re: JFK . . . this deserves its own thread . . .

[OneBlueSky]

interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown, LBJ's mistress of 21 years . . .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6962062879996612313&q=duncan+brown

I just spent an hour and a half watching this compelling video . . . seems Ms. Brown was at a gathering in Dallas the evening before the assassination that was also attended by LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, John McClellan, Carlos Marcello (New Orleans mafia), H.L. Hunt, and a host of Texas power brokers . . . she says the men adjourned for a private meeting, and when LBJ returned he was very angry and told her "after tomorrow, those SOBs will never embarass be again" . . .

her story, her consistency, and her demeanor all suggest that she's telling the truth as she knows it . . . fascinating viewing that should not be missed by anyone interested in the JFK case . . .

[wakeme2008]

1. I watched half of it and found it interesting

The only problem I have with her story was the number of people in Texas that would have known about the assassination of JFK. Between Texas and DC there would have been hundreds that knew the truth. Just troubling.

[Shakespeare]

20. You know, everyone assumes that precludes a conspiracy; it doesn't.

Think of the notorious murders during the civil rights movement (take your pick, because there were many)--many, many people knew exactly who committed those murders, and they remained smugly silent about it. It's certainly possible for the same to have happened with Kennedy.

[OneBlueSky]

23. also, research the list of individuals who died mysterious deaths . . .

in the years following the assassination . . . people who had, or could have had, first-hand knowledge of what actually happened . . . it's a huge list . . .

apparently these people don't even flinch at the notion of offing someone to protect themselves . . . witness this woman's housekeeper, who inadvertently walked in on her and LBJ sharing a kiss . . . the next day she disappeared, and no one has ever solved the case . . .

[eccles12]

42. I found the ID of the meeting guests interesting, especially of Brown

of Kellog-Brown-Root.

"The group met for a party in Dallas hosted by Clint Murchison, another business tycoon with close links to the Genovese mafia, on November 21st 1963, the night before the assassination. Those present at the event included J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy, Jack Ruby, George Brown (of Brown and Root), numerous mafia kingpins, several newspaper and TV reporters, and Richard Nixon."

[eccles12]

43. I wonder who the newspaper and TV reporters were who attended that

meeting?

[zeemike]

2. I have heard about this before

I wish I did not have dial up so I could watch it,but it would take me all day to down load it.
She is just one of many witnesses that never make it to the MSM.

[eccles12]

44. Is there a complete transcript of the interview anywhere? nt

[Delphinus]

3. Hmm ...

I have to go to work but will watch when I get home.

[Sydnie]

4. Kicking so I can find it later.

thanks for the link.

[Anita Garcia]

13. ditto

[helderheid]

61. ditto

[Hangingon]

5. Sorry

This whole thing is plain BS!

[SmokingJacket]

8. Doncha just love when people call something BS

without explaining *why* it's BS?

Sorry -- "This is BS" is not a valid argument.

[hootinholler]

15. Care to elaborate on that point?

Exactly how is this BS? All we know for certain is that the Warren Commission was BS and the mid level players in that are now in power when the equally BS 9-11 commission published thier BS.

-Hoot

[wisteria]

52. Why? Your so sure, why not explain why you think this is BS. n/t

[Maccagirl]

6. She and LBJ had a son (now deceased)

and she has proof that he paid child support for him. I don't know how she can prove her claims about the gathering-but I wish she could.

[CanSocDem]

7. Time to fess up, I guess.

I can imagine that there are quite a few naive witnesses who are suddenly realizing the grave consequences of their 'polite' silence for all of these years. We can hope there are more to come.

[OneBlueSky]

18. the reason this interview is so important is that she is . . .

likely one of the few left alive (at the time of the interview; she's now deceased) who know the true story from first-hand information . . . most have died, many under suspicious circumstances, e.g. the gentleman who supposedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the neck five times with a bolt-action .22 rifle (mentioned in interview) . . .

[mdmc]

9. kick

[goclark]

10. Kick again and again

I listened to the entire thing and if she is lying , she can lie for me any day of the week.

As much as I don't want to believe what she is saying,LBJ was one of my favorites in many ways, help me understand why she would risk her life to tell this story?

