Re-Post: Clinton, 9/11, and the Facts

[WilliamPitt]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/083006J.shtml

[wakeme2008]

1. Why don't you link to a site that can be trusted.. maybe Wayne Madison.

:grr:

[WilliamPitt]

2. Hm

Well, go through that essay line by line and find for me the parts that are wrong.

Cool? I'll be here.

[wakeme2008]

23. I trusted you once but never again

the correct old saying.

Fool Me Once Shame On You; Fool Me Twice Shame On Me

[johnaries]

4. Why don't you let the rest of us decide which sites are

trustworthy?
:grr: back at cha!

[JuniperLea]

5. That axe isn't sharp yet?

I find it quite vulgar to grind away at personal hard-ons in public.

[TahitiNut]

14. While I hearken to the advice to "regard the source"

... I note that it does not EXCLUDE regard for the message itself. Thus, I will always attend to the content of a message (or article), including the veractiy of that content, far more diligently than I will attend to the author. For me, it's a matter of message, not messenger.

[wakeme2008]

22. IMHO both the site and author are not trustworth

:shrug:

If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything."
-Mark Twain

[WilliamPitt]

24. "trustworth"?

OK.

:eyes:

[wakeme2008]

25. Yes George you can not be trusted.

:)

[peacetalksforall]

17. If they are not banned - it should be linked. These Truthout

attacks are crazy.

[dogday]

21. Post what you like Will unless the Mods

tell you differently...

There were things going on in the background on the Bush administration, people making suggestions that were not taken... Ask John O'Neill? You can't though, can you? He died in the twin towers attack...

[stepnw1f]

33. riiiiiight (nt)

[johnaries]

3. Everybody email this to ABC and anyone you know who

might be planning to watch their 9/11 mockumentary blaming Clinton.
K&R

[JuniperLea]

6. Good call... done

I'm still battling a dumbass cousin who is suffering Kool-Aid poisoning. He's blabbing this "Clinton caused 9/11" crap all over our family website. He's about to be tomb-stoned methinks. There are several of us posting truths to battle this dimwit and he just gets angry. When I point to the fact that his anger only serves to prove he hasn't a leg to stand on in this debate, he gets all the more vile. I think he's a pretty fair example of the idiocy out there. And all the lemmings like him are going to swallow this movie hook, line and sinker. The resulting convulsions will be alternately entertaining and disgusting.

This should also be trotted out every time you hear a RWNut bloviate about Liberals politicizing tragedy. Dumbasses. Moths to the flame.

[petgoat]

13. Clinton ordered Osama killed, but the CIA farmed the job out to

Afghan tribesmen who lacked enthusiasm for the job.

The Navy demanded ten hours of lead time for cruise missile strikes.

Sandy Berger wanted commando raids on the al Qaeda camps, and the
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs opposed them.

Richard Clarke had a plan to attack al Qaeda militarily and financially.
Had Gore's election been permitted, it would have been implemented
in late 2000, and the nation would have been on alert, expecting
reprisals. Since they didn't want to pass a half-done war on to Bush,
the Clintonistas decided to wait. Clarke took his plan to Condi in
1/01. She ignored it and implemented a policy review that was still
ongoing on 9/11.


http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/story.html

(I'm not sure all of the above is in the TIME piece, but it's a basic
resource.)

[JuniperLea]

15. Great find!

Thanks.

We also know that the Republican Congress and Senate had Clinton by the dangley bits back in the day. Remember "wag the dog"?

[jaxx]

7. Good article and I'm sending it along.

I'm sick of all the blame Clinton crap, let GW stand up and take his own heat for a change.

[truedelphi]

8. Pitt nails it

and my family just watched something called (paraphrase of title)
"Documentary on 9/11 Commission" which aired on the Court TV channel

Among the program segments that I had issue with were a long segue on how Bin Laden ws available
for attack under CLinton, but Clinton failed to bring him down

No mention whatsoever of bin Laden being in a hospital in Dubai in mid summer of 2001 - with ample
possibilities for Bush regime to take him out - kidnap by undercover group, arrest etc.

