Bev Harris Deserves her day in Court

[Perky]

But for all the hype she created around e-voting, if she has bilked thousands of dollars from DU members by not only fleecing you for your hard earned cash, but for whipping up a frenzy regarding BBV (and perhaps making it appear a larger than appropriate)as part of an elaborate con, please pardon this irrevevant thought but :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

IF THIS IS TRUE.....I think this ought to give everynody some pause before they chase the next tin foil helmeted lemming off the cliff.

[Rex]

1. Class action lawsuit.

Are you saying BBV is a myth and that election fraud doesn't exist?

[Perky]

2. I am saying time shall tell.n/t

[Rex]

4. How will time tell? If no one takes BBV seriously then how will

we ever know? I think Bev was sincere in the beginning of her 'crusade' and then later (when she gained her 15 minutes of fame) sold out to the highest bidder.

[cynatnite]

6. If she's discredited at a later time...

that will make the claims she made about BBV questionable at best.

That's not to say what she said wasn't true. If she did break the law and bilk money for her own greed, she did a hell of a lot of harm to the issue of BBV.

[Rex]

10. Oh I agree, she did hugh damage to BBV by selling out.

However, Bev is just one small bit player nowadays in obvious election fraud. I think Ohio really made it clear as to the lengths the Republicans will go to to cheat and win an election.

[cynatnite]

12. I'm not sure if I would call her a bit player...

I do remember seeing her on the news and people were listening to her.

I'm not discounting all the other problems concerning Ohio and even if she is a mole hill, the republicans will gladly make her a mountain in an attempt to discredit the claims made.

It does concern me that when one person isn't above board, it does have a tendency to taint everything else around him or her. It gives the opponents and corporate media an opportunity to pounce.

[Kelvin Mace]

22. No, personally, I am saying that there is VERY STRONG

evidence that at best Bev has mismanaged the funds she raised, at worst she has committed fraud.

Election fraud exists, but Bev Harris is not the way to address the problem.

[DRoseDARs]

3. E-voting is a "non-issue" to you? eom

[Perky]

7. I did not say that.

but if Ms. Harris hyped it to make some money then I think the issue will need to be reassessed.

Seems pretty ludicrous to me that for all her expertise and all the connecting the dots she has done, that she is so apparently unskilled in the minutaue of the basic IRS regs. sort of begs some serikous question about her fact finding abilities.

[DRoseDARs]

14. You most certainly did and then like a chickenshit edited it out. n/t

[Perky]

16. Sorry I should have stated I edited for clairity.

This was in fact what I meant to say.

I meant to come back and clarify my intent and apologize for the way it must have read. but my two-year old took a tumblre down the stairs. and well she takes priority.

Anyway...no I did not mean to is a non-issue. b ut I am sure that is how it could have been read. What I want to reiterate is I hope we have not been oversold on the issues Ms. Harris raised as a means of bilking DUers.

[DRoseDARs]

19. Thank you for making yourself more clear. n/t

[acmejack]

5. I fail to see the humor in any of your irreverent thoughts.

If you think Blackbox voting is not an issue after all we know now, I think you have your head, er, in the sand. I don't see anything funny about someone taking a very serious issue and using it to scam hundreds, perhaps thousands of concerned citizens, but perhaps I just don't have that bubbly sense of humor you obviously are blessed with.

[bryant69]

8. What non-issue are you talking about?

Just out of curiosity.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[DRoseDARs]

15. The one he edited out when he realised his true colors were showing. n/t

[DRoseDARs]

18. Poster corrected themself; nevermind. n/t

[mdmc]

9. i disagree

I think that black box voting IS an issue.

[Kelvin Mace]

23. E-voting is an issue

Bev Harris is not e-voting, though she would beg to differ.

[Cleita]

11. The E-voting issue is real.

Bobby Kennedy, Jr. and Mike Pappantonio, hardly tinfoil hat types, are filing a lawsuit about this. I heard Mike saying on the air yesterday that Katherine Harris will be one of the witnesses to be subpoenaed. These guys are well known lawyers and if they think there is a case here, there probably is a case. Also, Mike was quite critical of the two parties for not investigating this issue as they should.

Also, I was here at DU when a bunch of DUers put together the first evidence that the election was rigged in 2000. It was months later that Bev Harris decided to be the white knight and to make the issue her life's work. Many DUers joined her in the her effort, but little did they know that she was in it for her own personal enrichment. She has no problem taking credit for everyone else's work.

I do hope Bev Harris gets her day in court and there are many witnesses who will be willing to testify about what she did to screw them.

[BeFree]

13. It turned out pretty well...

...if the movement had just BH as the head of the movement, many others may have never motivated themselves to action.

Too, if there was just one head, the forces opposed could have easily crushed the movement by crushing that one leader.

As it is, it has turned into a real grassroots movement.

BH may have harmed the movement a bit, but it is growing daily.

[EFerrari]

17. Are you sure it wasn't you that took the tumble?

This post makes zero sense to me.

That grifter deserves her day in court. Okay.

And?

:shrug:

[Kelvin Mace]

24. I think she is saying that if Bev did this

she deserves to held accountable in court.

It was a little confusing to me as well.

[Fredda Weinberg]

20. I can tell you this ... there's never been evidence of deliberate fraud

Bev Harris turned to me first when she found out about the Diebold code - I examined every line and found nothing nefarious ... just many common mistakes and vulnerabilities. Many DUers followed her lead and attacked me for pointing out that fact - and I stayed away from this forum for years waiting for sanity to return.

Yes the issue's serious and yes, she set it back - but professionals continue to work in this area. Unfortunately, many of them are reaching conclusions DUers reject.

[Kelvin Mace]

21. At this particular point in time

there are questions that Bev must answer about her 990 filing (a fiing which came as news to the IRS).

If these questions are not anwsered shortly, we need to ask the admins to ban all links to her site. Du cannot condone people who are not financially responsible using DU to raise money.