Bush's Secret bill to hold people indefinitely with no trial is now online

[originalpckelly]

http://balkin.blogspot.com/PostHamdan.Bush.Draft.pdf

Now reading, I encourage others to read it through and through.

[originalpckelly]

1. kick

:kick:

[Skidmore]

2. Question that begs to be answered is if our esteemed Dem reps and sens

have read it and then what kind of dinking around with it will the GOPers secretly do before it gets to a vote.

VOTE THEM OUT!

[Lars39]

3. k&r

Maybe time to read some Solzhenitsyn,too. :yoiks:

[Eric J in MN]

4. Phone your Senators against holding prisoners indefintely,

...and military tribunals instead of civilian courts.

Armed Services Committee

Republicans
John Warner, Chairman (Virginia): [phone]
John McCain (Arizona): [phone]
James Inhofe (Oklahoma): [phone]
Pat Roberts (Kansas): [phone]
Jeff Sessions (Alabama): [phone]
Susan Collins (Maine): [phone]
John Ensign (Nevada): [phone]
James Talent (Missouri): [phone]
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia): [phone]
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina): [phone]
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina): [phone]
John Cornyn (Texas): [phone]
John Thune (South Dakota): [phone]

Democrats
Carl Levin, Ranking Minority Member (Michigan): [phone]
Edward Kennedy (Massachusetts): [phone]
Robert Byrd (West Virginia): [phone]
Joe Lieberman (Connecticut): [phone]
Jack Reed (Rhode Island): [phone]
Daniel Akaka (Hawaii): [phone]
Bill Nelson (Florida): [phone]
Ben Nelson (Nebraska): [phone]
Mark Dayton (Minnesota): [phone]
Evan Bayh (Indiana): [phone]
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York): [phone]

[rodeodance]

6. thanks for the list and I w will call

[Eric J in MN]

7. Great. John Walker Lindh, Zacarias Moussaoui....

...and other terrorists have been convicted in civilian courts.

We don't need to try people who aren't in the US military by military tribunal.

We wouldn't want the Chinese military trying US citizens.

[kpete]

5. xlnt

reading now with a little merlot...

[StellaBlue]

8. Once again, and even more blatantly, they are committing TREASON

A photo essay:

[originalpckelly]

9. Section (c) on Page 31 of the draft is quite frightening:

If you read it, it at least appears all prosecutions for terrorism would be tried under this law. If you somehow endanger a plane you could be considered a terrorist (watch out model plane hobbyists.)

These are the two sections that are vague and make me worried the most:

"(5) Wrongfully Aiding The Enemy - Any person who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States of one its co-belligerents shall be guilty of the offense of wrongfully aiding the enemy and shall be subject to whatever punishment the commission may direct.

(6) Spying - Any person who collects or attempts to collect certain information, intending to convey such information to an enemy of the United States or one of its co-belligerents, by clandestine means or while acting under false pretenses, shall be guilty of the offense of spying and shall be subject to whatever punishment the commission may direct."

What exactly is aiding the enemy? That is not defined as you may observe on page 28 in the definitions section. These things are sort of open-ended. Not very good.

[unblock]

10. anyone who votes for this deserve to be the first rounded up

what makes any of them think shrub won't use it on them????

[originalpckelly]

11. The Jefferson raid...

"he's a corrupt Congressman, why should his papers related to his legislative duties be protected?"

We don't need rights for those who are popular, now do we?

[originalpckelly]

12. kick...

:kick:

[Reckon]

13. This is probably the bill

the * Admin wanted signed before it was seen, just like the first Patriot Act.

[Eric J in MN]

14. kick

kick

[dusty64]

15. I've seen not ONE

word of this atrocity anywhere outside of this forum, anyone else?

[Eric J in MN]

17. "The Daily Kos" had a recommended diary yesterday

...on this.

I can't find it now, however.

[leftchick]

16. "you have nothing to worry about as long as you aren't a terrorist"

said the sorry ass freepers. :banghead:

[Straight Shooter]

18. They hate us for our freedoms, so bush is helping them not to hate us.

The door broken down in the middle of the night. Hell, if Germany lived through it, so can we.

:sarcasm:

[Supersedeas]

19. tyvm for the link

[Quantess]

20. Horrifying.

Welcome to fascism.

[readmoreoften]

21. Hey I just read this and I have a question.

I'm not a lawyer so I have a hard time parsing legalese. Okay. I saw where it said that the defense and the accused may never see the evidence against them. I saw where hearsay is now admissible evidence. I didn't see where the indefinite holding was. Can anyone point that out to me? I just know I'm going to be debating this so I want to find the exact article.


Thanks!!!