Are you ready - Convert to Islam, Qaeda tells non-Muslims in America...

[bridgit]

'DUBAI • Al Qaeda called on US President George W Bush and non-Muslims especially in the United States to convert to Islam and abandon their 'misguided' ways or else suffer the consequences, according to a video posted on a Web site yesterday.

The speaker was identified as Azzam the American, also known as Adam Yahiye Gadahn - an Islamic convert from California wanted for questioning by the FBI and who US authorities believe to be involved in a "propaganda" campaign for Al Qaeda.

"If the Zionist crusader missionaries of hate and counter-Islam consultants like... the crusader and chief George W Bush were to abandon their unbelief and repent and enter into the light of Islam and turn their swords against the enemies of God, it would be accepted of them and they would be our brothers in Islam," Gadahn said in English.'

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=Gulf%2C+Middle+East+%26+Africa&month=September2006&file=World_News200609033050.xml

[hogwyld]

1. Since there is no God

what do I care what the nation converts to?

[bridgit]

2. then you will have no objection to separating church & state now...

[seriousstan]

5. So you have no problem living under Islamic laws?

[Yupster]

40. Maybe in the Dar Es Salaam

we'll be allowed to just pay a dhimmi tax instead.

[seriousstan]

59. Don't bet on it

irony intended

[acmavm]

3. A film by a whacked out Californian convert is being used as a

propaganda tool for whom? I don't doubt that this clown and this film exist, it may even be ligit, but is it anything more than the material bad jokes are made of? Apparently this guy has one thing in common with our pResident. Neither one of them is hitting on all cylinders.

[bridgit]

10. i'll agree with you there, the world is not found wanting for a lack...

of shit-talking crapheads on each & every side

[elehhhhna]

56. Adam has perfect timing though. Ask KKKKARL.

[Raine]

4. like that is going to happen...

NOT!

[bbinacan]

6. I say

fuck'em and feed them pork and beans. I'm tired of these assholes.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. What's the alternative - convert to the GOP?

Tough choice.

[dogday]

8. Ah and I was just learning how to dance

[bridgit]

9. heehee, too true...

[dogday]

71. Now that girl has some moves !!!!

[DiverDave]

11. Um, No thanks.

sorry guys, if the good looking Mormon girls couldn't convert me, you sure cant.

[bridgit]

13. pft, that's the spirit...

:spray: :thumbsup: :rofl: O8)

[katsy]

12. Maybe...

If we didn't bomb them into accepting our way of life or install puppet governments around the world... they wouldn't be "advising" us to convert to Islam.

Where would these terrorists be if our foreign policy didn't provide them with all the converts they wanted? Maybe our foreign policy should include adherence to the golden rule.

[bridgit]

14. well there is that too, whatever happened to bush's "non-beligerent...

non-arrogant foreign policy" and crap like that x(

[katsy]

15. Good question.

I don't know about anyone else... but I'd just as soon put the bush** administration in a room with al queda and lock the door. Let's see how beligerent they are face-to-face.

[bridgit]

17. now there'ya go, that's working...

:patriot:

[cigsandcoffee]

16. I'll convert when they pry the crispy bacon out of my cold dead hands.

A world without crispy bacon would be cold and dead to me.

And I hear they have something against cold beer, too. Good Lord.

[bridgit]

19. maybe we could get Whitney Houston to mediate...

i hear 'the big guy' is gah-gah for her :shrug:

[magellan]

18. Nothing new

Of course, it's never been about religion but power. And I'll never be scared enough to help either side by becoming a GOP Christian or an AQ Islamist. They're all terrorists and they can all pack sand.

[bridgit]

22. yup, every single one of them...

"can all pack sand"...i like that one :-)

[TahitiNut]

20. Well, golly. It sure convinced me.

Then I got a look at the Muslim version of Playboy Magazine. :rofl:

[bridgit]

23. hm, so there's hope for hubby after all...

:rofl:

[PresidentWar]

21. Sounds like a version of the Religious Right

Exchange the words, the turbans for a bad hair piece, the robes for a dark blue suit with a cross/american flag lapel, and you have the same damn bullshit.

big deal.

