Over 200% turnout rates in AK precincts in 2004 impossible Diebold

[helderheid]

Over 200% turnout rates in AK precincts in 2004 impossible Diebold
vote counts and AK Republicans still refusing to allow an
investigation, even after Diebold publicly gave permission to public
release of the data. What is the AK state Republican administration
hiding? The answer seems obvious.

"ALASKA REFUSES — AGAIN — TO RELEASE 2004 ELECTION DATA!"
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3111&print=1
Brad Blog - USA
. his official total was only 190,889." The Democrats asked for
election data from ... released would be proprietary and would belong
to Diebold Elections Systems Inc ...

[Drum]

1. kick!

:kick:

[blm]

2. Popular vote was padded all over the country to manipulate media.

.

[SoCalDem]

28. 341,000,000 = 110K "extra" votes x 31 states "won"

That's all it took to "justify" the mandate.. Of course, in smaller states there were probably less than 110k, but in states like Texas and Florida those were easily made up..

[Toots]

3. All I can say is Oregon never has problems like this

Why people here oppose Vote by Mail is completely beyond me. Paper ballots overseen by election judges made up of all parties. Not just numbers in a machine that can be manipulated at will. Figure it out DU the GOP did years and years ago...Why do you think they mail out absentee ballots to all their voters?

[helderheid]

4. Yep. I agree. Though a step further, would like those paper ballots

counted by hand.

[City Lights]

62. Are the paper ballots counted by hand?

If so, I'm all for it.

Some states still count their absentee ballots by machine, then send their totals to a central tabulator, which can be manipulated.

[fasttense]

5. A common symptom of a rigged election

is precincts with abnormally high turnout rates. Anyone who followed the Ukraine rigged elections knows about these bizarre statistics. Unfortunately, in the US we don't believe in rigged elections like we don't believe in global warming or evolution. It's happening anyway but the majority of US citizens prefer to pretend otherwise.

[CrispyQ]

32. "Just get over it!"

This is what my rw mother told my sister & me when we discussed election fraud. Last time I finally couldn't take it anymore. I asked dear mother exactly what she knew about the issue. Turns out she doesn't know a damned thing, but, "I know the election wasn't stolen!" I asked her why we have to wait until there is irrefutable evidence of a stolen election before we address election irregularities & voter disenfranchisement. She asked me to provide her with articles showing what I meant, so I sent her a book's worth of articles & commentaries. Surprisingly, I think she is starting to come around -- she doesn't think the election was stolen, but she has expressed dismay at some of the dirty tricks that have been going on across the country.

Honestly, I never thought I'd see the day. :eyes:

[Maraya1969]

50. I think my mom might see the light of day soon too. I sent her John

Dean's book, "Conservatives without conscience" and she sent me an email and thanked me and said she liked Dean. I am waiting her on pins and needles for another email or her call. She said the same thing about the elections and is a typical authoritarian follower.

Best of luck to all of us and to America! :toast:

[CrispyQ]

65. Have you read that book?

I read "Worse Than Watergate" & it was great. I tried to get my mother to read it - this was back in Jan '05 or so. She laughed & called Dean a traitor. I think she would be receptive today. ?? I hope your mom starts to see the light. It would be a stunning poll to ask how many people have had shaky relationships or worse since the dimson came to office. We'll never see that on CNN. ;)

:hi:

[karlrschneider]

6. kickety

:kick:

[enough]

7. Another unbelievably believable story from Bradblog.

Thanks.

[Bridget Dooley]

8. Do they have same day registration?

I do not at all doubt that the Diebold machines were rigged, don't get me wrong. But if AK has same-day registration, couldn't that throw off the turnout rate?

[spinbaby]

9. Might throw them off a bit

But not to point of a 200% turnout rate.

[roguevalley]

16. I don't believe we do. You have to be registered by now to get

into the primary voting. I believe it is a month before elections for the cut off. Loren Lehman, R-Satan, is not running for either governator or lt. gov this year. Makes you wonder why, eh? His ambitions for himself are seething but he stepped away. Rotten crap head. He oversees the elections.

