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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:05 PM
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Another Enron figure found dead
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 01:10 PM by shance
Even as Houstonians prepare for today's memorial service for Ken Lay, British media reports the death of another man implicated in the scandal that won't leave the headlines. (At least the British headlines?)

The body of a man believed to be linked to a US probe into a financial scandal involving NatWest has been found close to his home.

Neil Coulbeck had gone missing from his home in Woodford Green, east London, on Thursday.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "The man had been interviewed by the FBI. We don't know how important to the investigtion he was but FBI sources suggest he was a pivotal character in the case."

Mr Coulbeck's body was discovered in Waltham Forest, east London. He was Head of Group Treasury at the Royal Bank of Scotland and is thought to have been a possible witness in the NatWest Three case.

The discovery comes as MPs debate the controversial decision to extradite three British bankers - dubbed the NatWest Three - to the US to face charges over the scandal. The men, who previously worked for NatWest, are accused of taking part in a multi-million pound fraud connected to the collapse of Enron.

All three - David Bermingham, Gary Mulgrew and Giles Darby - have denied any wrongdoing. They could spend up to two years in a high-security US prison awaiting trial unless they are granted bail.

The move to send them to Houston, Texas, is at the centre of a row over Britain's extradition agreement with the United States.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1227489,00.html

http://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2006/07/second-enron-figure-dead.html



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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:06 PM
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1. Wow. I'm almost ready to put this on:
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 01:06 PM by janesez
:tinfoilhat:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:12 PM
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4. I've had that on since the rolling blackouts were caused by the "market"
:tinfoilhat:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:55 PM
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25. Wouldn't that make three counting the guy who was found dead in his
car with weird suicide bullet patterns?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:07 PM
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2. What a coinky-dink....
dontcha think?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:08 PM
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3. Dead men tell no tales
oldest rule in the criminal's handbook.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:15 PM
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5. Sounds as if a lot of people all over the world may have shared in
the hard-won savings of the Enron employees who lost it all...

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:25 PM
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7. Sounds that way. I wonder if Ken Lay and Mr. Coulbeck would say it was
worth it now.

I doubt it.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:16 PM
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6. Next they need to find a certain "enron figure" alive n/t
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:27 PM
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8.  The Blue Pill or The Red Pill
Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes? :shrug:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:29 PM
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9. Pretty amazing isn't it?
n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:33 PM
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10. Neil Coulbeck - pivotal character?
Are the teachers' pensions sitting in Scotland?

Is this where slush funds being used to operate our shadow government reside? Slush funds of stolen money from Enron investors?

Or is the money on little islands, but masterminded from Scotland?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:34 PM
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11. Are the people of the UK as upset as I am about the involvement
of UK leaders in the dirty stuff going on around the world led by PNAC?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:45 PM
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14. I wonder if Enron does tie in with the PNAC.
It would not surprise me.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:42 PM
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13. "FBI sources suggest he was a pivotal character in the case."
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:39 PM
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12. They're going to start dropping like flies. If I were Skilling, I'd be
watching over my shoulder and staying off small airplanes. Anyone connected to the case with info should be VERY careful.:scared:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:17 PM
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19. There has to be at least one fall guy.. It might be Skilling
Kenny Boy, who we all know is a close friend and financial supporter of King Bush is having his favors returned as we speculate. It's easy to fake your own death if you're completely above the law and have the power to murder potential whistleblowers. The CMSM is in full compliance.

Take off the tinfoil hats folks. You don't need them. BushCo is operating exactly like the mafia would if they didn't have to worry about the law.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:29 PM
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21. How about a food taster or possibly
avoiding a walk in the park with a "friend".
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:03 PM
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28. Skilling probably needs to stay off of roller skates and bicycles
too!

If he had known that Lay was going to die or disappear, he could have blamed him for everything.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:54 PM
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15. Tieing up loose ends? (nt)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:21 PM
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26. Yep, If I were Fredo, I wouldn't go fishing with Al
is all I'm saying.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:57 PM
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16. Be careful about taking this story from Sky "news" without question.
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 02:04 PM by Up2Late
Sky "news" is part of the Rupert Murdoch's News Corp "news" conglomerate, which also includes Fox "news" and the NY Post.


Best to look for more sources.

He wasn't Blond, was he?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:03 PM
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18. Thanks for the warning. nt
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:57 PM
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17. This guy disappeared on the same day Ken Lay died.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 02:19 PM
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20. Funeralgate people ended up dead too
Just sayin'.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:54 PM
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22. and Merill makes three... hmmm
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:05 PM
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23. More black ops by Buffett and Gates!
:popcorn:
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:24 PM
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24. Who do you think was a partner in the "Raptor" Venture?
It has been my suspicion since the Enron ball of slime started to unravel that Bush, Rove and all the other high profile GOP Texas mafiosi were secret partners in the myriad of offshore ventures designed to steal money. Raptor and the other offshore funds still have not been explained fully and publicly. Maybe this guy is one of the last alive that could tie the House of Bush to the stolen Enron money.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:37 PM
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27. Enron is the Mother of all Bush scandals, only one he could go to jail for
if the whole truth was known. He, Cheney and Rove were part of the price gouging of California scheme. Half the stuff they did in their first term was to cover up for Enron. Gov. Arnold was for Enron. The timing of the Iraq Invasion was for Enron. Stealing the 2002 Senate for Enron.

There are a lot of useful links here in the Salon Enron thread. It goes all the way back to the beginning:

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?13@481.epCCaUzAQtR.73@.2cb828aa/9494
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 09:37 PM
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29. I wonder where Lay is living under some elite form of the
Federal witness protection program, ie a change of location and identity?

Did anyone reliable see and ID and report seeing the body?

Creepy.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 03:13 AM
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30. I saw a thing on MSNBC
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 03:15 AM by undergroundpanther
Talking about murder for hire schemes and how they bust them.
They showed how targets deaths were faked in photos as"proof" of a "hit" done in a sting operation.It was all poses and make up.

It does not surprise me one bit Ken lays death might be faked.
Call me tin foil but,The make up job looked very convincing.
And there are drugs that can lower pulse and body temp to mimic death. A rich well connected buddy boy of a crime family looking to dominate the world could pull it off.
I think too many people trust sociopaths in high places as if they thought like normal people.Sociopaths are cunning and evil and do not care and they love to get away with it.So they'll get more devious evil and creative more than the average public thinks they can .
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 03:52 PM
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31. Interesting.
I consider it well within the realm of possibility that his death may have been faked. Obviously we cannot prove it, nor can we disprove it.

I also heard someone say that unless someone sues his estate, now all his ill-gotten gains will be inherited by his beneficiaries.

No reason to connect that to trying to totally and permanently do away with the estate tax, huh?

What was the thing on MSNBC in reference to, if anything in particular?

This morning on the morning version of Countdown, K.O. compared Novak's explanation re the Plame outing to the French soccer player's explanation of his infamous head butt that got him kicked out of the final world cup soccer match.

Both being non-explanations.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 06:38 PM
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32. about how
murder for hire stings bust people trying to hire hit men to off people.Sometimes a person hiring a hit man would ask for photographic evidence the hitman did the job,a picture of the corpse..before the person hiring the hit man paid the money the hit man asks for.The sting is completed when money changes hands,
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