Gems in the basement

[BelgianMadCow]

Occasionally, you will have a look in your basement and find some long forgotten treasure.

Similarly, I am advocating people have a look in the DU basement, as one particular topic forum is called.

Please give this a rec if you think the basement should be explored, like, NOW or in the future.

[tridim]

1. K&R - Sometimes truth is only available in the basement

Sadly.

[Suich]

2. What???

:shrug:

[BelgianMadCow]

4. I know

my pointer is phrased very carefully so that it fits within Admin policy.

I take it you do not know which Topic Forum I meant - I'll PM you if you want.

[Suich]

5. Yes, please!

[BelgianMadCow]

6. done

[Nutmegger]

3. K and R [nt]

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. kick! good idea

people should check the basement... I found hidden treasure there once.

[BelgianMadCow]

8. You must have looked in my basement then :-)

Once, my parents put my favourite toy in the basement.
I have to admit at first I was mystified, and then I kinda forgot about it as there were always new toys to play with, and this toy I obviously had seen a lot.
My parents also told me it was a dangerous toy and I should quit whining about it not being there.

But's it's still there and still my favourite toy. And I still don't see the danger of it.
I just had given up on convincing my parents there was still room on the ground floor.

[Cobalt Violet]

9. K & R.

:kick:

[BelgianMadCow]

10. that was beautiful

and great timing too.

Sometimes, things can get sucked down into your basement almost without a whisper.

[Cobalt Violet]

11. Thanks.

Just intuition.

[laruemtt]

12. K&R.

strange it's relegated to the basement since, when it is brought to light, it is the one thing that could bring down the *cabal in a minute.

[BelgianMadCow]

14. Here is the part of the rules I guess is relevant

"Posts about so-called "conspiracy theories" are not permitted on Democratic Underground, except in the September 11 forum."

That's pretty clear-cut.

It also means the Plame discussions going on in GD are not considered a conspiracy theory.

Let me be clear, neither my OP nor this post was about any other conspiracy theory. Just about exploration of the basement.

On edit : I am bringing up the rules so people are aware of them.

[FogerRox]

45. SO right

[ima_sinnic]

13. what are you talking about?

is this just for "insiders"? (I've only been around here for 4 years--is that long enough? sheesh.)

[greyl]

15. Please don't neglect to arm yourself first.

www.911myths.com
www.debunking911.com

[rman]

16. By all means, arm yourself one-sidedly

:eyes:

[greyl]

18. I didn't tell people not to go into the basement, did I?

Goddammit, the fear of critical thought and the power of knowledge is frustrating.
You know damn well that the basement has plenty of falsehoods in it.

[BelgianMadCow]

20. people, people keep the flamethrowers for the basement :-)

no one can be hurt by something they read.
Only by something you do not read and digest appropriately.

[rman]

23. Some have an interest

in enflaming threads like this in GD.

[BelgianMadCow]

24. Some may - but it takes two

[rman]

21. nor did you tell people to eat apples

I trust people's ability to think critically without me or anyone guiding them.

[greyl]

30. oh brother.

My links don't give one side. They present the "myth" side first, then present evidence that sheds light on the myths. Like Snopes does.

[rman]

32. Starting with the presumption that it's myth

How very unbiased

[greyl]

34. Totally incorrect.

I used to believe a missile hit the pentagon, remember?
I've educated myself since then.

[rman]

35. Doesn't prove it either way

Others have educated themselves and have come to different conclusions than you.

[greyl]

36. I'm not trying to prove "it" in this thread.

Whatever the hell "it" is.
I only suggested that people arm themselves before going to the basement.
You seem to be against that idea for some reason. No shock.

[rman]

38. I'm against arming people with biased information

Plenty of sources of all kinds can be found in the basement, people can figure it out for themselves.

[greyl]

39. You'll probably agree that there isn't much balance there.

Especially in the last 14 hours.

[BelgianMadCow]

17. I catch your drift

but also hope your links don't get the thread closed. Will you consider an edit?

[greyl]

19. My links don't go to so called conspiracy sites.

No, I will not edit my post.
Why are you trying to censor me? ;)

[BelgianMadCow]

22. OK then ;-)

I hope you're right!

on edit : and if not, I imagine admins will close only the subthread.

[greyl]

26. Ummm, right.

Your thread is trying to sneak past the intended function of the rules, isn't it?
I don't think the admins or mods are stupid.

[BelgianMadCow]

27. Sneak? No. Just stay within the rules while showing people places to go

I am merely pointing out a part of the forum that people may want to visit - like a pointer, or a penlight.

And I don't think the mods are stupid either. :-)

[greyl]

28. I'll withhold final judgement for now. However,

your post #8 isn't as cryptic as you intended it to be, imo.

Once, my parents put my favourite toy in the basement.
I have to admit at first I was mystified, and then I kinda forgot about it as there were always new toys to play with, and this toy I obviously had seen a lot.
My parents also told me it was a dangerous toy and I should quit whining about it not being there.

But's it's still there and still my favourite toy. And I still don't see the danger of it.
I just had given up on convincing my parents there was still room on the ground floor.

It's a pretty clear gripe about the rules and admins.

[malaise]

25. I sent email to family, friends and

colleagues about the CSPan program last night. Most of them are in shock after watching. Just a few had an idea of the real fear in the US today.
At the end of the program my better half hugged me and said he remembered my comment on that day that what we were seeing and hearing was not what happened and that one day the truth will out. I read and watched everything available since. The world was duped big time.

[Kailassa]

31. Seeing the truth takes courage.

I'm glad your "better half" understands now.

:grouphug:

[Kailassa]

29. Exploring basements is always fun.

I met a wonderful family and one showed me their basement. It was full of historical relics, and we were able to learn so much about recent history as we examined them.

However we also discovered a team of pit-bulls there, trained to protect these treasures from sight. They attacked in pairs, and barked ferociously. But, after initially running in terror, we learned that they had no teeth, and were only clockwork facsimiles; mindless robots that were set onto all intruders by some unknown observer.

Initially, the things learned, combined with the snarls of wind-up doggies, may be upsetting. But persist, It is important we all glimpse the hidden underneath of things, and help each other come to terms with it.

[rman]

33. :-)

:toast:

[HamdenRice]

37. Sadly, if you had said "dungeon" more people would understand nt

[BelgianMadCow]

42. point well taken

I had seen mostly "basement" references - but got quite a bit of puzzled PM's.

:-)

[seemslikeadream]

40. So close your eyes, stop your ears, Shut your mouth and never dare

Early every year the seeds are growing
Unseen, unheard they lie beneath the ground
Would you know before their leaves are showing
That with weeds all your garden will abound?

If you close your eyes, stop your ears
Shut your mouth then how can you know ?
For seeds you cannot hear may not be there
Seeds you cannot see may never grow

In January you've still got the choice
You can cut the weeds before they start to bud
If you leave them to grow high they'll silence your voice
And in December you may pay with your blood

So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Shut your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Every day another vulture takes flight
There's another danger born every morning
In the darkness of your blindness the beast will learn to bite
How can you fight if you can't recognise a warning?

Today you may earn a living wage
Tomorrow you may be on the dole
Though there's millions going hungry you needn't disengage
For it's them, not you, that's fallen in the hole

It's alright for you if you run with the pack
It's alright if you agree with all they do
If fascism is slowly climbing back
It's not here yet so what's it got to do with you?

The weeds are all around us and they're growing
It'll soon be too late for the knife
If you leave them on the wind that around the world is blowing
You may pay for your silence with your life

So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Shut your mouth and never dare
And if it happens here they'll never come for you
Because they'll know you really didn't care

Peggy Seeger

[BelgianMadCow]

44. Very very apt

captures the reason for the OP beautifully, and without the (I admit) rather childish "gripe" as a poster upthread called it.

thank you

[eleny]

41. Help!

Please, PM me.

[Psyop Samurai]

43. Naw... there's probably nothin' valuable down there...

I'm gonna head over to http://bradblog.com instead...

*wink*

Catching a glimpse yet of how it's gonna shake out? Looks like we got us a real-life "wheat from the chaff" scenario. All the well-intentioned "greater good" ops will become increasingly conspicuous by their omission. The ones already clearly recognizable as false fronts, will become more so.

In other words, we're moving in the direction of "recognizable intent", independent of anyone's particular degree of paranoia, (however well- or ill-founded it might be). Soon it will be apparent who's "crashing the gate", and who's in fact "keeping it". ...a welcome development in my view.