[helderheid]

17. well that makes this even stinkier (though not much)

[Blue_In_AK]

39. We don't have same-day registration...

You have to register well in advance.

[ThomCat]

10. Refusing to allow an investigation is an admission

of guilt! They are admitting that they know there was fraud and they know it was in their own favor!

[petgoat]

53. "Refusing to allow an investigation is an admission of guilt"

Hmmm, does that sound like any Pearl-Harbor-like events
you might think of? Like some that maybe changed the world
so there was no going back? That maybe justified pre-emptive
invasions, destruction of contitutional rights, torture,
wiretapping, all that jazz?

[garybeck]

11. HERE IS A great radio interview all about this >>>>>>

Kay Brown, representative from the Democratic Party of Alaska and Brad Friedman discuss the situation there, where election officials will not release election results to the Democratic Party. Inteview was broadcast on Young Turks.

http://ia300140.us.archive.org/2/items/election2004-video-CD/bradfriedman-youngturks-060228-kaybrown.mp3

[helderheid]

14. thank you garybeck!

[Javaman]

12. I vote with my left and right hand. See there's the 200%...

Fucking crooked mother fuckers.

[helderheid]

18. hehehe - yea, padding the vote is "hard work"

[progressoid]

13. Gee, I heard all about this on CNN and FOX

NOT!

[helderheid]

15. LOL!

[mom cat]

19. Why aren't the Dems screaming their heads off?

[Roland99]

20. Heck, you'd think even some Republicans would be up in arms about it!

[Raster]

33. You would think A LOT OF PEOPLE would be up in arms about the blatant

electoral fraud RAMPANT IN THIS COUNTRY. I have maintained for years, and will scream this at the top of my lungs until my dying day, that Congress could have fixed the election mess YEARS AGO if they had the will and/or inclination. But they don't. Two different parties, same feeding trough. Government and its lobbyists and various other influence peddlers are big money. And EVERYONE--save for a precious few--on the hill is getting fat and happy. Our elected representatives don't serve us, the citizens of this great country. They serve themselves and their corporate masters.

[Nestor Mahkno]

21. It's like pleading the Fifth

Refusing to release the election data is tantamount to an admission of guilt. They don't want to incriminate themselves.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

22. proprietary? PROPRIETARY?

Public records are now proprietary?
I want a look at that contract between the State and Diebolical.

I served on a committee in Chicago which analyzed the effort to "sell" all court records to Ameritech which would sell them at a profit to the parties, attorneys, etc. Wrote the report. Scathing, if I do say so myself. The contract Ameritech proposed, I'd bet, is pretty close to what Ameritech proposed. (hint, we win, you lose. . . oh, and indemnify us, too)

[Joe Chi Minh]

23. You pesky sniffer dawgs jist won't give up, will ya! Stop sniffing

their private, nay, their patented parts....

[p12psicop]

24. this sucks

I sent the transcript to Lou Dobbs, we'll see if he'll report on it. Diebold needs to be exposed.

[helderheid]

27. hey you... yes YOU!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Thank you for sending that to Lou Dobbs!

[p12psicop]

54. Lou Dobbs did in fact do a story about Diebold machines

Tonight on Lou Dobbs they did a story about Diebold e-voting machines in Maryland and concerns about security.

[helderheid]

66. excellent!

[Joe Chi Minh]

61. Yes, indeedy. Sorry I'm late with my reply, but family health

problems mean I'm trying to multitask; and as a bloke who cooks each item, eats it, then cooks the next one - you know, first the spuds, scoff, scoff, then the peas, scoff, scoff, etc., it's easy to get side-tracked over lesser matters than our DU affairs of state....

[tired of the right]

25. "released would be proprietary and would belong to Diebold Elections Syst"

aka the Republican Party.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

35. And we all know Diebold has no dog in this hunt... um, yeah...

[robbedvoter]

26. Finally! Those aliens were found! Kerry was leading with men&women

so, I always said it must've been aliens who changed things for W!

