South Park Republicans?

[Hamlette]

I have to admit I've never heard of this but apparently it's been around for a long time. There is a group of GOPers who call themselves South Park Republicans or South Park conservatives. What the hell is that? (My son and I argue over whether Stone and Parker are conservative nut cases. I say yes, he says no. He watches more so what do I know?)

Anyway, there was an interesting piece in the NYTimes about the Amsterdam conference the libertarians are having right now. The point of the editorial (and maybe that Stone and Parker are making) is libertarians are leaving the GOP. There are some things about libertarianism that are attractive to me. Maybe we can find a place for them?

Stone and Parker say they were Republicans because:

1. You really shouldn't listen to Hollywood (their idea of liberals) because they are a bunch of lying, cheating, whoring people. But I guess we should listen to people who create a crude show with excrement jokes?

2. Republicans had the right idea: government shouldn't tell you what to do, Jesus should. So, small government lots of Jesus. Now they are disillusioned because the GOP wants big government and lots of Jesus.

Now they are libertarians. Because they don't want anyone telling them what to do?

Ok, their show is funny but honestly, headlining a political seminar in Amsterdam so they can bitch about how Hollywood types shouldn't be involved in politics? Don't they see the humor in that? Should be the next South Park episode.

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/29/opinion/29tierney.html?hp

Stone and Parker were never thrilled to be G.O.P. poster boys and said they weren’t sure what a South Park Republican was. They were generally reluctant to be pigeonholed ideologically, but last week they clarified it by headlining at a Reason magazine conference in Amsterdam, the libertarian version of Davos. Stone and Parker said that if you had to put a label on them, they were libertarian — and that didn’t mean Republican to this crowd.

The G.O.P. used to have a sizable libertarian bloc, but I couldn’t see any sign of it at the conference. Stone and Parker said they were rooting for Hillary Clinton in 2008 simply because it would be weird to have her as president. The prevailing sentiment among the rest of the libertarians was that the best outcome this November would be a Democratic majority in the House, because then at least there’d be gridlock.

“We’re the long-suffering, battered spouse in a dysfunctional political marriage of convenience,” said Nick Gillespie, the editor in chief of Reason. “Most of the libertarians I know have given up on the G.O.P. The odds that we’ll stick around for the midterm election are about as good as the odds that Rick Santorum will join the Village People.”

snip

Stone and Parker told me they’d previously seen the G.O.P. as a relief from the big-government liberals, particularly the ones preaching to America from Hollywood. “We see these people lying, cheating, whoring,” Stone said. “They’re our friends, but seriously, they’re not people you want to listen to.”

The religious right used to be a better alternative, Parker said. “The Republicans didn’t want the government to run your life, because Jesus should. That was really part of their thing: less government, more Jesus. Now it’s like, how about more government and Jesus?”

[mainegreen]

1. Rick Santorum joining the Village People?

That I'd like to see!

[warrens]

2. Let's face it, most of Hollywood ARE a bunch of idiots

Just because someone agrees with you doesn't make them smart.

[Hamlette]

3. I absolutely agree. In some ways I'm embarassed when they speak out

in large part because some of them are too stupid to make the argument well. I guess the problem is Stone and Parker hated liberals/liberalism because of Hollywood types. And now they are doing the same thing? Telling us how to live?

The irony is pretty overwhelming.

Maybe we should worry that people are turned off to liberalism because they identify it with Hollywood. Of course, that's what the GOP wants so they set it up that way. You'd think people would be smarter. I guess I assumed Stone and Parker were kinda smart because humor generally takes some brain power.

[Quantess]

55. Celebrity endorsement.

Personally, I don't think Hollywood celebrities are bad for liberals' image. Some of the coolest celebrities are liberals. (No big surprise, since the coolest people of all walks of life are usually liberals.)

edited for spelling

[warrens]

58. I don't mind South Park, and That's My Bush was hilarious

I don't agree with Parker and Stone, but they are very funny people. Only a tiny part of their stuff is anti-liberal...and let's face it, a hand puppet of JLo stealing her film and music careers, then having Ben Affleck fall head over heels and take Cartman for a drive so he could have sex with it...it just doesn't get much better than that.

[CollegeDUer]

87. I'm proud of Martin Sheen, Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover

People who were active long before they became actors are the best activists.

[Initech]

41. I'm starting to think that was the overall message of Team America

And in many ways I agree that people in Hollywood who speak out are idiots, they give us a bad name.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

84. Maybe, but some are bigger idiots than others.

Take, on one side, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis. On the other, Warren Beatty and Susan Sarandon.

