KKKarl's father was gay? Who knew?

[chefgirl]

I dont know if this has been posted yet, but I just read it on Huffington and my mouth dropped open. Sure does explain a lot:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-closets-of-karl-and-k_b_28669.html

..."Maybe Rove has a desire to get back at his father for leaving his mother when he "chose" to be gay. Or perhaps he is fighting his own homo-erotic impulses. His description of George Bush the first time they met goes a bit beyond a geek's admiration of the cool guy quarterback:

"I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, complete with the - in Texas you see it a lot - one of the back pockets will have a circle worn in the pocket from where you carry your tin of snuff, your tin of tobacco. He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have."

Wow. Did anyone else know this?

-chef-

[bluestateguy]

1. His mother offed herself too

nt

[chefgirl]

5. Well, yeah, I knew that

I knew his mother committed suicide, but I've never heard this about his father. Blew me away.

And another tidbit from that post:

"Louis and Reba Rove's marriage fell apart in 1969 during Karl's senior year of high school in Utah. Rove told us it was somewhat of a mystery but his father came home Christmas Eve and then returned to Los Angeles where he had taken a job as a geologist with Getty Oil. The family was supposed to move to LA with Louis at the end of the year. "But for whatever reason, that didn't happen," Rove told us. "My mother, who was very good at explaining things without explaining them, said it was not going to happen."
"Karl seems to have inherited this particular talent from his mother. What he told us was fundamentally true; what he didn't tell us was the most important part of the story. Louis Rove had informed his wife that he was gay and that he was coming out of the closet and wanted a divorce. After he retired from his job in LA, Louis Rove moved to Palm Springs and befriended other retired gay men. He drank and socialized at the Rainbow Cactus and the Martini Burger and became part of a group of gay men who referred to themselves as "The Old Farts Club"

-chef-

[Bozita]

2. Maybe in one of those intimate moments, Jeff Gannon heard ...

... the raspy whisper of Karl.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Lala posted this story here yesterday when Raw Story broke it.

[beam me up scottie]

10. How exactly did rs "break" this story?

:eyes:

Did they forget who wrote the book this came from?

[Jackpine Radical]

They broke the story about the book.

[beam me up scottie]

17. Really? Before Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Architect-Karl-Master-Absolute-Power/dp/0307237923

[Jackpine Radical]

34. Hell, I don't know, I don't care, I don't have a dog in this race.

My original point was just that the story had already been splashed all over DU a day before this post turned up.

[Erika]

4. So he's got gay issues to face?

And he can't tell if they are human, or what is the deal?

[chefgirl]

9. Probably something like that

This post on Huffington also speculates about Ken Mehlman.

I guess its just another one of those idiosyncracies that Republicans seem to share - gay bashing while being gay. :shrug:

-chef-

[idgiehkt]

6. I thought it was a stepdad...

might have him mixed up with someone else though.

[TomInTib]

8. You are correct.

But his relationship with his step-father had a huge impact on him.

No links, just old Texas scuttlebutt.

[TomInTib]

7. Sicko begats sick...

This was long known in Austin..

Karl was always hanging out at the tranny bar on Lamar..

[chefgirl]

11. Again...

WOW.

And yes, it was a stepfather, but in KKKarl's words:

"In an interview with Wayne Slater and myself after he had guided the first Bush victory, Rove emphasized that he did not consider Louis his stepfather. "I don't call him Louis," he explained. "He's my father, my adopted father."

-chef-

[idgiehkt]

12. was the dad a criminal or mentally ill

or was he just homosexual?

[beam me up scottie]

14. Are you saying his stepdad was a sicko because he was gay?

And how would a gay step parent "begat" a gay step child?

[TomInTib]

18. Nope. Just twisted Karl up a little..

Think about it..

Playground pusharound and just seething and waiting to get even.

[beam me up scottie]

19. I know people who's parents were openly homosexual when they were kids.

It didn't "twist" them up.

Quite the opposite, actually.

[chefgirl]

24. I agree

Actually, I think the argument could be made that 'openly homosexual' is far more healthy for the children than the situation that Karl Rove experienced with his father.

I think it probably had more to do with the father picking up and leaving out of the clear blue, and Karl finding out the real reason much later, that could 'have twisted him up' a little. Sounds like a little bit of repressed rage to me.

-chef-

[TomInTib]

26. OK, I give in... Karl is as Kool as it gets..

Sick Motherfucking-eats-its-own-shit-and fucks-its-own-mother kind of cool.

I am just all over myself getting over his gay step-father and whatever that had on his psyche and the motherfuckinglonggone future of our poor fuckedup Nation.

Tom

[Erika]

29. But he got the right wing anti/gay fundies to vote for W

Yeah, he's got issues.

[TomInTib]

31. Slap my ass, Baby

with cupped hand...

make it count..

Yeah, he's got issues.

[beam me up scottie]

32. uh, right.

'Cuz that was my point.

It had absolutely nothing to do with scapegoating gays.

:eyes:

[Erika]

30. He knew that getting the fundies to vote w because of the gay

issue was a damn good payback. He probably jacked off big time by the thought.

[salvorhardin]

16. How progressive of you

:eyes:

[TomInTib]

20. I used to hang out at the same place

I think the name of the club was "Daddy's".

Yeah, I am somewhat "progressive".

Karl was a frequent flier.

Sorry if I somehow offended your sensibilities.

Maybe I should keep the things I know to myself.

[Erika]

13. So KKK Rove sought out the religious far right as a payback

against his gay step father? Get them out to vote and do away with any decent treatment of gays?

KKK does have issues indeed.

[MADem]

22. He waited till the man was dead before he started attacking gays NT

[Erika]

23. He looks the type.

Soft, pudgy, get others to carry on his fight. I didn't know about this issue and its really sick.

[jazzjunkysue]

33. Parents never die. If anything, their effects get stronger with years.

If it was eating away at him, then time is irrelevant.

This is really interesting.

Let's keep this going. Anything to chip away at the texas/xtian image. * is from Connecticut.

[Kiouni]

15. wow, I didn't

know this either

[MADem]

21. I had heard this about his stepfather some time ago

The continuing mystery is his BIOLOGICAL father, who he didn't KNOW was his father until he was past his formative years. He supposedly met the man when he was in his forties. Is he still alive?

It's not really a bombshell. The AGNOSTIC bit took me by surprise, though.

And most who did not know about this will be struck by the HYPROCRISY. He courts the religious, though he is agnostic, and bashes the gays, though he had a close and loving relationship with his gay stepfather, who he didn't know WAS his stepfather as a youngster.

[Erika]

25. KKK uses the right wing as his tools for personal issues

How sad. He chose to politicize rather than getting actual help. He's a pathetic whore who wishes to blame others.

[chefgirl]

27. LOL...that too

I was thinking something like, just another cold blooded, reptilian Republican. :shrug:

-chef-

[Erika]

28. KKK is more like a polliwog with issues

than a reptile. I think about KKK Rove and Mary Cheney and how they seem, by their actions, to absolutely hate gays. They like hate? They hate themselves or what?