[valerief]

29. Just another day in CorruptionWorld. But save the babies! Save the babies!

Well, I'm off to buy another Support the Troops car magnetic to put on my oversized SUV. And to pick up my meds.

La la la la. I'm a crazy Republican. La la la la. Bush will save us. He's tough. China is big. La la la la.

Tinfoil tinfoil, tinfoil. Wonder what Rush has to say today. He's a smart man. La la la la. I'm nuttier than a walnut tree. I'm a crazy Republican.

[Jim Warren]

34. and

I'm going down the toilet and I'm bringing as many with me as I can lalala :dunce:

[agincourt]

30. Undeniable smoking gun of election fraud,

Would not surprise me if the repigs added millions to their total. Where is our law enforcement? No where to be found.

[pnorman]

31. Here's a more clear-cut presentation of this issue:

Alaska: Democrats File Lawsuit To Get 2004 Election Records PDF Print Email
By Kay Brown, Alaska Democratic Party
April 18, 2006

The Alaska Democratic Party filed suit in Superior Court today seeking to force the Division of Elections to release public records needed to verify the 2004 election results.

"We are asking the court to release these public records so that the people of Alaska can be assured that their votes were counted correctly," said Alaska Democratic Party Chair Jake Metcalfe (pictured at right). "The Division of Elections' numbers do not add up. The Division has refused to release the public records that would allow us to verify the results. All we ask is that the Lt. Governor and the Director of Elections follow the law and meet their obligation to Alaskans so every one knows why these numbers don't add up."

The Alaska Democratic Party has been trying since last year to get the public records of the election in order to find out why there are numerous errors and discrepancies in the state’s reported results of the 2004 general election. The Division of Elections’ latest excuse for refusing to release the election information is that it would create “security risks."

"Nothing we have asked for compromises security," Metcalfe said. ""Why is the Division of Elections is so reluctant to provide these public records? What are they trying to hide?"

According to the Division of Elections' vote reports that were produced by the state's Diebold computer system and are posted on the Division's official web site, a far larger number of votes were cast than the official totals reported in the statewide summary. In the case of President George Bush’s votes, the district-by-district totals add up to 292,267, but his official total was only 190,889, a difference of 101,378 votes. In the U.S. Senate race, Lisa Murkowski received 226,992 votes in the district-by-district totals, but her official total was only 149,446, a difference of 77,546 votes.

In 20 of the 40 State House Districts, more ballots were cast than there are registered voters in the district, according to information on the state's web site. In 16 election districts, the voter turnout percentage shown is over 200%.
>
>

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1204&Itemid=113

That's April of this year, rather than today. But it's still a clearly defined focus for attention.

pnorman

[worldgonekrazy]

43. That is an EXCELLENT article

Sums up the issue in a clear and accurate manner. The issue is the central tabulator file. The Alaska Democratic Party wants it and the State says they can't give it up because it will compromise the security of the election system. They've offered to give it in a different form, but there is no guaranteeing its authenticity in alternative forms.

[pnorman]

49. Thanks.

I hate to get too judgemental of outfits that are "on our side", but I sometimes find Brad Blog INFURIATING! My judgement is based mainly on whether or not I can use it to to "bring over" a skeptic. Brad Blog's layout and style just wouldn't do it. I'd end up having to argue a dozen more points. But there was enough hard data there to let me Google to a better source for the purpose

pnorman.

[Mugsy]

36. Further evidence "vote security" more important than the war!

It drives me nuts when I get emails from organizations that all think THEIR issue is THE most important: oppose the war; impeach Bush; defeat this nomination...

But when elections can be stolen SO OPENLY without the MSM even blinking, no other issue means a damn thing so long as elections can be stolen and those with their own agenda can do anything with impunity.

:banghead:

[dkblogger]

60. I say the exact same thing !

Whatever the issue is and there are too many to count.... none
of it would even be happening if there had been a fair
election in 2000. Much could have been prevented had 2004 been
fair. The MSM should be sued for covering up and excusing the
fraud they certainly know is going on. Nov is so close and
it's still being brushed off as Dems being sore losers. And
don't even get me going on why polls count everywhere but in
America ! Is even one Dem asking why this is?