[Kickoutthejams23]

4. They are this generations Republican Party Reptiles

(The old PJ O'Rourke group) of which I was a member in the eighties. (Drunk Driving is a right not a privilege hic. :beer:) In most ways they are progressives. They simply reject a lot of the political correctness and nannyism of the movement. (I was going to call the Redskins the hatchet wielding savages who lost fair and square but it wouldn't fit on the jersey hic.:beer:)

[ComerPerro]

6. no, they are idiots, who want their right to be assholes protected

and they believe every lie that the GOP tells about itself, and every lie it tells about Dems.

Basically, they think that Eric Cartman is the greatest person, ever.

[NewJeffCT]

40. Agreed - a South Park Republican is easy to define

A South Park Republican is very easy to define.

They are the Republicans that maybe do not like the GOP’s religious fundamentalism, but also strongly dislike what they consider "Nanny State" Democrats: "political correctness", gun laws, banning smoking in public places, restricting junk food sales in the schools, putting labels on music and video games (remember, that was Tipper Gore labeling music and Joe Lieberman labeling video games), etc

I know a few guys like this – they have no problem going to a bar & drinking or to a strip club and getting a lap dance, paying for a hooker, seeing an R or X rated movie, etc – but, if you try to do something like take away their guns, or ban smoking in the local bar, they will bemoan those wimpy Democrats/libruls trying to run how they live their lives.

[Kickoutthejams23]

48. Damn your description hit a little close to home.

Sometimes I find myself falling back into RPR mode for example my advice to a fellow DUer going to Spain.




They really don't speak proper Spanish like Americans do so your going to have to be patient.

They cut their cocaine wayyy too much so be prepared to snort a sifter or bring your own.

Check the hookers for penises (unless your into that kinda thing)

Remember if it has a mustache it's a woman clean shaven guy.

I don't recall much about the food except everything even the eggs have mussels in them and some wimpy watery red sauce.

And last but not least not all Brits there are organized crime figures on the run from the mob..... just most of them.

Hope this helps.




Classic Republican Party Reptile response. But I really am a progressive. I just have a hard time with certain "we are doing this for your own good movements" whether they come from the left or the right.

[benEzra]

83. Me too...

I just have a hard time with certain "we are doing this for your own good movements" whether they come from the left or the right.

Me too. If I wanted someone to tell me how to live my life, I'd join a cult.

[Iris]

64. I think libertarians are intellectually lazy.

but that's just my opinion.

[nam78_two]

80. On the money Iris!

:toast:

:)

I totally agree... Its just an overall simplistic world view....To me its always seemed like a moral justification for the haves to screw over the have-nots and still feel morally superior...:eyes:
No need for empathy, nuance etc.-"I am wealthy because I worked for it damn it...how dare all those poor people/consumer rights advocates/environmentalists (or whoever the libertarian's particular boogeyman is) try to mess with my STUFF dammit"....

"Those damn poor people are poor cause THEY did something wrong"...

Yep a simpified, biased version maybe, but thats what I take away from reading Ayn Rand, Buckley and other heros of the libertarian movement and as well as from libertarians I have known personally.

[Iris]

82. Yep. And all that you mention is basically the result of thinking that

has not moved beyond a 9th grade level (no matter how much formal education is acquired beyond that grade).

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

86. Watch out, Ann Coulter said the same thing about libertarians

And something about them being intellectual cowards.

[Iris]

88. Perhaps she and I agree on something!

Now THAT'S scary, but doesn't change my opinion of libertarians, or those who claim to be libertarian.

[Pawel K]

5. I don't see them as republicans, hardly

I do disagree with a lot of things they say but it is all in good fun. They take the extremes from both sides and make fun of it. If you can't take a joke simply because it is making fun of your position but love it when they make fun of another one you are no better than the freepers. Some episodes making fun of Republicans I can think off the top of my head:

The Terri Schiavo episode where Kenny dies and republicans fight to bring him back

A number of episodes mocking every religion out there, including christianity

The mel gibson is bat shit crazy episode.

Satin is gay, you gotta love the satire in that

Where republicans want to bomb heaven because they think Saddam is building WMDs there

The catholic scandal episode

There are many more, I just can't think off any off the top of my head.

[ComerPerro]

9. whenever they "attack" the right, they slam the left 3 times as hard

and 5 times as often.

[nam78_two]

12. Exactly so

The whole they attack the left and right is such bogus crap
They handle the right with kid gloves...

If they want to declare their RW cred.s and attack just the left fine -whatever...that show sucks whenever it is political anyway. But just stop with the BS about "Oh we attack everyone equally".

[ComerPerro]

15. That gets perpetuated about so many things, so incorrectly

no one is an "equal opportunity basher".

They are pretty soft on the right, but their attacks on the left are not only vindictive, but are usually huge strawmen.

