Don't like science? Then don't use its results.

[kineneb]

After hearing and reading of the fundie "War on Science", I got to thinking (always dangerous, :evilgrin:).

Don't like science? How about the products of the scientific process?

So...

Don't like science?
-Hand me the keys to your car. There are lots of scientific developments that made the modern auto possible. Sorry; your horse is over there.

Don't like science?
-Hand over all your medicines, and take Aunt Bea off the life support. All of modern medicine has been made possible by the scientific process. And that dialysis machine to which cousin Fred is attached...time to start planning his funeral. If you want a medieval world, you have to start living in it. And if little Jimmy gets sick, you can't take him to the doctor, since the doc uses all that evil scientific knowledge to help heal. Hope little Jimmy makes it with just herbs.

Don't like science?
-Hand over the microwave oven, that gas range with electronic ignition, the coffee maker with the electronic timer, and all those other fancy kitchen gadgets. I have some glass bowls, wooden spoons, and a wood stove waiting for you. And plastic container, hand them over, too.

Don't like science?
-Hand over the TV, VCR, Tivo, PDA, you computer, the stereo, radio, cell phones, and all the fun electronic gadgets. No dice, you don't get to keep them. Oh, and we are unplugging your phone, cable/dish, gas and electric service. Too much science involved in their development. Here are some candles.

Don't like science?
-I have a free pass to visit the Amish, so you can learn how to live without modern conveniences. But it may take a while, since your horse only gets about 20 miles per day.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy your stay in the New Middle Ages. I expect that your stay will be unpleasantly shortened.

(ed to add word, not enough coffee)

[MountainLaurel]

1. Bravo

:applause:

[acmavm]

2. They may not like science but they will avail themselves of its use

when it's expedient or convenient.

You see, they'd have to have real principals, real courage of their convictions to abstain from using the products and cures and conveniences that science produces. And you know that they are gutless opportunists.

[CJCRANE]

3. You tell 'em !!!

[EstimatedProphet]

4. Hear hear!

That's an argument I use too. Science is the product of applying a scientific method, and criticizing one of those products just because you don't like the outcome is the same thing as saying the method is bad. So if you think science is bad, give up your benefits from it.

[Ezlivin]

5. Don't want to kill an embryo? Identify one with your unaided eye

Believe that life begins at conception? Prove it with your unaided senses.

[KittyWampus]

6. Hand over all your medicines? Huge number of "scientific" breakthroughs

in medicine involve using botanical and biological sources that have been used for thousands of years.

[kineneb]

9. ah, but...

Those breakthroughs used scientific tools and expirementation...can't use those evil ideas.
:sarcasm:

I am just pointing out the total hypocrisy of the fundy "thought" on science.

[NOLADEM]

7. AMEN...Kicked and Nominated

So true.

So true.

Any repuke shouting against science should be asked if his kids are vaccinated, if they were born at home, if they have ever seen a doctor or dentist, and if they would call for an ambulance during a heart attack, or if they would just call the church and have Papa Pedophile come over and exorcise the clot.

I have said it before and I will say it again...Religion is society's appendix. Replaced by Government and Science and needed no longer, it will infect and kill its host while serving no needed purpose.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

8. And while we're at it, Brother Falwell

next time the fluid builds up in your corpulent, venomous, hate-filled gasbag, asshat self, no going to the hospital where one of those "evil Muslim" doctors might save your stinking life. Besides, "Dr." Falwell, you'd rather be in Heaven anyway, wouldn't you? Time to trundle your nasty bulk off to Jesus!

:rofl:

[whiterabbit76]

10. Very well said!

I couldn't agree more!

[sutz12]

11. Oh, come on now....

A good horse can make 30 to 40 miles a day.....easy.

:sarcasm:

[kineneb]

14. but those distances would kill the poor creature

If Gitalong the Horse is your only long-distance transportation, you want to be nice to him. 20 miles/day is just about as much as a normal horse can do.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. But They Will Say It Was God's Will For Those Things To Exist.

They'll claim that God gave man the ability to invent such things so they are all ok.

[Cerridwen]

29. Including abortion?

That always throws 'em a bit.

:evilgrin:

[Jensen]

13. This post made me so happy!!!!

I know now I'm NOT loosing my mind! Here is my story...
I had a argument with my neighbor the other day, this person is a minister, he had a heart bi-pass a few years back and is totally against stem cell research and told me so with out me asking, he went on about the sinners who would want stem cell research to continue.

I asked him if he would be willing to raise some snow flake babies before those fertile eggs get trash or if he was available to give them a sermon pryor burial at his expense?? Of course he went back and forth about life science which amounted to a NO after all he is 70 years old.
So, my answer to him was when the big heart attack hit him he of course prayed first and then dialed 911 to attain help and his heart bi-pass!!! He now does not speak to me and I actually feel SAVED!

[kineneb]

15. we can't "cherrypick" the scientific process

If the fundies had their way, many areas of scientific research in the US would be closed off, and new developments completely stopped. This, while the rest of the world continued on with these new avenues of research, leaving us behind in the dustbin of history.

[bluerum]

18. You speak as if that isn't happening right now!

[kineneb]

25. that is the problem,

Scientific work has been leaving the US for some time.

[Jensen]

28. You are so right about "cherri picking" but they really believe they

can and is up to each one of us to put it in personal ways, maybe then they will understand but I doubt it!

[TechBear_Seattle]

16. "Your horse only gets about 20 miles per day"

Assuming that you have only a moderate amount of food and camping equipment carried in your panniers (no modern hotels for you, what with electric lights and air conditioning and hot water and in-room movies.) A horse with a fully loaded wagon might make 8 or 9 miles a day.

[kineneb]

24. I was assuming one rider, minimal baggage.

With baggage, the distances are, of course, shorter. Around here, the old stage stops were placed 15 miles apart. And of course, no AC at your average stage stop. Maybe a bowl of water to wash with. Really high-tech oil lamps if you are lucky.

[leeroysphitz]

17. My 20 mo. old son recently had surgery...

His doctor is one of the best in the nation at pediatric craniofacial issues. She has the benefit of two thousand years of medical scientific study.

If, before the surgery she had said "Don't worry the LORD will guide my hand." my wife and I would have taken our child as far from her as possible and I bet that even the most devout true believers of any faith would do the same.

[The2ndWheel]

19. Don't forget

those things also contribute to the consumption and population issues we have. But who wants to question any of it? To do so would lead to the deaths of billions around the world, probably including the questioner.

By the way, I've done many of the things on your list. Not all of them, but never said I was perfect.

Want to travel? Here's an idea, use those two legs that evolved, but then the vast majority of people don't like evolution. They know it happens, but they don't like it.

[kineneb]

21. I'm not saying we couldn't do without some stuff

But that the people who complain the loudest about "evil science" are those who probably benefit greatly from it, and would be unwilling to do without. Modern science allows my husband to live- he is on dialysis.

Hey, we don't have a TV, and our stereo is old enough to buy its own drinks, but it still works. Some of my shop tools are older than me (which makes them 50+ years old), as is my vacuum cleaner.

[benddem]

20. all the congress persons

senators and * should be required to sign a pledge. If a cure for a disease is found using embryonic stem cells and they are afflicted with that disease...that they will not use the treatment.
That goes for Falwell, Coultergeist, Limbaugh, and Hannity.

[Fleshdancer]

22. ha!

That's the argument I make for people who are anti-tax. Don't want to pay any taxes? Ok then. Give the rest of us your public education back. House on fire? Don't call our firefighters. Don't drive on our roads or call our police if you need help.

:D

[yorkiemommie1]

23. good bumpersticker

gets the point across.

[Buzz Clik]

26. They like science just fine -- they can't tolerate opposing views.

• Don't dissent about the war.
  
• You must love the President.
  
• "Support the troops" means shut the f*ck up.
  
• Sacrifice all your personal liberties if the Prez says so.
  
• In the context of abortion and fetal stem cell research, every life is precious. Not so in other contexts.
  
• People who believe in evolution are secular Darwinists, not scientists.

I have no sympathy for willful ignorance.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

27. You have to take off that modern manufactured clothing, too

with all that scientifically designed synthetic cloth produced on scientifically designed looms. No shoes with scientifically designed components, either, and no scientifically manufactured hats to protect you from the sun on your journey.

Oh, and you have to store the water for your journey in a leather bota, because that thermos is right out. Scientifically designed, don't ya know.

[Cerridwen]

30. Go for the money. Don't forget credit cards (plastic), ATM cards

(plastic) and only "valuable" using technology.

Stocks and bonds? Any technology, manufacturing, medicine, etc. in that portfolio?

Cold hard cash? Oops, printed on large machines using the latest technology.

Soap? Lotion? Deodorant? Tooth paste? Only if you made it over your cook fire using ingredients you've gathered yourself.

Food? Hee, hee, hee, did you grow it yourself organically? Where'd you get the seeds?

[kineneb]

31. ewwww

Stinky fundies with bad teeth on horseback, in dirty old clothes. Uck. (pokes out mind's eye)

[Cerridwen]

33. LOL. So sorry for the visual. n/t

[Ravenseye]

32. It's not just the fundies

There are a few people here on DU who could stand a refresher course on the basics of science and rational thought. There are a few people even here on DU who seem to cherrypick sometimes. Science isn't a belief system, and it's non-partisan.

[Cerridwen]

34. The difference being,

many of the ones here at DU are not against science as they are against the application of science as practiced by monied, political and "religious" institutions interested more in consumerism and social control than science.

The "fundies" have stated they don't believe in the scientific process. Here at DU, it's usually a question of the motive behind promotion of the science in question.

edit: clarity (I hope)

[kineneb]

35. kicking for the afternoon crowd, enjoy!