[intheflow]

37. K&R'd.

Thank you so much for posting this. :kick:

[Blue_In_AK]

38. Thank you for posting this...

We've been wondering what the status of this situation was...FUBAR, it seems. One thing is for sure, if Frank Murkowski ends up winning the Republican primary here next month, there will be an uprising in that party, as well, as he is universally hated here by both Democrats AND Republicans. It would almost be worth having him "win" the primary just to watch the fireworks.

[dkblogger]

57. What fireworks ? In Iowa primary 9 Reps lost, but got a count ,

 (lucky them!) and turns out all nine had won ! Wonder if the
nine were neocon approved ?  As for Alaska wanting to see the
voting data, one of the reasons they were refused was
"national security" Don't remember if this was said
by Diebold or the state. Brad Blog covers all this. 

[Blue_In_AK]

64. Press release from the Alaska Democratic Party...

Anchorage – The State of Alaska’s argument that release of election records would jeopardize security and adversely impact upcoming elections is without merit, the Alaska Democratic Party said in court papers filed this week.

Whether the database containing the results of Alaska’s 2004 elections should be released to the public under Alaska’s public records law is the subject of a lawsuit filed by the Alaska Democratic Party in State Superior Court after the Division of Elections refused to release the database.

Superior Court Judge Stephanie Joannides will hold a scheduling conference at 4 pm, Wednesday, August 2, at which time she is expected to set a date for a hearing in the case.

The Alaska Democratic Party has been trying since last year to get the public records about the 2004 general election results in order to find out why there are numerous errors and discrepancies in the state’s reported results. The Division of Elections’ latest excuses for refusing to release the election information are that security risks would jeopardize the Division of Elections' ability to carry out the upcoming Primary and General Elections, and that the Party’s request came too late.

In papers filed last week in the court suit, the State said release of the electronic database that contains the 2004 votes "will jeopardize the security of the division of elections' computer system, and the division's administration of the upcoming Primary and General Elections." The information the Democrats seek "is not a public record," the State said, because it is covered under a security exemption to the public records act.

In papers filed in reply, the Democratic Party said that that the voter records it seeks are public records that have nothing to do with a security exception in the public records law passed after 9/11. The Democratic Party said there is no security issue with releasing the database because its structure is already available on the Internet, and it is not requesting the passwords or secret phone numbers.

"Nothing we have asked for compromises security," said Alaska Democratic Party Chair Jake Metcalfe. "We are asking the court to release these public records so that the people of Alaska can be assured that their votes were counted correctly. The Division of Elections says that all the errors have been explained, and we should just trust them, but the fact remains that the numbers posted on division's web site do not add up. We still don’t know how many votes each candidate got in each House district, and there is no way to reconcile the Division’s official summary results with their district-by-district tallies."

The database should be released because citizens have a right to see the voting results, Metcalfe said. "Public access to the electronic voting records is fundamental to democracy and to ensure public confidence in the election results," he said.

According to the Division of Elections' vote reports that were produced by the state's Diebold computer system and are posted on the Division's official web site, a far larger number of votes were cast than the official totals reported in the statewide summary. In the case of President George Bush’s votes, the district-by-district totals add up to 292,267, but his official total was only 190,889, a difference of 101,378 votes. In the U.S. Senate race, Lisa Murkowski received 226,992 votes in the district-by-district totals, but her official total was only 149,446, a difference of 77,546 votes.

In 20 of the 40 State House Districts, more ballots were cast than there are registered voters in the district, according to information on the state's web site. In 16 election districts, the voter turnout percentage shown is over 200%.

The Alaska Democratic Party filed a formal public records request on Dec. 19, 2005, seeking the "central tabulator data file" taken from the Diebold-supplied computer used to run the "GEMS" (Global Election Management Software) application. This is the electronic file containing all final vote tallies for the 2004 General Election.

Under the public records regulations, the Division was supposed to release the data file on Jan. 4. On Jan. 4 the Division extended the deadline until Jan. 19.