Its like they get their plotlines entirely from the right wing. The things they attack the right on are things the right would be proud of anyway and can be defended. They attack the left, however, for positions we sometimes don't even hold.


For the most part, the P.C. "movement" never really happened. It was overblown by the right wing because they knew they could slander us mercilessly on it.

[Pawel K]

18. Examples?

I honestly think that you guys are so concerned with where this world is going that you can't take a couple jokes about all of this. And I think you have a right to those feelings but I see south park as a comedy show, that is it. I don't see it as a news show and I don't pay attention to any of its opinions as most people don't. They have come out strongly against republicans and I will try to get some examples later on (I have every episode of that show, I'll go through them when I get home from work).

Yes, I do hate their positions on the enviroment and I don't know a single one of my friends that thought the man bear pig episode where they made fun of Al Gore was funny, and these friends don't know shit about politics. But I can not simply discredit everything they do based on one position they are wrong on. Outside of the enviroment I really can't name one other thing they attacked liberals on in the show (again I will go through all the episodes when I get home).

[nam78_two]

25. I can agree about it that I am probably becoming a humorless

pissed off liberal :shrug:
So I can see how someone can just look on it as just a comedy show and laugh at it without caring about their opinions.

The thing is, unlike you, I do have a few friends who get their political opinions pretty much from comedy central :-/.

Where I felt they are soft on the RW is for example the Stem cells episode-they didn't rip on the RW at all, the Schaivo episode-they made it seem like the people who wanted the feeding tube off were just as bad as those interfering-that the only reason they wanted Kenny off the tube was for money or whatever. The Mel Gibson episode, they specifically ripped on Gibson, but not really religious fundamentalism....and so on....

I'll stop there-I agree I do get too uptight over what is ultimately just a show on CC :)...I blame my friends for it :spank:

[Pawel K]

28. And to be perfectly honest I could be wrong

the thing is I never really looked at the show politically. I can remember a few cases where I went why the hell aren't they harder on Bush or these republican idiots. But that was rare and I never really stopped to think about it as I could always name examples where they were hard on republicans.

And believe me, I am probably as pissed off as you are. But if there are people out there getting their opinions off comedy central we should all be perfectly fine with that. Stewert and Colbert should be way more influancial than a cartoon that really doesn't take much of anything seriously.

[nam78_two]

32. heh good point :) /nt

[ComerPerro]

33. consider "Team America"

hollywood liberals were actively helping and aiding terrorists.

[Pawel K]

38. I didn't watch that movie yet

I know, Im a little behind. But didn't they make fun of Ann Coulter and other crazy right wingers in that movie?

Not to mention the title of the movie was Team America: World Police

[Hamlette]

11. the point is, THEY say they are republicans.

or at least they did, now they say they are libertarians. They say they hate liberals because they hate Hollywood types because Hollywood types lie, cheat, and whore.

I agree, their program is more balanced than they say they are.

[ComerPerro]

16. everyone says they are "libertarians" now. Its usually bullshit

and they have said they hate liberals more than they hate conservatives.

[Pawel K]

Can you guys give me some quotes

I honestly never read any of their interivews and as I explained above I don't see the show as right leaning.

[ComerPerro]

31. If you can't see their bias in the show, then you won't believe

anything I show you anyway.

[Pawel K]

39. Try me

[Iris]

65. yep, intellecutally lazy bullshit.

Wow! How smart do you have to be to "hate" liberals just because everyone else does?

[Touchdown]

26. How can Satin be gay? It's a fabric.

:eyes:

If you mean Satan, then oh' yeah that's just a knee slapper there. The devil is a homo. All fags out there must be his butt buddies. Ha Ha Ha Ha. I bust a gut at that one. Matthew Sheppard is giggling in his grave too! How clever. Pick the worst person (Saddam) or destructive and evil diety and make them fags. Nobody in any towel snapping locker room has done that before. Oh' please stop! I can't take any more of this too hilarious for TV humor. :puke:

Just in case you didn't "get" that, like you accuse SP haters. Let me add this

:sarcasm:

[Pawel K]

29. thank you grammar police

I am at work so I am in a little rush, I apologize if my spelling mistake offended you.

I thought it was funny as hell as they were anything but evil. You might want to watch that episode again. And if you are going to argue that South Park supports religion, especially christianity, then you are fighting an uphill battle here.

[Touchdown]

34. No I don't think so. I don't like being equated with the devil

It was offensive, and bigoted, and the fact that you thought it was funny tells me all I need to know about what YOU think of gay people.

[mccoyn]

37. Everything on South Park is offensive and bigoted.

Thats the point. You get to laugh at everyone, but eventually you'll get yours. Just be happy your not a sciencetologist.