[bridgit]

24. oh yeah, it's all a variation of a theme driveled from 'the book'...

:eyes:

[Zhade]

84. Um, point of order: Muslims don't wear turbans.

Sikhs do, however.

Otherwise, I agree!

[many a good man]

25. I could never join a religion

that would have ME as a member!

[bridgit]

28. i hadn't thought of that...

you're prolly right i can see it now, 'sister bridgit katherine'...has a nice ring to it :rofl:

[TheWatcher]

26. Azzam the American......

Azzam the American?

It's been awhile since they dug up that piece of hilarity.

I don't know which is more funny, whoever writes this material or the people that actually take it SERIOUSLY.

Americans who put one cent of credibility to this tripe= The dumbest, most ignorant, uninformed, gullible creatures in HUMAN HISTORY

Azzam the American.....

PLEASE.

I like Ali Babba and the Aqua Velva Of Death Better.



Or How about Saheed The Nefarious and his Gatorade Grenade?



Ooooooooh, you ignorant INFIDELS, the Streets Will Run Red With The Blood Of The Non-Believers!!!!!!

This shit would actually be funny if we weren't using it as one of the many fake justifications to start WORLD WAR III.

Oh and don't forget.....



Stay Afraid Everyone!

And don't forget to check under your bed!

:eyes:

[bridgit]

27. send this one to Gitmo...

just kidding :rofl:

[TheWatcher]

32. Now THAT made me laugh. :)

:spray:

You owe me a new Monitor. :)

[Human Torch]

29. I'm trying to find the part where Azzam the American discusses...

...how some of his "brothers in Islam" are slaughtering some of his OTHER "brothers" by the trainload. Slaughtering innocent women and children and you can kiss my beautiful misguided ass, "Azzam."

Suffer the consequences? Getting blown into bloody tapioca pudding by a car bomb on the way to the local market sounds like "suffering" to me. He wants to make us suffer like his "brothers?"

I do wish that George W. Bush would "abandon his unbelief and repent," though...and it doesn't have a damned thing to do with "Azzam The Asshole's" brand of "Islam." It has to do with calling himself a "Christian" primarily because it plays well in the red states.

This kind of crap makes it pathetically easy for junior to step up with another one of his "Boogeyman" speeches.

"Azzam The American can run, but he cannot hide. We have a poster from the old west, y'all: he's wanted, dead or alive. We will smoke him out of his cave..."

He may be on "a propaganda campaign for al Quaeda," but he's also lending support to Team Rove. Maybe "Azzam" IS Rove.

:tinfoilhat:

:evilgrin:

:patriot:

[bridgit]

30. rove imo does love mindless fools, they are the pliable clay of...

his sordid, nefarious arts & crafts :thumbsdown:

[saltpoint]

31. So if you join do you get a tote bag or something?

'Cuz I'm not joining nothin' unless I get a tote bag.

[bridgit]

35. my sentiment exactly, friend...

:toast:

[saltpoint]

37. Hi there, bridgit. Nice to see you tonight on DU.

And a toast right back atcha.

:toast:

[Telly Savalas]

41. Only a key chain.

You have to convert 5 other people to get the tote bag.

[saltpoint]

44. LOL!

[JI7]

33. "Azzam the American"

HAHAHHAHAHAHHA i'm sorry, but for some reason that just sounds really funny to me. almost like it's a parody on some comedy show.

[bridgit]

36. i can see him on America's Got Talent as: Azzam the Magnificent...

maybe :rofl:

[CJCRANE]

34. The muslim Ann Coulter!..nt

[durrrty libby]

38. God .............I loathe religion n/t

[orpupilofnature57]

39. Shrub showed them Fear works ,It's not a vow ,it's a way of life , Saved!

is a state of being constantly converted by god, space and time ,not vows.

[Telly Savalas]

42. The Zionist Crusader Missionaries of Hate are a lot better live

than in the studio. I'd recommend their 2 CD acoustic work "Zionist Crusader Missionaries of Hate Unplugged".

