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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 08:47 PM
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Bill Moyers warned us in 1988: 20min excerpt from "The Secret Government"
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 08:49 PM by Junkdrawer
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2397496401234089687&q=The+Secret+Government&hl=en

The last few sentences are absolutely prophetic. Here's the last:

"So one day, sadly, we'll discover once again that, while Freedom does have enemies abroad, it can also be undermined here at home, in the dark, by those posing as its friends."
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 08:59 PM
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1. And how he lays it out in the beginning
"The Secret Government is an interlocking network of official functionaries, spies, mercenaries, ex-generals, profiteers and superpatriots, who, for a variety of motives, operate outside the legitimate institutions of government.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:02 PM
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2. An official secrets act might keep Congress in the dark
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An official secrets act might keep Congress in the dark
COMMENTARY | August 25, 2006

Legislation aimed at criminalizing the disclosure of classified information is a threat not only to whistle blowers and the press but to Congress’s exercise of its own oversight function as well.

By Nick Schwellenbach
schwellenbach@niemanwatchdog.org

Though the Cold War saw a formidable spy apparatus marshaled against the United States (and one greater than anything al Qaeda could hope to develop), even in those vexing days our elected representatives consistently chose not to emulate one of the British government's more dubious contributions to jurisprudence: The Official Secrets Act. Originally passed by Parliament in 1911 and radically revised in 1989—the same year, ironically, as the Berlin Wall's crumbling heralded the hyper-secretive Soviet system's inevitable collapse—the Official Secrets Act is notable not merely for its expansive definition of "official secrets." The British law does not allow for circumstances when the disclosure of such secrets may be in the public interest and anyone in or out of government who discloses such secrets may be subject to criminal penalty.

America has contemplated such a law before, yet with starkly different results. When considering the Espionage Act of 1917 during World War I, Congress refused to give the President blanket authority to prohibit publication of classified information by criminalizing its disclosure during wartime. In 1957, Senator Norris Cotton (R-New Hampshire) championed a proposal to make unauthorized disclosures of classified information a crime. Again Congress refused.

It was nearly a half-century later when Senator Richard Shelby (R-Alabama) resurrected this heavy-handed idea—this time, with near-success. Then as now, under existing law only the unauthorized transmission of a narrow band of secrets—like cryptography methods and the identities of covert agents—come with criminal penalties. But in 2000, Senator Shelby presided over the quiet movement through Congress of a bill that would have criminalized the unauthorized disclosure of any classified information to the media and others. The bill passed—but died with a stroke of then-President Clinton's veto pen. Still enamored of the idea, Shelby reintroduced the bill again in 2001. Even in the wake of 9/11, no less an authority than then-Attorney General John Ashcroft told Shelby that his legislation was unnecessary, thus ending Shelby’s attempts to foist a dubious English legal import onto existing American law.

But on August 2, the possibility of an American Official Secrets Act reared its head once again. This time, it was sprung by Senator Christopher Bond (R-Missouri). Wrapped in the deceptively benign title, "A bill to prohibit the unauthorized disclosure of classified information," Bond’s legislation is identical to Shelby’s.

More - A WHOLE lot more

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FUGW Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:26 PM
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8. Where are the Dem's to call Bond the traitor he is?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:19 PM
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3. I might be the only DUer who can honestly state that
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 09:19 PM by burythehatchet
"I have a VHS tape of that show."
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:21 PM
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6. I'm jealous. So, how much am I missing that's not in the clip?
:shrug:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:25 PM
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7. 40 minutes worth....it's all there
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:21 PM
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4. I have an old copy of that on video
that my dad taped off pbs at the time
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:21 PM
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5. I never saw that before. Forwarded to a lot of folks. rec'd
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 09:22 PM by mod mom
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 10:21 PM
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9. Which reinforces
what your sigline so sadly enunciates.


But we will prevail.


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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 10:24 PM
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10. k
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 11:31 PM
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11. I'd like to see the whole thing...
Anyone have it digital?

Oh, Hell yes I rec'd it!

-Hoot

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 06:06 AM
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12. .
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 10:37 AM
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13. stunning. nt
Rec'd.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 11:06 AM
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14. It's part of a compilation: "What I've Learned About US Foreign Policy"
http://chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=1220

Lots of good stuff in there:
1. Martin Luther King Jr.
2. John Stockwell, Ex-CIA Station Chief
3. Bill Moyers, "the Secret Government"
4. Coverup: Behind the Iran-Contra Affair
5. School of Assassins
6. Genocide by Sanctions
7. Amy Goodman, host of Democracy Now
8. The Panama Deception
9. Ramsy Clark, former U.S. Attorney General
10. S. Brian Wilson, Vietnam Veteran for Peace

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 11:15 AM
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15. Hey Junk... Question For Ya !!!
Who owns the rights to the full version of that video? A couple of years back, I was looking for it all over the net, and got bupkis.

I remember PBS showing the entire video back in the 80's, complete with a rebuttal by none other than Orin Hatch. But I cannot find a place to purchase the whole video. All I've found, on various peace activist sites, is the same 20 minute excerpt you reference.

Any ideas?

:shrug:

Thanks in advance.


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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:32 PM
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16. I've been looking myself. Can't find it. Up thread, 2 posters...
say they have the full video. Perhaps if you PM them....
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