[Touchdown]

43. Oh' nifty! That makes me feel so much better.

:eyes:

BTW: The scientology episode was also gay bashing. Tom Cruise in the closet and all that?

[Pawel K]

42. Offensive to you, but that tells me you have no sense of humor

you don't know me and you don't know shit about my views on homosexuality.

If you are so sensative about being gay that you can't have a sense of humor about it I really can't help you. But because you are that way don't you dare use that to call me a bigot.

But I suppose you are right, anyone that laughs at Chris Rock's or Dave Chappelle's jokes is a racist that hates "niggas". Grow up.

[Touchdown]

52. That's why Dave Chappelle stopped his show.

More whiteys were laughing than black people. "Oh'. Ain't that the truth, Buffy?" "Sure is Chip. Hey, after it's over, let's go to the Olive Garden and laugh some more about black people as crack hos. Did I say that right? TeeHee." Chappelle is an african american. He gets a pass for making jokes about black people. Those same jokes wouldn't go over well if they were told by Steve Martin. Parker & Stone aren't gay, so their jokes that queers are equal to the ultimate evil in literary history (whether believed to be true or not), is nothing more than pure gay-bashing bigotry.

I have humor. I just don't think adolescent fag jokes are funny. I bet your a blast at parties. What do you do? Knock over a midget and kick him in the face for laughs?

You typed a 13 letter word when a 3 letter one will do. Since you went to THAT extent to type out the word homosexuality, I may not know everything about you, but I think I can narrow it down to this subject by quite a bit. Rapture righties always use homosexual. They refuse to acknowledge gay as even a description, because using a word with "sex" in it dehumanizes, and it's more salacious, and brings in more donations. You may not be conscious of it, but you bought into it's use.

Since I'm still the grammar police and being paid for it...it's sensitive.:hi:

[Pawel K]

60. I feel sorry for you

I have gay friends, to be perfectly honest not many, but a few. One of my best friends through high school was gay. He was very open about the fact he was gay and actually very secure about it even after the fact that there were many assholes around that couldn't see past that. I don't know maybe you had some bad experainces where everyone around you gave you shit, but you seem like an extremely insecure person from the couple posts I read from you. I am young, I have been to many parties where people threw around fag or tried everything they could to give my gay friends shit. It was extremely unpopular for me to defend him, but I did it with a passion anyway no matter how many fights I got into over it. I don't need assholes like you coming over here, judging me because I figured something was funny (it was), and calling me a bigot. I really don't appreciate that.

I haven't met a single black person that didn't think Dave Chappelle was funny. And the fact white people could be in the same room as black people watching the show all comfortable laughing is a great thing. It has even gotten to the point now where white people can laugh at black people and its ok as they do it back. Race means nothing now this is why we can all see the humor in it. Watching south park in a room with gay people and laughing is also a great thing, I don't know why you can't see that. And I hope sexual orientation will be on the same level as race is one day, it will, but the problem is people like you will not see that as a good thing for some odd reason.

[Touchdown]

69. First off.

For someone who hates assumptions on them, you sure make some yourself.

I'm older than you, and have heard this kind of shit all my life. It's old, tired and offensive. No, I've been fine with who I am and out to everyone in my life, including work, but that has nothing to do with it. I am mature enough to see when something is not a joke, but a slight, and that episode was a slight on gay people.

So I propose we start off again... Since you seem to take as a personal affront that anybody doesn't like SP, perhaps you can enlighten this geezer as to what EXACTLY you thought was funny about this Satan and Saddam are homos episode. Why this is high minded satire, and that I just don't understand the beauty in hiding social commentary in fart and fag jokes. Please explain in 3 sentences or more, because I'm expecting to see a reply back like "I thought it was funny. I can't explain it. It just was." ...which is a cop out. If the reason doesn't come easily enough, dig deeper. It's there.

Did your friend think it was funny? Did you bother to ask him? Some people haven't met a single black person, period. So what's your point about Chappelle? That was his reason for bowing out of the show, not mine. Take it up with him.

[Pawel K]

74. As I told someone else we are all on the same team

I have nothing against gay people, I wouldn't be here if I did. What I took personal offense to is that in your first reply you didn't ask me what you just asked, you instead called me a bigot. As I said, I take personal offense to that.

To answer your question as simply as I can. The religious nuts out there are so damn bent on gay people being evil I thought it was damn funny that satan was gay yet nice and kind hearted. Did you not pay attention to how good of a person he in actuallity was in that episode? And I am actually over annalyzing my feelings at the time to help explain this to you, I simply see humor in the fact that satan was having a gay relationship with Saddam in hell. Its comedy, it doesn't take much more thinking than that.