[mdmc]

60. people are crazy - that could be her motivation.

if it were true, wouldn't she already be dead? I think she is tellin the truth.

:kick:

[libnnc]

11. watching it now...

...shit :scared:

[OneBlueSky]

12. one glaring omission . . . Jack Ruby was also there . . . sorry. . . n/t

.

[libnnc]

14. she just mentioned him about 3 minutes ago

[goclark]

17. Her memory was amazing and

it puts a BIG piece into the puzzle regarding how we are in the mess we are in now.

Even when we had a "LOYAL Democrat" like LBJ, money, greed and power still csrried the day.

Republicans and Democrats were in bed together then and they still are ~

Let's start with Lieberman, I will never believe that he wasn't carrying messages to GW's camp in 2000, never. Donna Brizille too.

And now, Carville, a man I adored, is sleeping with the enemy.

It's all about MONEY!

[Virginia Dare]

21. In the end they all answer to the same puppetmasters..n/t

[OneBlueSky]

16. for those with dial-up . . . here's a summary article . . .

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/300806jfk.htm

[nicknameless]

31. Thanks for this OP and for posting that link.

I tried to watch the video at the link posted yesterday, but my dial-up connection is just too sloooow.

[libnnc]

19. kick

this is amazing

[jasmeel]

22. I wonder how her son died. In the Prison Planet article it says

they were disappeared. Anyone know?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/300806jfk.htm
<Having had her own (and LBJ's illegitimate) son and nanny disappeared by Johnson's hitmen after the assassination, and upon hearing of the strange deaths of many other people connected to the events in Dealy Plaza, Brown felt that she was safer out in the light and decided to let the world hear her story.>

[OneBlueSky]

25. actually, her son died of cancer . . . but he was suing the LBJ estate . .

for $10.5 million, and that caused not a little consternation among those controlling it . . . although he had an honorable discharge (and was receiving chemo treatments), shortly before he was to go to court he was charged with desertion, arrested, and held until after the scheduled date of the hearing . . . his case was dismissed by the judge for "failure to appear" on the part of the plaintiff! . . .

[eccles12]

30. Was he LBJ's son also? nt

[OneBlueSky]

33. yes, he was . . . he sued the estate of LBJ because he thought . . .

he was entitled to a share, but he was arrested for desertion from the military shortly before he was to appear in court (he had an honorable discharge) and held until after the trial date . . . the judge dismissed the case for the plaintiff's "failure to appear" . . . he was also battling cancer at the time, and eventually succumbed to the disease . . .

on edit . . . she said in the interview that she had never intended to come forward with this information, but was really upset about the disappearance of her nanny after the nanny walked in on her and LBJ sharing a kiss/moment of intimacy . . . and after what happened to her son, she said something like "there's nothing left they can take from me" . . .

[bananarepublican]

46. RUBY WAS INJECTED WITH CANCER CELLS DURING HIS APPEAL! N/T

[goclark]

51. How did Martha Mitchell die ~ remember

how she talked "way too much" and wammo ~ cancer, right?

I'm not saying that this lady is telling the entire truth but if any of it is true, it paints a new picture of history.

Do I believe that LBJ was a ladies man -YES

Do I believe that he was a rich Texas "good ole boy?" YES

Do I believe he would be greedy and power hungry ~ yes

Do I believe that he would think that the Kennedy rich boys from the East, talking proper were SOB's --YES. Do I believe that he and his Texas buddies would have plans of their own to make more money,have more women and run this country -- sure do!

Do I believe that he would be "friends" with Nixon and J Edgar ~ of course he would!

Do I believe each and every claim that an old girlfriend says ~ hell no but I sure do believe that there is some smoke in this fire.

[windbreeze]

59. so what we have is an incredible liar???

I dunno...I bought the story she told...and when it comes to liars...she certainly doesn't have the corner on the market...especially considering how we've been lied to in the last 6 years...and how elaborate the stories have been that were used to cover what was going on...

I just know that my country, as I knew it, died the day Kennedy was killed, it changed forever, the innocence was gone...there are no words to convey my disgust....Wasn't it Johnson that said....IF the American people really knew what took place in Dallas...there would be chaos in the streets........There should have been regardless...because what we have today...is the result...
windbreeze

[bvar22]

24. I've always been troubled by Gov. Connally's comment.

He was riding in the front seat of the presidential limo, directly in front of JFK. After being struck in the back by the bullet that passed through JFK's throat, he cried out, "My God, they're going to kill us all!"

