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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:25 AM
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The Americans ( A Canadians opinion)
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 11:26 AM by William769
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French, and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971, and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous, and possibly the least-appreciated, people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Well who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that's who.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges, and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gordonsinclair.htm


In the immortal words of the Beatles "Yesterday" :(
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:48 AM
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1. The meme that went around conservative circles was that
"we always help the other countries and they didn't lift a finger to help us in Katrina." That was a flat-out lie. Many, many nations sent help or tried to send help. The Bush administration rebuffed many of these efforts. For example, truckloads of food donated by Britain were not distributed and left to rot.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:51 AM
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2. I totally agree.
My posting this was for nostalgia more than anything else. When America could feel good about itself & when America was out to help Countries not hurt them.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:53 AM
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3. Me thinks that Bush wants the dollar to be nothing.
Just a felling I have. To quote another Beatle song "I've got a felling, a felling deep in side" I think Bush hates America.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:17 PM
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4. This was written in 1973, and Gordon Sinclair has been dead since 1984.
And it was a different war, too. I remember when his recording of this speech hit the air. Well, things have changed. Conservatives have changed. Bush is currently out-Nixoning Nixon in the lying department, and a lot more besides.

Sinclair might have a completely different opinion now from what it was in 1973. What's the point of this outdated reference?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:26 PM
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6. See post #2.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:25 PM
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5. this man lived in fantasy world (besides the article is from 1973)
nobody is ungrateful for what the Americans did throughout the world after the war, but I should remind him that most of it was good commercial investments and loans which have been repaid one way or the other.

Seen today :

The comparison with tornadoes, floods is ridiculous. Europe rose like one man and proposed help for Katrina. Either it was refused or diverted. Very little came through of what was offered, and the worse was that many lives that could have been rescued the first week weren't, because foreign teams were turned down for pure jingoistic reasons, while at the same time the most gigantic clusterfuck was "organized". The US attitude created a lot of resentment in Europe, it was as if we weren't "good enough" while at the same time the US media were full of discussions about the fact that the Mexican help in form of some army company would wear uniforms which of course could rememberr of the Alamo.

I never heard that the US "rebuilt" the French railways. Regarding the planes TODAY there are probably more people flying Airbuses today than Boeing, and that must be for a good damned reason.

the French crisis in 1956 curiously lefts out that it was the Suez Canal war and that the US attitude of not supporting the UK/France created resentment (even if the US took politically the right decision). Besides the crisis was caused by the US unwillingness to give money to the IMF)

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2001/09/boughton.htm

Even if there was a rise of antiamericanism 1973 in the aftermath of the Vietnam war, the article is still mostly BS in its countering.

read about the Marshall plan here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_plan

Repayment

The Organization for European Economic Cooperation had taken the leading role in allocating funds, and the ECA arranged for the transfer of the goods. The American supplier was paid in dollars, which were credited against the appropriate European Recovery Program funds. The European recipient, however, was not given the goods as a gift, but had to pay for them (though not necessarily at once, on credit etc.) in local currency, which was then deposited by the government in a counterpart fund. This money, in turn, could be used by the ERP countries for further investment projects.

Most of the participating ERP governments were aware from the beginning that they would never have to return the counterpart fund money to the U.S.; it was eventually absorbed into their national budgets and "disappeared." Originally the total American aid to Germany (in contrast to grants given to other countries in Europe) had to be repaid. But under the London debts agreement of 1953, the repayable amount was reduced to about $1 billion. Aid granted after 1 July 1951 amounted to around $270 million, of which Germany had to repay $16.9 million to the Washington Export-Import Bank. In reality, Germany did not know until 1953 exactly how much money it would have to pay back to the U.S., and insisted that money was given out only in the form of interest-bearing loans — a revolving system ensuring the funds would grow rather than shrink. A lending bank was charged with overseeing the program. European Recovery Program loans were mostly used to support small- and medium-sized businesses. Germany paid the U.S. back in installments (the last check was handed over in June 1971). However, the money was not paid from the ERP fund, but from the central government budget.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:31 PM
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7. To tell the truth right now I would just as soon that they don't
send us anything because most of those Americans who need it won't get it anyway. When we get rid of our criminals in government then I would welcome what comes our way in the way of disaster aid from foreign countries. Lord, knows those people in Louisiana still need help, but our government isn't getting it to them. Our government has looked upon Katrina as another boon so they and their cronies can stuff their pockets with no-bid contracts.

It's a shame really.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 01:14 PM
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8. I was doing genealogy a while back. In the 1950s some distant
relative was contacting people with the same last name in Europe to find out what their research was on the local family. A letter got forwarded to somebody's son in the USA. He had lived there for only a few years. His response: why don't our family get together and fight communism across the world..it is such a terror.

I really think, just like Europe, Canada, Australia fought WWI and WWII on their own and were resentful of the USA opting out till the last minute..so too does the American establishment resent that they fought most of the cold war(and had missiles aimed at them from the Soviets).

Though I understand the letter as one of its time (1950s) it is very jarring how the meme was so different from Canada. And I mean Canada had had communist spy scandals too. And troops in Germany. It just didn't seep so deeply into the parts of our brains that are reptilian.

Today - for anyone to be scared of communism..when it has failed, failed, failed everywhere... is odd. But it seems to be still there, somehow kept alive that someone is going to steal American money or business opportunity if they go a little social on occasion. And this fear is not necessary. In fact, where health care is concerned, universal health care increases productivity for corporations across the board. And is funded solely by people shopping in malls excessively.

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