[bridgit]

43. yeah, but stay away from that boot-leg, swap meet rip...

it really blows x( :rofl:

[thecrow]

45. They must have been watching Bill Maher last night

He suggested this course of action just after "New Rules"

[bridgit]

46. good one...

:thumbsup:

[proud patriot]

47. al queda can kiss my ass

I no more want to belong to Islam than I do Christianity .

I am of Native American Faith and pinch of Pagan beliefs .

Thank You Very Much

[bridgit]

49. sadly, i think that were it to become any where near so close...

to the drivel being sputtered from each side...each & every side would be too busy counting their dead to care

[Island Blue]

48. I had to refresh my memory on Azzam

Now I remember, he's the KKKarl Rove look-alike who popped up a few days before the '04 election. No coincidence in him surfacing again two months before the '06 elections - no, not at all. BOO!

[bridgit]

50. yup, that's him alright...same ole story, Uncle Azzam Wants YOU!

x(

[bullwinkle428]

51. As opposed to "Azzhat the American", aka Drinky McDumbass! (n/t)

[bridgit]

52. "Azzhat the American" = DING! too phunny...

:rofl:

[RagAss]

53. Do I get a decoder ring?????

[Mr_Spock]

54. Waaah! Waah!

Frigging Al Qaida morons are as smart as their opposition - Bushco.

We live in a world of Neanderthal morons pretending to be civilized.

[bridgit]

60. isn't that a precious thing to know in advance...

:-)

[paparush]

55. We have our own American Taliban..thank you very much..

the religious right is whacky enough for me.

I live in rural NC. There was a 3 week..THREE WEEK...tent revival in my county that drew 50K people! OMFG!! They gathered to hear a lunatic named Rev. Ralph Sexton preach about Satan and Islam (and homosexuals, and sin and hell and fire and damnation and salvation and that'll be $50 bucks).

We went to see Matthew Fox in Asheville and there were like 200 people.

The contrast was INCREDIBLE.

My friend said, the people at the tent revival were looking for answers and they got them.

The people at the Matthew Fox presentation were asking questions.

[bridgit]

70. interesting, thank you for your post here...

:hi:

[and-justice-for-all]

57. Islam and Xtianity are so alike its sickening....

They both worship the same invisible friend and yet they want to kill each other; I say send ALL the hardcore bible thumping haters over their and let them kill each other. Anything to get it over with because I am really sick of this religion feuding bullshit!

Note to Islamist and Xtianity extremeist....YOUR ALL FUCKED IN THE HEAD!

[bridgit]

61. separate church & state now!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

69. No, that's not fair to Christianity.

I strongly dislike Christianity, but it's nowhere near as unpleasant as Islam by most measures (which is not to say there are not forms of Christianity worse than many forms of Islam).

On women's rights, gay rights, religious tolerance, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, war and peace, crime and punishment, and most other issues, most forms of Islam make most forms of Christianity look very pleasant indeed.

The reason a lot of liberal Americans share your views is because distance makes perspective and objectivity difficult - they're very used to arguing with conservative Christians, and hence when they see those same conservative Christians attacking conservative Islam they assume that the enemy of my enemy must be my friend, but it really isn't: Islam is the most unpleasant of the major world religions by a considerable margin.

Incidentally, to forestall a counterargument I often see when I point this out, when I'm talking about Islam and Christianity and other religions, I mean "as practiced by their believers", not "in some platonic form".

[ComerPerro]

74. I think you know that is all bullshit

the reason Christianity appears to be more tolerant is because in the West, we don't let religion control government. Therefore, misogynistic Christian assholes can't force their agenda on people as easily.

The Old Testament doesn't treat women with much respect at all, and I assure you that if this country was founded on the Theocracy that the fundies want, women and minorities and non-Christians would be treated very poorly.

The way we treat women and non-Christians has nothing to do with any greatness of Christianity.

You can thank secularism for that.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

75. Some points:

:-The Old Testament doesn't treat women with much respect at all.