In a Jan. 19 letter, the Division asserted that the file was proprietary information belonging to its contractor, Diebold Elections Systems.

In a Feb. 3 letter, the Division advised the Democrats that Diebold had agreed to waive its proprietary rights to the GEMS database files, and said that the records would be provided if it determined that the integrity of the election system could be protected. In the Feb. 3 letter the Division asked for an additional 10-day extension until Feb. 13, and the Democrats agreed. On Feb. 13, the Division again extended the deadline to Feb. 27. In a letter dated Feb. 22, the Division denied the Democrats' public records request, citing "security risks." On April 18, the Democratic Party filed its lawsuit in Superior Court seeking release of the records.

[Botany]

40. Just like Wyoming's 106% voter turn out .... this was not just Ohio

The Creation of Democracy

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
Diebold got cremated by Democracy.

Now Democracy was from Tennessee, where the cotton blooms and blows.
Why it left home in the South to roam ’round the Pole, God only knows.
He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell;
Though he'd often say in his homely way that "he'd sooner live in hell."

On an election Day we were mushing our way over the Dawson trail.
Talk of your cold! through the parka's fold it stabbed like a driven nail.
If our eyes we'd close, then the lashes froze till sometimes we couldn't see;
It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Democracy.

And that very night, as we lay packed tight in our robes beneath the snow,
And the dogs were fed, and the stars o'erhead were dancing heel and toe,
He turned to me, and "Cap," says he, "I'll cash in this trip, I guess;
And if I do, I'm asking that you won't refuse my last request."

Well, he seemed so low that I couldn't say no; then he says with a sort of moan:
"It's the stealing votes cold, and it's got right hold, till I'm chilled clean through to the bone.
Yet ’tain’t being dead ? it's my awful dread of the icy grave that pain;
So I want you to swear that, foul or fair, you'll count all the votes
that remain."

A pal's last need is a thing to heed, so I swore I would not fail;
And we started on at the streak of dawn; but God! he looked ghastly pale.
He crouched on the sleigh, and he raved all day of his home in Tennessee;
And before nightfall a corpse was all that was left of Democracy.

There wasn't a breath in that land of Democracy's death, and I hurried, horror-driven,
With a corpse half hid that I couldn't get rid, because of a promise given;
It was lashed to the sleigh, and it seemed to say: "You may tax your brawn and brains,
But you promised true, and it's up to you, to count the vote that remains."

Now a promise made is a debt unpaid, and the trail has its own stern code.
In the days to come, though my lips were dumb, in my heart how I cursed that load.
In the long, long night, by the lone firelight, while the huskies, round in a ring,
Howled out their woes to the homeless snows ? Oh God! how I loathed the thing.

And every day that quiet clay seemed to heavy and heavier grow;
And on I went, though the dogs were spent and the grub was getting low;
The trail was bad, and I felt half mad, but I swore I would not give in;
And I'd often sing to the hateful thing, and it hearkened with a grin.

Till I came to the marge of Lake Lebarge, and a derelict there lay;
It was jammed in the ice, but I saw in a trice it was called the "Count
the ballots and make the devil pay.
And I looked at it, and I thought a bit, and I looked at my frozen chum;
Then "Here," said I, with a sudden cry, "is my voting counting
home …. my duty i will not shun."

Some data I tore from the republican whores, and I lit the Democracy's fire;
Some ballots I found that was lying around, and I heaped the data higher;
The numbers just soared, and my P.C. roared ? such a spread sheet
you seldom see;
And in the glow, the truth did like a mighty wind blow and out popped Democracy.

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
Diebold got cremated by Democracy.

big ups to Robert Service, Brad Blog, and those in Alaska
who will not back down we in Ohio know the score.

[DallasNE]

41. Bush v. Gore II

Run out the clock. Now just how original is that?

Data processing is my business and the State of Alaska is completely full of shit when they claim that providing this data would somehow compromise the primary election.