Also, to answer your second question. I don't remember which episode I was watching with my friend crystal, a lesbian. But it was an episode with gay jokes in it and she was laughing just as hard as I was, I really didn't need to ask her what her view on gay jokes were at that point nor did I feel ashamed that I laughed. I know this is the internet and you are probably thinking I am making this up, but I am sincere when I say I'm not. And I can certainly see how you can take this so seriously as I know how many bigots there are in our society. But I fear that if you label everything that is simply meant to be humor as bigotry because of those idiots you are only hurting yourself in the process. I am Polish, I can laugh at a Polish joke not made by a Polish person even though I know how inaccurate those stereotypes are. The same goes for racial jokes or gay jokes. I hope you can ignore those fucking bigots out there and find some humor in all of it too.

[Touchdown]

76. My first reply said nothing about you.

If you mean the second reply, then you just didn't get my joke. How can you not get the irony and humor of being called a bigot, when you defend a couple of arested developed frat boys who have a much more subtle style of satire? It's called ...wait it's coming to me....Humorthiness. I can't believe you don't have any humor! You must be completely devoid of it if you didn't get my joke. ;)

And...that explaination wasn't good enough. Every piece of smart humor has meaning. You are old enough to know why.

My reason for coming down on them? Parker & Stone have a long history of meaningless and crude fag jokes. The movie you didn't see, "Team America", there is a Hollywood group they love to hate. They named it the "Film Actors Guild"...Quick! What's that spell? Ha Ha Ha. Such smart satarists, those guys!

[Pawel K]

79. I meant second post, sorry

and I don't really see how it was a joke but lets move on. Sure a lot of humor has meaning but a lot doesn't (look at family guy, which I love BTW). If I may ask you seriously, outside of the devil being gay what did you take from Satan and Saddam having an affair? Honestly I really don't see any deep meaning behind it, I simply find it funny.

I am young and kids these days tend to have a crude humor, humorthiness sounds like a good definition (as long as you give colbert credit, you don't want to go on notice now do you?). You see it as immature and you are probably right, but we can't help laugh at it. I certainly don't mean any offense by it.

[Touchdown]

85. You don't see the joke?

...c'mon. I took your logic, twisted it around and used it against you. You said I had no humor because I don't think two self absorbed with their own cleverness assholes are funny, and you don't get my refined, excellent taste, intellectual wit and sardonic humor, so back at ya' Pal. I think it's a gas!:rofl:

"(look at family guy, which I love BTW)" figures. I think it's dumb. Not offensive, just insipid.

Two really evil guys as rump rangers, when every other channel is vilifying Saddam at the time (when was it? 2003, 2004?). Hmmm. Really, do you think there's nothing in the slightest homophobic and superior about it?

Crude and gross out humor is fine. I grew up with Animal House, Porky's, and the Nerds. I love Something about Mary, and that one where Jack Black can't see where Gwynneth is really fat. P&S is something more than just crude, they're mean spirited. They deliberately belittle those who don't have the power of the majority. Notice how Hillary jokes aren't as funny as when she was First Lady? That's because she doesn't have the power anymore. Ted Kennedy? No power anymore, but the rwers guffaw at the latest Ted thing, none of which is really funny. Gays never had power, so fag jokes by a couple of assholes with a TV show contract are nothing but bullying and victimizing for yuks. Sadly, some people fall for it. I pretty dissapointed that you at least couldn't see that, but it seems that you are too enamored with these two that they can do nothing wrong in your eyes.

Now, to tell the difference, let me use another cartoon that did a VERY gay episode, but it in no way implied that gays= demons or curel despots. The Simpsons, where John Waters guested on it. Homer putting Bart in the middle of the freeway, to look at two smoking girls on a billboard. "Are you a man yet son?" "No, but I think I want a cigarette." as well as the steel mill where the workers were all gay (Hot stuff coming through!), where quitting time came and the mill converted into a disco. That was funny, because it was clever, and it wasn't mean spirited.

[moez]

68. Lighten up Francis.....

[Touchdown]

71. Are you calling me flaming?

:evilgrin:

[moez]

72. Ha!

(actually just quoting my favorite line from Stripes)

[Touchdown]

73. Mine is...

We had a car waiting...

[ComerPerro]

36. the only "Satire" in having Satan and Saddam gay

seems to be that being gay is somehow wrong or evil.

[Touchdown]

56. But, but, but That's the joke! You just don't get it.

P&S (or PoS) are funny and hilarious and pretty and white and...Hey! Fire Truck!

They're also straight. Everybody knows that gays shouldn't be telling fag jokes. where's the humor in that?:shrug:

:sarcasm:

[nam78_two]

7. The problem with the arguments by those SP guys

is that at the end of the day, they are just what they accuse those "Hollywood libruls" of being...