That most of the instructions in the OT are no longer binding is one of the most important parts of the New Testament. Read http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/gaybishops.htm especially section 5. The NT's attitude to women is far from progressive, but it's nothing like as bad as either the OT or the Qu'ran; the attitudes of most actual Christians are more progressive than those of either the NT or those of most actual Muslims. See my final comment about actual beliefs, not Platonic forms; note also that even the OT is less mysogynistic than the Qu'ran (although you may wish to argue that there is no settling the precedency between a louse and a flea).


:- I assure you that if this country was founded on the Theocracy that the fundies want, women and minorities and non-Christians would be treated very poorly.

One of the differences between Islam and Christianity is that very few Christians want to live in a theocracy, whereas a relatively high proportion (I'm ashamed to say I can't quote figures) of Muslims do. Note again my comment about actual beliefs as opposed to notional platonic forms.



:-The way we treat women and non-Christians has nothing to do with any greatness of Christianity.

An overstatement (although I wouldn't refer to "less mysogynistic than Islam" as a sign of "greatness"): the treatment of women even in e.g. 17th century Europe, or indeed in almost any large Christian society ever (although there have been sects that have been as mysogynistic as anyone could wish for) was far better than it is in many Islamic societies today. Note, however, that Christianity was in the first place responsible for the (massive) inequality that did exist under it, and that it was a matter of it getting less bad rather than of it actively promoting women's rights. My claim is merely that it is (much) less anti-women's rights than Islam, not that it is pro women's rights.



:-You can thank secularism for that.

Not secularism itself, by most definitions - atheists have never wielded much social influence - but the Enlightenment that lead inevitably to secularism. But don't forget that most of the champions of the Enlightenment were Christians, albeit less devout or orthodox ones than their contemporaries. Note also that the change in the status of women is much more clearly modelled as *less* oppression than as *more* women's rights.



So no, it's not bullshit at all. Christians in the past, and still more in the present, have on average interpreted their religion as being much less mysogynistic than Muslims have.

[ComerPerro]

77. If you are gonna give me that tired garbage about "true Christians"

and get mad at me for lumping all Christians in with Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and George W Bush (admit it, they are your most vocal leaders),

then maybe first you should stop lumping Islam all together with the extremists.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

78. Please actually read what I said.

I've been explicitly *avoiding* talking about "True Christians"; *you're* the one who's been doing so by talking about the contents of the OT while I've been very explicit that what I mean by Christianity is what Christians (by which I mean "people identified by most people as Christians", not "people who live in a way I think Christ would have approved of" or similar) believe, rather than some "true" form.

I've been careful to use phrases such as "on average" when necessary to make it clear that I am not lumping all Christians or all Muslims together; if I've failed to do so at any point I apologise, but it's not through want of trying.

You're "your" is completely misplaced - I'm an atheist. I would (I hope) be considerably more circumspect about comparing Christianity and Islam if I were a Christian or a Muslim than I am from a position where I have at least the potential to try and be objective.

The claim that Phelps is a Christian leader is utterly ludicrous and makes me worry about how hard you're trying to be objective; Bush is a leader and a Christian but clearly not a Christian leader; I'm not sure about Robertson and Falwell, not being an American - they are mostly unknown here in the UK. If I wanted examples of Christian leaders I'd go with Rowan Atkinson (whose views on women's rights are fairly progressive) and with the Pope (who, while far from a feminist, is still a hell of a lot better than most Muslim leaders on women's rights).

I am not "lumping all Islam together with the extremists", alas. The sad fact is that there are whole Islamic countries where the majority of the population holds views which you and I would consider mysogynistic.

[Zhade]

87. Another point of order - "atheist" does not equal "secular".

It's a common mistake, but the fact that most believers here are for separation of church and state shows that secularism is not limited to atheists - as supported by your contention that believers linked to the Enlightenment led to secularism.

Most believers, thankfully, are also secularists.

[shadowknows69]

58. Can't I please just remain

nicely out of the Psychos of Abraham triad? I don't want any of your religions.

[MadHound]

62. Not a good sign

Traditionally it is neccessary for the Islamic warrior to offer his opponent an oppotunity to convert to Islam before attacking. bin Laden didn't do this on 911, but apparently he has been paying attention to such details now. He even acquired a fatwah against the US a while back. Now an Al-Qaeda spokesman is offering up the conversion to Islam.

I think that things are going to get ugly again, soon:shrug:

[bridgit]

63. aside from all the joking, that is a viable read as well...

[MadHound]

64. Eh?

Sorry, I'm not getting what you're talking about:shrug:

[bridgit]

67. the gist of your premise here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2038254&mesg_id=2039789 is agreed with in principle

[CJCRANE]

65. Who does this video help

apart from Bushco?

Wake up America.

[emanymton]

66. Just Another Propaganda Ploy By USA. Can You Say October ...

surprise? Your government tax dollars at work.

The mid-term elections in November have _nothing_ to do with this. So stop saying that.

[bridgit]

68. just more bfee boogety-boogety...

:scared:

[Beelzebud]

72. I'm against ALL religious nuts. Muslim, Christan and Jewish.

Imagine no religion

It's easy if you try

Nothing to kill or die for

And above, only sky

[bridgit]

73. makes sense to me...

:-)

[The Straight Story]

76. Columbus, Ohio - The Straight Story calls on Al Qaeda to

Convert your government to a democracy, seperate your church and state, give equal rights to women, and do some other shit I think you should do - or, to quote your own drivel - "either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next."

Don't make me come overe there boy and whoop your ass.

[bridgit]

89. that plan has my vote...

:patriot:

[TheFriedPiper]

79. Imagine no religion - ahhh, peace and reason

We now return you to your regularly scheduled bloodbath for Mohammed/Jesus/(insert other phony prophet here)

[kittykitty]

80. Consider what is likely to happen to Europe though, Islamification by def

default. The birth rate in Italy and other European countries is falling. People are not replicating themselves. But the immigrants in those countries have more children. If more Muslims are born than Germans, French, Italians, then they will be in the majority.

[fedsron2us]

81. Except lots of immigrants are not Muslims

which rather spoils the thesis.

[kittykitty]

82. Others would disagree

There are several books on the subject
http://www.kstrom.net/cgi-bin/afp4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=083864077X

Books : Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis,Author Bat Yeor
Publication Date: January 31, 2005
Publisher: Fairleigh Dickinson University Press

Rating: 5 out of 5 stars - Sad But True
In a few decades muslims will turn Western Europe into an islamic continent. This book goes into detail explaining why this is happening and how. The peoples of Europe deserve what ever happens to them for allowing millions of a foreign and unassailable people move into their home land. This book doesn't leave much room for optimism either. I recommend this book if you have an interest in the future of Europe or the Western World.
___________________________________________________
I neither agree nor disagree with the thesis, but pose it as something to consider

[Donald Ian Rankin]

85. It's not a view worth taking seriously.

Theses based on linear extrapolation almost never are. The assumption that, for example, since the Muslim population of Britain is *currently* increasing by X per year and the non-Muslim population by only Y per year then there will be more Muslims than non-Muslims in Britain by (N-M)/(X-Y) is bullshit of the first order.

There are many good reasons to dislike Islam, but that it is going to take over Europe is not one of them.

[Zhade]

88. Considering no one is born Muslim (or any other religion)...

...that's kind of a flawed premise.

And, of course, Arab children do not universally grow up to be Muslim any more than children in the U.S. grow up to be Christian (though in many Arab countries there are admittedly more official pressures to become Muslim).

[uppityperson]

83. my sprititual/religious beliefs are private

between me and whomever I chose to share with. Fundamentalists of all stripes are wrong in that they are fundamentalists.

[bridgit]

90. as are mine, uppityperson, so i'm hearing you here...

:-)

[SmokingJacket]

86. And why are we giving freaky loons the airplay?

Did this practice of making crazy threatening videos just spontaneously occur during the Bush era?

If so, why?

If not, why didn't we see them during the Clinton era? Could it be they existed but no one thought they needed to be broadcast?

If Gadahn is in fact involved in a propaganda campaign for Al Qaeda, why are we letting him plaster his face all over the TV? Why are we helping Al Qaeda's propaganda efforts?

Why are the news programs NOT ASKING THESE QUESTIONS?

[bridgit]

91. it's bfee boogety-boogety time...

:scared: