neo cons have set up the next Democratic president

[Philosoraptor]

If a Democrat is elected president, he or she is going to have to be made of steel to survive the republican revenge onslaught, making the impeachment of Clinton look like a tea party.

bush has already stated several times that the war(s) will continue till he leaves office, if it's a repub pres., we know how it will go, and if its a Dem. we know how that will go too, he or she will be hounded and politically assasinated.

I certainly wouldn't want to be the president after bush has shit all over the oval office.

[yourout]

1. I agree to a point.

It will take a Predident with balls of steel to clean up the mess but the sooner we get started the quicker the place will be cleaned up. In the mean time we need to put some diapers on the baby to limit the mess.

[patricia92243]

2. I think the Republicans really want us to win the Congress back, so they ca

can get the things done that really need to be done - but without upsetting THEIR base. They can have their cake and eat it too - really be able to say it's all the Democrats fault and be able to run the country in the manner that it needs to be done.

Also, there are enough DINO's in Congress to be sure that Bush will not be impeached or anything harmful to the Republican party.

Unfortunately, we have gone so far in the wrong direction that I'm not sure anybody can bring us back.

[captcorajus]

15. Screw the Base, be a leader!

We have become a nation that leads by poll results! Real leaders listen the polls and then inject common sense and logic. You can not rule by poll results. Just like this whole "racial profiling" issue, where suposedly 60% of Americans are in favor of it.

Please.

Racial profiling doesn't work, and is not a reliable law enforcement tool. Fact. Period, but the pundits would have you believe this is effective tool to locate a terrorist threat.

Rule by fear... the real Bush tactic here. God help us, we keep falling for it.

[mmonk]

3. Depends on who it is.

Neo-cons are a parasitic group that will stay in power under the democrats as well as long as their foreign policy meets their agenda. They began in the democratic party as a faction.

[maine_raptor]

4. Had the same thought yesterday

When a Dem is elected in 2008 and he/she finally ends this stupid, insane, illegal war in Iraq look for a repeat of the 1950's. After Mao's takeover of China in 1949 the cry among the right was "Who lost China?".

After we finally bring the boys/gals home, look for the cry from the Neo-Cons:

"Who lost Iraq?"

As sure as the sun comes up in the morning it will happen.

Also remember that after that cry was uttered 50 years ago, the junior senator from Wisconsin started his terror here at home. Therefore the next question should be; "Which Republican Senator will continue the historical circle and become the next McCarthy?"

[mmonk]

5. Neocons

Part of the wikipedia desciption:
The prefix neo- refers to two ways in which neoconservatism was new: many of the movement's founders, originally liberals, Democrats or from socialist backgrounds, were new to conservatism; neoconservatism was also a comparatively recent strain of conservative thought, which derived from a variety of intellectual roots in the decades following World War II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon

Be careful not to associate it just with republicans or you will be hornswaggled just as republican voters have been.

[DemonFighterLives]

7. I have a tough time with that

Other than the Zionists, what self respecting democrat would want to take down 7 Countries in the Middle East?

The Neocons to me are the PNAC'ers. There we see Jebbie, GFY cheney, Krisol and others.
:dem:

[mmonk]

10. Keep your eyes open and your guard up

Michael Lind, a self-described former neoconservative, wrote that neoconservatism "originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ("Scoop") Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals.' When the Cold War ended, "many 'paleoliberals' drifted back to the Democratic center... Today's neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists."<2>

[DemonFighterLives]

11. I'll have to read up

I assumed that the Neocons was a much newer incarnation.
I never read about Lind- does he appear to know what he is talking about?

Wherever they came from, do you consider PNAC to be the Neocon central commmand?

:shrug:

[mmonk]

14. At the present (PNAC)

but there was some splintering with the original movement. I also see the international Third Way movement as part of the ideology.

[mmonk]

16. I also don't sleep well anymore. Maybe I know or think too much.

I feel like a fossilized enigma. I'm a traditional democrat as was my dad. My ideas are shaped most from the enlightenment and the constitution. I'm not all that ideological on the economic front, but I have great problems with both Grover Norquist "economics" (dangerous and too regressive) and marxism (impractical and mostly unworkable). I get attacked from all sides (I don't mind) but I've never been more under stress than from neoconservative thought as well as the "third way" many democrats abscribe to. I think its because both are willing to compromise the constitution and the Bill of Rights to achieve their ends. I sure would love to sleep soundly again.

[zeemike]

6. Well there is another way

And that is to influence the democrats to elect someone that they can count on not to make many changes that bothers there agenda.
Then they can use that 4 or 8 years to coast to where it is that they want to go.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. This is the key to taming the Republican onslaught:

We've got to turn the magic mirror on their supporters. We've got to let them see themselves for the insular people they are, and show them that they have two opposing goals. You can't bomb innocent people indiscriminately overseas to make the more sedentary American at home feel safe AND expect to open doors overseas for the American who travels abroad for business.

Just can't do it.

[DemonFighterLives]

9. Now this may sound crazy

I think that Big Dog tried to cut a deal with poppy. They are hoping to install Hillary to keep the war going. She would remain confused as to what is right and wrong and the Neocons can do what ever they want. Only thing is that without a ton of Diebold, I don't think she can make it. Also, you can't trust the crime family and Bill and Hill could easily be kicked to the curb.

Who can become President is a big open question.

:crazy:

[Bonhomme Richard]

12. That's a fact. Four years ago I was told..................

by someone in the military, that worked in DC, that the neocons (he didn't call them that) were filling all the mid level positions and he said that even if a democrat got elected he wouldn't be able to do anything. They would block him every nasty way they could. He also stated that what these people want is perpetual war. That was four years ago.

[JHB]

13. That highlights the need no not just win, but to win often enough...

...to clean house, to get rid of these extreme partisans seeded through the works.

[Philosoraptor]

17. kick

[opihimoimoi]

18. This aspect of interference from the GOP forces a training system

for DEM Leaders that is PUB Proof.

[Philosoraptor]

19. They will attack whoever wins VICIOUSLY

And we need someone who will fight back at every insult, accusation, and hoax.

[opihimoimoi]

20. That someone should be Prepared and schooled in Success:::

HOW TO ACHIEVE

[Philosoraptor]

21. How to fend off personal attacks and lies

and throw them right back in their hypocrite faces.

[opihimoimoi]

22. yup...