Lost Boys, Warren Jeffs and the Cult

[DemonFighterLives]

I don't have the links yet but have been watching CNN on the Warren Jeffs stuff. The stuff is sick.
He has like 240 kids and the boys are run off or perhaps have accidents.

Flora Jessup who ran from the cult showed a graveyard that is 60% children that died from "accidents".

Jeff's sister who escaped the group called them a cult and she has many grandchildren there that she rarely gets to see.

Lost boys have a lawsuit against the group.

The prophet looks like a dipshit- I hope God doesn't strike me down.
:dem:

[smtpgirl]

1. God won't strike you down, maybe you speak the truth

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, people don't get it until some disaster is right in their face in order to react to something.

Ya 'know, most people are clueless to surroundings, people, space, etc. that surrounds them.

That is the point BE AWARE of YOUR SURROUNDINGS

[DemonFighterLives]

3. How could everyone just stand idly by?

I was noticing you post total and was going to wish you a happy 1000 posts soon to come. You have been here a while haven't you- the thousand is a long time coming.
:pals:

The men in the group had to channel much of their income to the "proghet".
His sister said that most of the cultists don't know the outside world. She was able to get out and compare.

[murielm99]

9. Read Under the Banner of Heaven.

I think many mainstream Mormons stand by idly because they believe in their heart of hearts that polygamy is sanctioned by God, and that they are denied their religious freedom if they are not allowed to practice it. They secretly admire anyone who has the guts to do it, even though they excommunicate them officially.

A lot of the child graves in the FLDS cemetery are there because the group is so inbred that infant mortality is high and birth defects are common.

Jeffs and the elders in the church own the city through something called the UEP Trust. They own all the homes and businesses collectively. They have been accused of fleecing the trust. The trust has existed for over forty years.

I think that one of the big reasons that Jeffs was deposed as the prophet and arrested is his lack of charisma. This group has been around awhile, and has had a couple of other members of his family as the leader and prophet. They were loved and treated like gods not only because of the nature of the FLDS beliefs, but also because they were charismatic leaders. I believe there was also some political jockeying for power that led to Jeff's' demise. There were probably some close to the prophet who thought that he should not have inherited the job, that someone else could have done a better job.

[DemonFighterLives]

11. They had one lady on who thought Jeffs had charisma

Larry King was showing the sad looking pictures of Jeffs in chains and she kind of realized that he didn't look too charismatic.

Thanks for the information.
:thumbsup:

[DemonFighterLives]

2. FLDS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints

The Lost Boys

http://www.childbrides.org/boys.html

They are just young men (mostly teenagers) who have become competition to the older men who want more wives. They are kicked out of their homes and run out of town. They often leave with just the shirts on their backs. Most have minimum education and few life-skills. But, the Prophet said that they must go away. So their parents cast them out like unwanted pets. Now, they are out on the street trying to fend for themselves. They are known as the "Lost Boys".

Read the tragic stories of their attempting to survive and to integrate into mainstream society. These articles are in chronological order.

:freak:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

4. Here is one of the best info sources for FLDS and countless other cults

http://www.rickross.com/groups/polygamy.html#FLDS

This cult has been in existence for over 100 years. Nobody just wanders in and finds themselves under its spell. Followers are born into it, as were their parents, and grandparents, and great-grandparents.

In the hands of an all-powerful leader, polygamy is used to reward faithful male followers and punish those who question him. Families have no say in the matter when they are split up as wives are remarried to "better" members. Young men who represent competition are cast out of their homes and communities for sins like smoking a cigarette or listening to modern music.

Children are home-schooled with outdated texts that prepare them for no life except the one they are born into - and the high rate of birth defects due to decades of inbreeding ensures their lives are handicapped from the start.

Jeffs's racist teachings have qualified the FLDS for censure as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Everything in the FLDS communities belongs to Jeffs. Church leaders and many followers are being investigated for tax fraud and welfare fraud; many of those "plural wife" families and inbred children live off the state.

[Bobbieo]

5. Mormon legislators in AZ and Utah are

and have been well aware of the twin, polygamous Mormon communities of Colorado City, AZ and Hillsborough, Utah but shrug off the problem. With Jeffs in custody, they can no longer ignore the situation.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

8. As I understand it

they have been reluctant to act upon abuses stemming from what many mainstream Mormons consider a religious lifestyle choice. Afraid they'll be voted out of office for religious persecution.

I wonder if Jeffs's arrest will put a crimp in the cult's plans to spread out or maybe relocate to other remote areas - like Eldorado, Texas, where they bought up land and built a huge white concrete church that looks more like a bunker than a house of worship. Or Pringle, South Dakota, where they have created a hidden community that the local authorities don't seem to mind, compared with meth addicts, gang members and others who like the isolation of the Black Hills. Or Utah's Boundary County, where members of another FLDS branch have been moving from the stronghold they have maintained in Bountiful, British Columbia, for over 40 years.

Will the dissolution of the FLDS's $100 million+ trust mean that all these communities will splinter into smaller cults, or will his followers help Jeffs continue to rule from his cell? Smaller cults can be no less dangerous, but they could spell the end of Jeffs's most egregious abuses of power.

[DemonFighterLives]

12. I think the crap is going to hit the fan

The civil rights within the cult have to be in question.
:dem:

[DemonFighterLives]

6. Thanks for the link

That is a good one.
I was trying to find a picture of Mr. Jeffs in chains, but couldn't find it yet.
Link on the arrest:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Aug-30-Wed-2006/news/9337137.html

clip..
The driver, Isaac Jeffs, gave the trooper a Utah license but would not make eye contact as he stood outside the vehicle, folding and unfolding his arms.

The man in the back seat, who was eating a salad, also appeared very nervous and avoided eye contact. Dutchover could see an artery in the passenger's neck pulsing through his skin.

"You're making me nervous. Is everything OK?" Dutchover asked the passenger, who had given the name of John Findley and used a contact lens receipt from Florida as identification.

Dutchover called for backup. The two troopers who responded were familiar with Warren Jeffs because about a month earlier they had pulled over some of his associates in the area.

[Cerridwen]

13. A picture of Jeffs in chains...

From this article. Please note at the bottom of the article "escorted back to jail by body-armor-wearing members of the Las Vegas Police Special Emergency Response Team". (emphasis mine). Cripes! What the hell are they afraid is going to happen to them? It's a rhetorical question. The "cops" must know some scary crap about FLDS members.

[DemonFighterLives]

14. Thanks

What a gangly looking goon.

[DemonFighterLives]

7. I should have included the girls/women in the title

They really have a raw deal. Forced into marriage and basically raped by someone they don't love. The boys are forced out and the women just had to keep quiet and serve.

There is so much wrong with this picture.
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[lies and propaganda]

10. hes no prophet...

his dad 'was' until he died, and then they freaking passed on prophet-hood.

The FLDS makes me sick to my stomach, its a huge victory that this scumbag is caught.