I am from the South, and have roots and family in Dallas. I am very familiar with regional colloquialisms.
When someone is hit by a bullet completely by surprise, he says something like, "My God, I've been shot!"
It is not normal to reference a "They" unless there is some foreknowlege of a "They".
It is not normal to make a reference to "kill us all" unless there was an expectation that only one would be killed!



Gov. John Connally and LBJ were tight.
I KNOW this does not PROVE a conspiracy, but it is very troubling.

[libnnc]

26. Yep. Takes on a whole new meaning now.

He knew "they" were supposed to kill some "one", he wasn't expecting to get shot. Someone was supposed to get shot that day, certainly not "all" of them.

[Frustratedlady]

27. How long ago was this interview taken?

When did Madeleine pass away? What was the cause of her death?

There was one segment where they were talking about a secretary in Lyndon's office, I believe. Did she also bear a child for him? Was the name Valachi (sp?) brought up in that segment? I remember the name, but can't remember who he was. They had a chuckle about something concerning that incident, but I couldn't catch it.

[OneBlueSky]

32. she died on June 22, 2002 . . . this was sometime before that . . .

but I would guess not long before . . . which would have put her probably in her 80s at the time of the interview . . .

I do recall hearing her talk about another "love child" during the interview, but didn't note the names . . . could have been the one you noted . . .

[Frustratedlady]

36. Thank you for that info.

I'd never heard about her or an affair with Lyndon, although that certainly wouldn't have surprised me.

When I get some time, I may go back and try to pick up that name. I think it was about 3/4 of the way thru the interview.

[lumpy]

56. Jack Valenti

supposedly had a child with a secretary who worked in Johnson's office.
Mrs. Brown names many names and what is striking about this cast of characters is how closely they are linked together, right down to Sheriff(?)Bill Decker who was present when the suspect was shot by Jack Ruby. She was Johnson's lover for over twenty years and socially met all these people connected with Johnson, Johnson's power crowd.
I remember the assasination day and followed closely the events on TV. The first thing that popped into my mind was a strong suspicion that Johnson had something to do with it. The interesting thing about the woman's interview is the connections(meetings) that Johnson had with FBI Hoover, Mafia members, Jack Ruby, Nixon, Texas power and political people, Texas oil and agra big wigs.
Lots of smoke and some embers still alive in the conspiracy that led to Kennedy's death. There is still more to be said about Robert Kennedy's assasination also, I'm sure.

[k-robjoe]

28. Grand Jury?

Does anyone know more about this?

"A grand jury decided that same year (1984) that Henry Marshall was murdered as a result of a conspiracy involving then-Vice President Johnson, his aide Clifton Carter, and Wallace. No charges were possible since all three men were by then deceased."

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/23rd_Issue/breakthru.html

[OneBlueSky]

34. in the interview, Ms. Brown mentioned someone whose name I didn't . . .

note who was at the pre-assassination gathering and who was an expert marksman who "never missed" his targets . . . she had observed him numerous times at a local shooting range that she frequented . . . not sure if it's the same person . . .

[lumpy]

57. The guy died in an auto 'accident'.

like so many Mrs. Brown knew in Johnson's crowd, suicides, disapperances, accidents.
Anyone who thinks these conspiracies 'just couldn't happen' in this country is naive. Historically, down through the ages in most countries, this is the way poltical groups retain their grasp on power.

[libnnc]

29. kick

[FoxOnTheRun]

35. You really liked that, huh?

The interview was conducted by the writer of this book
http://www.amazon.com/Elite-Serial-Killers-Lincoln-MLK/dp/0964988860/ref=sr_11_1/103-8956049-8607800?ie=UTF8

[pacalo]

37. This is so recommended. Just finished watching it.

She explains at the end that she wouldn't have spoken out had it not been for her son's death. Although he had cancer at the time of his death, I get the feeling she suspects strongly that his death was hastened. Additionally, the way her son was manhandled & discredited as a deserter by the Navy as a result of his lawsuit against LBJ's estate was reason enough for her to speak out.

The main point I've gotten from this very compelling interview, sadly, is that this country isn't run by the government but by an underground network of oil men, Mafia, & their connections for the sake of money-grabbing off the backs of taxpayers. But they need to have the appearance of the People's support to maintain power; votes cannot be stolen by unpopular politicians. That is the only small weapon we have against these dirty politicians.

[FoxOnTheRun]

38. You can hear JFK speak about this problem in this speech (mp3)

It was posted before on DU and in the thread before

Speech made by JFK before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
where he warns the press about the secret societies that are the real power in global affairs.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/jfk_secret_society_speech.htm

http://www.infowars.net/multimedia/audio/jfk_secret_society_speech.mp3

[pacalo]

40. Is it the same one here...

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2006/09/voice-from-grave_02.html

These are the words that suggest to me that JFK was courageously speaking out against the power-hungry, money-grubbing thugs who have their own agenda about the direction of this country:

"And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it’s in my control. And no official of my administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes, or to withhold from the public & the press the facts they deserve to know."

[pa28]

39. Where was George Sr?

Sounds like his invitation got lost in the mail.

[FoxOnTheRun]

41. He was probably low-midlevel CIA and learning his skills

in 1975 he was the CIA Director

[wakeme2008]

49. some ppl think he was in Dallas TOO

[GETPLANING]

45. Wow...

This woman calmly drops bombshell after bombshell in this interview. Fascinating. Thanks for posting it.

[leveymg]

47. This account has been disputed.

home.comcast.net/~dperry1943/party.html

I don't know what the truth is, but it seems to me that if Hoover were in Dallas the day before the JFK assassination, that would be pretty hard to hide.

[goclark]

50. Hoover managed to hide his sexual behavior

for all those years to the general public.

He was the head of the FBI, if anybody could be covered it would be J. Edgar. I'm sure he could have gone to Mars and "nobody " would have known.

I also know this too has been disputed but I have read an account that he was African American and that the census records were erased "for security reasons" of course ~~~~.

I am African American and even as a little girl I always thought he looked like he was one of us.

Someone wrote a book about it, of course the MSM would not discuss that book, but I can tell you that it was common knowledge in the DC area for my people.

[rman]

53. Of course it's disputed.

Government involvement in the assassination is disputed. The theory of evolution is disputed.
The fact that it is disputed in and of itself doesn't mean a thing.

[leveymg]

55. Let's discuss the merits of the two propositions, then.

I'm not invested in either one, but am interested in any factual or speculative point you want to make.

:hi:

My initial point is one of circumstance. Seems unlikely the Director could hide a fact like his presence in Dallas the day before the assassination. Care to repond?

BTW - Hoover's peculiar relationship with Tolson was an open secret in Washington at the time.

[rman]

62. To have power means to have power to cover shit up.

[lfairban]

48. I googled Madeleine Duncan Brown

The first link I came up with was this:

http://home.comcast.net/~dperry1943/browns.html

written by David B. Perry. The most relevant part is half way down, right after the geocities link.

[wisteria]

54. Apparently, this all does discredit her as a reliable source.

What do you think, fantasy or money motive?

[lfairban]

58. Don't know.

Depends on who you believe, Madeleine Duncan Brown or David B. Perry.

[goclark]

63. Yes, could David B. Perry want some $$'s too?

Who knows.

I'm sure that she had access to a lot of information.
Especially when they were all drinking and didn't watch what they were saying.

Girlfriends can hear a lot of stuff that even wives don't hear sorry to say.

Her memory is sure to be faulty on some issues/dates/times/places.

If someone asked me about a party that I went to in 1964, I would have a difficult time remembering one party from the other and who was there.

Even if she got some of the facts wrong, she was sure about a lot!

This is coming from goclark who believed that it was only Poppy and the NeoCons that "helped" get JFK killed that sad day.

To think that a DEMOCRAT that he trusted could be involved in anyway is a shocker!

Now, the lesson that we should learn from that is to realize that the Democrats and the Republicans power brokers are all buddies, that is why this congress is a mess.

Power corrupts absolutely and Absolute Power absolutely corrupts even the best of them.

We are operating in an "Absolute Power Mode" with Bush.