They are just as preachy-they just hide it in poop-fart jokes :eyes:

Their logic is so skewed -I mean they keep attacking environmentalists and global warming...I mean they set up these fake scenarios where everyone believes that the earth is warming up because Tom Hanks says so or whatever...when most environmentalists are going by the science in the area-and yes the "debate" is over...There may be a few celebs spreading info about causes in their spare time, but the majority of people don't believe in causes because they are advocated by some celeb.
They may hear about some obscure cause that way-but that doesn't really convince most people by itself.


Anyway I personally can't stand much of what I see as mainstream libertarian philosophy...John Stossel, Andrew Sullivan, Chris Hitchens...ugh....
The last thing this world needs at this point in time, is more of this 'me me me' crap...
Screw the libertarians and their "I am proud to be selfish" crap....

[Hamlette]

17. agree, except

I don't think Sullivan is as bad as Stossel and Hitchens. I think he is more rational. The difference is probably that at least Sullivan tries to not make the whole argument about personalities. At least since he started seeing the damage people like Malkin and Coulter do. I read his blog daily. 99% of the time he doesn't piss me off and 80% of the time I agree with him. And trust me, I'm very liberal.

[nam78_two]

20. yeah I agree that he seems to be coming around

Stossel is just a whore...I am so angry that he is considered a serious journalist.
The mad LIES and LIES and LIES...:grr:

[martymar64]

61. Parker and Stone bitch about Hollywood

But they cash paychecks from Hollywood just the same.
I reject the premise that people in Hollywood can't speak their mind about politics. Since when did acting in or shooting a movie cancel one's First Amendment rights?
I also reject that Hollywood is this strange place filled with far leftys, whatever that is. I worked there for several years, and have seen that the vast majority of people in Hollywood are very hardworking and dedicated to making better lives for themselves and their families while doing something that they love and that most people in America dream of doing.They are no more political than any other industry, they just are under the microscope that you the viewer insist upon. Quit watching those stupid entertainment shows, they're all bullshit.
I watch films and TV shows to generally be entertained. I usually don't consider their politics unless that is the message of the film or program. In fact, I still watch films starring RW douchebags like Ahnold or Bruce Willis or Parker and Stone. If I don't like the message they are throwing at me, I change the channel.
Bottom Line: I support their right to speak out, but if what they are saying is bullshit, I'll call it bullshit.

[Iris]

67. totally agree with you

:toast:

[YOY]

8. I stopped caring what they think years ago

They've made their money. Now they think everyone has that kind of money or should have that kind of money.

[ComerPerro]

10. Parker can write comdey, but he can't write satire to save his life

He is either too stupid and right wing to come up with proper satire, or he knows his audience is too stupid to understand good satire.

His satire is always just an oversimplified position turned very literal, such as "we will bury our heads in the sand".

[nam78_two]

14. completely agree

I am highly irritated by those SP guys....everyone I know loves their RW crap and I find it highly annoying.

According to them altruism can only stem from a desire to be on tv, have people think you are awesome or whatever...Its the logic of a 5 yo.

[ComerPerro]

19. I've seen two funny episodes recently, that's it

the rest have been shit.

One was where Cartman became convinced he was dead, and the other was where he dressed up as Awesomeo, the robot...

[nam78_two]

21. lol-yeah those are two I liked too

Their humor, when completely apolitical, is not bad.
The Dog Whisperer one, where Cartman's mom gets a dog trainer to discipline him, is not bad either...

[Pawel K]

44. Have you seen the Kenny dies episode?

The one with the feeding tube?

I'm just curious if you think that was funny, I personally laughed my ass off.

But I do agree, the new south park epsiodes have been going down hill, most of them have simply not been funny.

[ComerPerro]

50. You mean the disgusting episode

where the right wing wanted Kenny to stay alive because he needed to fight the forces of Hell, and was the only one who could beat Satan?

And how Cartman (the left, and Michael) wanted Kenny dead so he could have his XBox?

That one?

Right wing trash.

[Pawel K]

54. Are you insane?

I'm sorry to be so confrotational but I think you hate the show so much you completely ignore anything it says.

The entire epsiode was about how it was wrong to play god and there was a reason why Kenny died. Not to mention hell used the republicans to get what they wanted and the fact that Kenny would not have wanted to be displayed on TV like that (something the republicas did to her). Sure, they threw in a couple of punches about how the people that wanted her dead were doing it for financial reasons (which is wrong, yes) but again that shows you they attack both sides. You don't care about that, becasue they attacked the left you completely ignore the bigger issue.

[ComerPerro]

59. Any time someone is compared to Cartman, it is obvious

what Parker thinks of them.