First of all they should have some kind of redundant capacity they could load the 2004 programs and data files into. We call this a development system and a production system. There is no overlap. Second, I cannot imagine how it would take more than two days to provide the data requested. The files are small, less than 300,000 votes. I am used to files with 250,000,000 records and run times of just over 1 hour. Even if their computer has fewer MIPS it still should not take very long to process everything. Every one of the claims are totally bogus. Period.

[worldgonekrazy]

44. Would you PM me?

I tried to PM you to ask follow up questions, but you have that option off.

[DallasNE]

47. I'm Pretty New On This Site

What does PM mean and can you step me through the process. I did add your name to my buddy list. Is that the same thing?

[worldgonekrazy]

48. Click on the mail icon next to my name

And maybe you could change your settings under "Options" at the top of the screen to allow PMs.

[oldlady]

42. Alaska could quote Ohio...

from "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast, pg. 229 (chapter: The Con)

"..Fitrakis and Wasserman thought they should actually get these basic documents that backed up the touch-screen tallies. As was their right under the states' freedom of Information Law. They petitioned officials in the state to produce their voting-machine backup logs. The first reply was none too comforting:

'The backup tapes have been destroyed so as not to conflict with the official tally and create confusion.' "

really....

[worldgonekrazy]

45. From the State's website:

Voter Turnout for Municipality of Anchorage Precincts

In House Districts 16 – 32 some precincts show more than 100 percent voter turnout. This is because the State of Alaska conducted a special election for the Municipality of Anchorage concurrently with the 2004 General Election. In these districts, there were two ballots, a State ballot and a Municipality ballot. The % Turnout is based on the Cards Cast number. Because each voter could have cast two ballots the turnout in these districts is inflated. In these districts look at the Times Counted number for the US Presidential race to determine the actual number of State ballots cast in each precinct. This number, divided by the number of registered voters will yield the turnout for the precinct:

Early Voting Results

In each district there is a row entitled R# Early Voting. This presents the early voting results for each of the state’s four regions. The results are shown for entire regions, not for individual districts. Because the early voting results are for the entire region, the same regional numbers are repeated in each district. For example, Region 1 contains House Districts 1-5 and 33-36. The same early voting results are presented on the R1 Early Voting row in all districts in Region 1. Although the results are listed multiple times, they were not counted more than once. These results were reported only once in the statewide summary, which accurately presents the results for each race.

http://www.ltgov.state.ak.us/elections/04genr/index.shtml

[Botany]

46. But why will they not release the data?

If the reason the # is high then the data will not bother the facts.

[Imagevision]

51. I'm concerned over a wide range of irregularities in 06 elections - what

other choice does the GOP have??!! Diebold amazingly simply pulls off voting glitches and always seems to just waltz away from accusations?? -- As Bush boasts about spreading freedom and democracy crap elsewhere on the planet!

[Quantess]

52. Kicked & Recommended

[onthebench]

55. This is not a partisan issue

It affects both parties. It happens because of totally incompetent people that run elections. This happened in Chicago, Lousiana, and Alaska many times before. At one point Alaska had more people registered to vote than their entire population! (including children!). It must be one of the tubes that are clogged on Ted Stevens internet. Maybe this is why he needs a bridge to nowhere so he can find some more voters on an island.

[hedgehog]

58. Ever wonder how Alaska could elect someone as ignorant as Stevens?

now we know; maybe they never did!

[The Wizard]

56. a solution

We could have saved untold dollars and consternation if we purchased
paper ballots and a shit load of cheap pens. The new voting machines
are destined to be part of a reef off the Atlantic shelf before they
even get dusty. Someone ought to be tied to a pole in the town square
and horse whipped over this abuse of the taxpayer's resources.
Stealing by any other name is still stealing.

[dkblogger]

59. Mass e-mails to Lou Dobbs on Alaska's being refused.

Lou is covering the E-voting situation a lot. I keep sending
him Brad Blog stories on Alaska in hopes that he'ed zero in on
why they won't allow the 2004 data to be seen. One reason
given by either the state or Diebold was "national
security" If you can believe that one.

[Blue_Tires]

63. well obviously bradblog hates america!

:sarcasm: