Israelis being played as much as us by neocon game

[yurbud]

While the Israeli leaders probably know exactly what they are doing, the average Israeli, like the average American, probably believes his government is trying to look out for him.

The sad thing is, once all the oil is gone, the business interests driving our policy in the region won't need Israel as our 'bad cop' anymore, withdraw our love and most of our military support apart from what Israel can actually pay for, and they will be left alone to face animosity they have generated on a biblical scale with their neighbors.

In fact, it is likely these business guys will do exactly to Israel what they have done to other allies they no longer need like Saddam, Noriega, or even France: they will suddenly notice all Israel's sins and make them a scapegoat for our decades of abuse of Arab countries.

I have been critical of Israel on this board, especially recently, but it is in part because I see this down the road. You can't beat your neighbors with a stick you won't always have.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I think the neocons have had this planned for a while

and the animosity the whole ME conflict has generated between liberals is just an added side benefit. I wonder not what will happen to Israel when the oil totally runs out, but what happens when the oil rich Muslim states no longer have financial ties to a weakened and impotant US.

[yurbud]

4. since we provide arms to all sides, they will all be reduced to throwing

rocks at each other.

[Sinti]

2. This is precisely what I have been thinking - and I worry a lot

There's a possibility, as history would indicate, that when Israel is no longer useful to the neocons, when they control Iran, Syria, and the other oil producing nations (as per The Grand Chessboard) Israel will then be placed firmly in the position of "who's to blame for this mess." Fingers will point, it's the (insert epithet of choice) Israelis who started it, and her no so friendly neighbors will fall on her like hyenas on a forgotten corpse and no one will come to save her. I worry a great deal about this. They should pay more attention to their history books.

[NNN0LHI]

3. Bush always seemed tighter with "Bandar Bush" and the Saudis to me n/t

[mom cat]

5. Excellent point. I have been thinking the same thing myself, as

have some of my Jewish friends, who know the depths of real anti-semitism in the Christo-facist. The US is using Isreal and AIPAC is using the US. The real support for Isreal in the US is pretty thin and could snap quickly. It has occurred to me more than once that the US will abandon Israel if it ever gains control over Iraq.

[yurbud]

6. won't blame until we no longer need AT ALL

it will take at least a decade or more to suck all the oil out.

[mom cat]

7. By then, the hatred for Israel will be beyond belief. That is if global

warming has not wiped us all out by then.

[yurbud]

10. Israel is on the coast...how high above sea level?

[yurbud]

11. reminds me: Israel could get more land the way Netherlands did

steal it from the sea.

[mom cat]

15. Gaza will go first.

:cry:

[SammyBlue]

8. This I can agree with. Bush's fake love for Israel

is more for developing Israel into a middle east fort to use Israelis in his hegemonic, imperialistic conquests in the ME.

Israel is being played by the neo-cons.

[burythehatchet]

9. of course they are

the neo-cons took over the Israeli gov't as much as they took over the US government. All you have to look at is the inter-governmental revolving door. Who's doing the revolving? Why its the neo-cons that we all know and love!!

[yurbud]

12. yep. As an extension of the 'whose the dog whose the tail' debate

You could maybe fool one or two presidents, but you couldn't get successive presidents since Truman with possible exception of Eisenhower falling for the same shtick.

We wouldn't keep backing Israel if some rich people didn't think it was to their advantage.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. The U.S. IS using Israel, BUT Israel KNOWS they are being used.

They aren't stupid people. They KNOW why the Christians have embraced them...for their Rapture" and just don't care because THEIR (the Jewish people) beliefs are different. They think the RW nut jobs like Falwell and Robertson are FOOLS. Hopefully, with this insight, Israel has prepared its country for when they are abandoned and they WILL BE abandoned by the good old USA.:(

[yurbud]

14. I just read some of Mersheimer and Walt and they reminded that...

Israel won their first couple of wars before they got our massive military aid, so they will be able to defend themselves in any case.

But they might not be able to act with the kind of inpunity we are currently seeing.

[Rex]

16. Neocons run both countries.

Both own the radio stations and tv stations. Both want war and care nothing about the people who die as 'collateral damage'. If someone dies, then they become political capital. Problem is, Hezbollah has no problems sending wave upon wave of suicide bombers and rockets. In other words, they are more then happy to oblige death and destruction. :(