And, even if the Republicans were being used by hell, it still depicted them as "Good people who at least thought they were doing the right thing and genuinely cared about Kenny, who just didn't realize they were being used".

Meanwhile, Cartman was just acting not out of love or compassion, like Michael Schaivo was, but out of greed and selfishness.



The point you obviously missed is that even though they attacked the right, they were apologetic about it, trying to show that they could have just been good people who were used.

[Pawel K]

62. And you don't agree?

You don't think most people that fell for the republican propogenda at the time did it because they had their heart in the right place, their brain was simply somewhere else? They did not finish the show by being apologetic about republican politicians, only the naive people that fell for their bullshit.

[ComerPerro]

63. Well, for one, it doesn't excuse them.

And, two, no, I don't think the "Terri was murdered" crowd is good people.

Do you think the anti-choice crowd is made up of good people who are just being misguided?

Fuck no.

They are self-absorbed psychopaths, looking to force their version of morality on others, and they embrace causes like this because they want to feel moral superiority over the godless heathens.


The point is, for Parker to suggest that "Terri was murdered" people are somehow noble and pure, and just victims, while Michael Shaivo is evil and full only self-interst, is right out of the right-wing playbook.


Maybe you should step back a moment from your hero-worship to look around.

[Pawel K]

75. I just wrote a lenghtly post but my cookie wasn't set and it lost it

what I wanted to pretty much say is lets agree to disagree and leave it at that. I find the show funny, you don't. The way things are going in this country right now I can't blame you. We are all on the same team, lets just leave it at that.

[BurtWorm]

13. I don't trust people who call themselves libertarians.

They're going to vote for Republicans because they believe Republicans are better for their pocketbooks. They're not going to vote for Democrats.

[meegbear]

22. They're arch-conservatives with a sex fetish ...

fuck 'em.

[Crankie Avalon]

23. South Park's "political satire?" It's JibJab with excrement jokes. nt

[NYCGirl]

27. LOL! Except JibJab is technically more proficient. NT

[ComerPerro]

51. Jib-Jab is another cartoon I despise for its RW ass kissing

[nam78_two]

90. well then I am happy that I have never even heard of it/nt

[pepperbear]

24. anyone who enjoys the editorial freedom these two

enjoy are doing themselves a disservice if they back the GOP, plain and simple.

[samfishX]

30. I Recall Reading An Article Once

Where one of them said he was actually pretty conservative, while the other was pretty liberal.
I can't remember who said what, though.

Southpark is actually pretty balanced when it comes to "the issues". I doubt they could do that if they were both right wing kooks.

But no. They aren't Republicans. If they ever said that, it was probably in jest and some moron didn't get the joke.

[Ravy]

35. Republicans infatuated with the fart-filled comedy of T & P.

Sound like anyone you know?

[Goat or Panic]

45. Libertarians annoy me

I attended a symposium with Parker and Stone a few years back that was moderated by Eric Idle. P and S are very funny guys but are also very, very, very very, very, very, very, very, very very, very, very, very, very, VERY obsessed with their image as hip Hollywood outsiders. So much so that they ironically seem to view the world strictly thru the prism of Hollywood. Everything they thought and did was strictly done to go against the grain of what they considered to be the Hollywood mentality. Creatively, they seem almost trapped and blinded by this mentality, so it doesn't surprise me that they didn't see this coming. They may be funny guys, but they bought the B.S. just like everyone else and are too stubborn to admit that they were suckered in.

I personally think that even celebrities have a right to speak out for liberal and conservative causes. Aren't Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reily really just television personalities? Are their opinions more valid than George Clooney's?

[Beelzebud]

46. To me they seem more like nihilists.

I've watched South Park since day 1. I own Team America on DVD.

To me they are nihilists. They believe in nothing.

[stanwyck]

66. I agree. But what worries me

is how they vote.
I know plenty of reasonable people who vote Republican. They disagree with 90% of what the party stands for. But they vote Republican.
Why?
Because some are "wannabees". I vote rich, therefore I am. Only, they're not. And Republican policies hurt them.
And some are convinced, bless them, that we won't be attacked if Republicans are in power.
That's totally deluded. We WERE attacked while Republicans were in power.
The only reason we haven't been attacked recently is because it's just not our turn. (or maybe Republicans don't consider terrorist attacks against England, Spain, Pakistan, Australia, and Malaysia to be significant).

[Greyhound]

47. Why do we, as a culture, insist on listening to anything any of these

people say? Just because someone is famous or has an overabundance of money, we automatically give credence to whatever they say, no matter how blatantly stupid it is.

What the hell is wrong with us?