[jaxx]

10. Just found this about the writer of this 911 drama. Pure pub.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/01/nowrasteh-conservative-activist/

[bettyellen]

9. tks, i needed this and missed it the first go round.

[AntiFascist]

11. I'm still wondering, WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

<snip>
Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them "totalitarian."

In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its criminal executives in Houston, were using those same terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board of Directors.

Just before departing office, Clinton managed to make a deal with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development to have some twenty nations close tax havens used by al-Qaeda. His term ended before the deal was sealed, and the incoming Bush administration acted immediately to destroy the agreement.

<snip>

[SharonRB]

12. I found this article from a link somewhere else, Will

and read it yesterday. It's a wonderful article. I'm so sick of the Big Dawg getting blamed for everything. I definitely will not be watching this movie. I hope the ratings are awful for it.

[Miss Chybil]

16. Uh, Will... can you condense this stuff down to bumper sticker size?

People don't want to be bothered with all those facts. /sarcasm

[johnaries]

19. I know you're being sarcastic, but there's a grain of truth there.

The people we need to reach the most simply don't have the attention span to read all of Will's wonderful research.
What we can do is hit them with the major points first, and then hit them with the full research. If they understand the major points, the sheer volume of the rest will overwhelm them.

[WilliamPitt]

20. That'll have to be someone else's job

I don't have that particular skill set.

[druidity33]

27. how about...

Republicans... THEY LIE!

[JHB]

28. It's very simple, Will...

You start off by not contradicting them, but by pointing out:

"Whatever your opinion is of what Clinton actions (or lack of them) to fight Bin Laden, Al Queda, and terrorism in general, the facts are that Bush and his team came in and REDUCED them. De-prioritized, de-funded, and shoved onto a back-burner, right up until September 11. Whatever our chances of stopping it were, Bush LOWERED them with his policies."

[Miss Chybil]

30. Here, this is easier - "Monica Bush is a Liar Lewinsky," or...

"Jon Benet Bush Let Osama Go Ramsey." Or, how about "Oral Bush Loves Osama Sex?" Maybe, even "Semen-stained Bush F*d Up and F*d You Over Dress." I'm sure we can think of more...

[JHB]

31. Ehhh,... no.

We'd prefer to keep some actual content in what we have to say.

[Miss Chybil]

32. I'm glad you've decided what WE would like to say

and I'm sorry you have no sense of humor.

[alarimer]

18. It happened on Bush's watch

It is disengenuous at best to blame Clinton for this, considering all the things he had done to raise this issue during the transition. The Bush administration chose to ignore the recommendations of ANYONE connected to the Clinton adminstration simply out of spite.

It is hard not to conclude that they (the Bushies) WANTED it to happen.

[jus_the_facts]

26. November 22, 1963 and we're still kept from ALL the FACTS......

The passage of time will, in all likelihood, finally expose the truth behind exactly what happened on September 11, and why. Until the moment of final revelation comes, however, we are all best served by a systematic analysis of the facts surrounding that dark day.

...about that dark day too....so I don't hold any hope of the public ever learning the truth about September 11, 2001...the StayPuft Marshmallow Man might as well have done both. :nopity:

[BattyDem]

29. Thanks Will

:hi:

[stepnw1f]

34. Question Will...

is there an online government source that has the numbers you offer pertaining to how much money was to be spent in the Anti-Terrorism Bill. I want all the weaponry at my disposal to squash the right wing's attempt to lie.

These numbers:
"Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
Passenger Profiling: $10 million
Screener Training: $5.3 million
Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million
Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million
Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million
Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million
Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million
Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million
Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million
Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million
Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million
Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million
Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million
Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million
Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million
Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million
Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million
Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million
Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million"

[WilliamPitt]

35. Here

is the best collection of info I have found:

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/Clinton_and_Terrorism.html

[stepnw1f]

36. Thank You Will. (nt)

[stepnw1f]

37. Will.... I Don't Know What's Going On

but that page you gave me has a bunch of dead links. What's even more strange are the pages that do come up from clinking on each link. Check it out... somebody doesn't want us reading the material referrenced on that page.