[Ganja Ninja]

49. As far as I'm concerned Republicans & Libertarians are ...

6 of one and a 1/2 dozen of the other. I know libertarians like to think they are somehow different but when they step into the voting booth they vote GOP.
If you aren't voting green and refuse to ever vote Democrat then you're voting GOP and you're a Republican.

[Sailor for Warner]

53. My wife is a registered Libertarian

She votes Repub 40%, Dems 50% and Independent 10% (her accounting not mine)

[RedStateShame]

57. People need to read more about Mort Sahl. That's how you do social...

commentary as comedy.

[Beacho]

70. Bullcrap made up demographic

It was actually a book written in the attempt to make being conservative 'hip and kewl'. even parker and Stone say it's a load of crap.

[Strawman]

77. Sure. They're rich and self centered. That's all politics mean to them

Politics are a TV show with preachy people on it who annoy them. They don't have to worry about mortgages or wages or health care or child care or living check to check.

Who gives a fuck what they think? So what if some preachy poseur liberal Hollywood types are annoying. OK. That doesn't make the other side right by default.

[long_green]

78. "South Park Republican" does not describe Parker and Stone

it describes some of the generally young white middle class males who watch the show, understand it the way they want to, take from it what they want, and are status quo in politics and society.
I'd love to see Parker and Stone write three episodes that attack the administration as savagely as they often attack liberal causes and liberal celebrities. Here are the subjects...

1) go after the administration's rationale for the war. Take the audience on a tour of the timeline and all of the jumping around on the actual reason we're fighting. Do what they did with the history of Mormon theology.

2) the disconnect between the administration's blather about freedom and its actual deeds such as the Patriot Act and the NSA domestic surveillance.

3) the connection between bad political news for the administration and the timing of terror alerts. The bizarre and dark comic nature of some of the unearthed "terror plots" could be explored with great results. The kids could be used as potential terrorists with government agents provocateurs egging them on so they can be used as political fodder when the time is right.

There's a fourth but these two, for all their "outrageousness," would never have the guts to go after Israel.

[The Count]

81. Libertarians=republicans who smoke pot" Bill Maher (he should know)

S&P - Bushbots with an obsession of being kewl (another shade of Dennis Miller).
"That's my Bush" - Rove approved.
"hollywood" is not a political party/block/uniform anything. It's an industry - like the Silicon Valley, or insurance. There are blue collar workers in Holliwood, asiring starving actors,writers, clerks of all kinds, CEOs and some rich and famous people. Not two are alike.

[Hippo_Tron]

89. Personally, I watch South Park because it's funny

To me the show was always about using stereotypes as much as possible and offending people who can't take a joke. Matt and Trey are libertarians and often I don't agree with them (although they were dead on in The Passion episode and the Terri Schiavo episode).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

92. Personally, I don't watch South Park because it's not funny.

It was funny once. Back when it was little more than construction paper cut-outs with singing shit.

But they rather quickly ran out of ideas and the talent left to work on other things.

They quickly moved to current events, a sure sign they ran out of ideas. They even started doing the things they used to make fun of. Several years ago they made fun of movie makers that went back and put new special effects into old movies (Star Wars, etc.). They even had a bit of satire where they put computer effects into old South Park episodes. But if you watch South Park now, they've got all of these stupid computer effects, such as reflections in water.

And the writing's just dumb. They're targetting the same white teenage boy audience that Carlos Mencia is after. You can tell by the Girls Gone Wild soft core pornography they advertise.

Parker and Stone probably haven't written an episode in years.

[Hippo_Tron]

93. You are correct that it's not as funny as it used to be

But I never actually kept up with the show so when an episode comes on it could be from the 3rd or from the 8th season for all I know. I can only tell if it is really recent because it is mocking a current or recent event.

Also, I'm a huge fan of singing in cartoons. I love most of the songs that they do in family guy and a lot of the South Park songs (especially the ones that were in the movie). The Simpsons has some pretty good songs as well. I can see how some people can't stand it, but I can't get enough of it. When they did the entire Shipoopi song in family guy my friends were all saying "what the fuck?", but I was falling out of my chair laughing because I was in The Music Man.

I respect the fact that we all have different tastes and that you don't like South Park anymore, but I think that a lot of people here hate the show because Matt and Trey don't agree with their politics. I still think that their racial and ethnic jokes (like the Jew gold in the Katrina episode) are hillarious. Sometimes I completely disagree with their satire, sometimes I agree with it, and sometimes I think it's okay when taken with a grain of salt.

[Nikki Stone 1]

91. FINALLY! A way to sell a Dem majority:

"...the best outcome this November would be a Democratic majority in the House, because then at least there’d be gridlock."

There's something to sell to the fence sitters.