Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

PAKISTAN: OSAMA FREE TO LIVE PEACEFUL LIFE (Clinton's Fault?)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:37 PM
Original message
PAKISTAN: OSAMA FREE TO LIVE PEACEFUL LIFE (Clinton's Fault?)
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 05:42 PM by kpete
This has GOT TO BE Clinton's Fault!!!

Bin Laden Gets a Pass from Pakistan
September 05, 2006 5:41 PM

Brian Ross and Gretchen Peters Report:

Osama bin Laden, America's most wanted man, will not face capture in Pakistan if he agrees to lead a "peaceful life," Pakistani officials tell ABC News.

The surprising announcement comes as Pakistani army officials announced they were pulling their troops out of the North Waziristan region as part of a "peace deal" with the Taliban.

If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden "would not be taken into custody," Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, "as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen."

.................

"They're throwing the towel," said Alexis Debat, who is a Senior Fellow at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant. "They're giving al Qaeda and the Taliban a blank check and saying essentially make yourselves at home in the tribal areas," Debat said.

more at:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/bin_laden_gets_.html
via: Raw Story
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. Will Dubya now declare Pakistan a terrorist state?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. After he's given them BILLIONS of our tax dollars? Good question! NT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. I think he was being facetious.
And they don't get billions of U.S. tax dollars.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Yes they do. You're in error. Check out table 1 in this document
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IB94041.pdf#search=%22Pakistan%22

What, you think Monkey wrote Pervez a PERSONAL check?

and read these plain facts on page three:

Pakistan is among the world’s leading
recipients of U.S. aid, obtaining some $2.63
billion in direct U.S. assistance
for FY2002-
FY2005, including $1 billion in security related
aid. Pakistan also has received billions
of dollars in reimbursement for its support of
U.S.-led counterterrorism operations. See also
CRS Report RL32259, Terrorism in South
Asia; and CRS Report RL32615, Pakistan’s
Domestic Political Developments.




9/11 Commission Recommendations. The 9/11 Commission Report (July 2004)
identified the government of President Musharraf as the best hope for stability in Pakistan
and Afghanistan, and it recommended that the United States make a long-term commitment
to provide comprehensive support for Islamabad so long as Pakistan itself is committed to
combating extremism and to a policy of “enlightened moderation.” In the Intelligence
Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (P.L. 108-458), Congress broadly endorsed
this recommendation by calling for U.S. aid to Pakistan to be sustained at a minimum of
FY2005 levels and requiring the President to report to Congress a description of long-term
U.S. strategy to engage with and support Pakistan. A November 2005 follow-on report by
Commissioners gave a “C” grade to U.S. efforts to support Pakistan’s anti-extremism
policies and warned that the country “remains a sanctuary and training ground for terrorists.”


The 05 levels were in excess of seven hundred million.

In FY 02 alone, they got a billion, one hundred and fifty one point eight million.

You think Musharref joined our crew out of the goodness of his heart? :rofl:

He was looking for payday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Ya, Right, that will happen.
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 05:49 PM by Higans
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. We need to keep an eye on Pakistan and Afganistan
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #1
33. Pakistan has been a terrorist state since August 14, 1947
They are a terrorist state and I don't need Dubya or any state department official to declare it for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
2. The Taliban back in power completely.
This is disgusting. And OBL still on the loose to boot.

Republicans are so weak on security it makes me want to scream. Pathetic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. Taliban is now in Pakistan
...before 911, it was just in Afghanistan. Now Taliban controls parts of Pakistan, a country with nukes.

Great foreign policy, Dubya.

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
3. What ever happened to bushco's coalition?????
Coalition member nations have been bailing out one after the other.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Small payments? The Coalition of the BILLING not getting paid enough? NT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #6
32. A guess a billion dollars doesn't buy much in bushco's world
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Well, they took the money, pretended they were working and having
fun, and as soon as the checks cleared and it was apparent they couldn't squeeze any more out of us suckers, they bailed. They figure there's no sense sitting on a pile of cash if ya aren't gonna live to spend it, I'm guessing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
5. Imagine georgie today.
After all his HARD WORK talking to the public today, mentioning Pakistan's assistance curtailing terrorism...

Crikey!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sable302 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
9. Ouch
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 05:47 PM by sable302
That's gotta hurt. Looks like october surprise was preemted by september
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
12. If the Dems can't make hay with this nugget
I mean - this is a gift on a platter with an apple in its mouth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #12
30. I agree. If they can't use this, they are incompetent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:03 PM
Response to Original message
13. Keith Just Mentioned This On Countdown
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 07:04 PM by kpete
Fineman - if true BIG HOLE in Bush's War On Terror - HA HA HA
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
14. Very peaceful, directing where proceeds from Afghanistum opium will go.
Terrorist funding.

You can bet that Pakistan will get a nice little kickback from all that drug money, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:17 PM
Response to Original message
15. Thanks to Bush
He chose to invade Iraq for its oil rather than hunt down Osama and the Taliban. Those were his priorities, he has to live with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:17 PM
Response to Original message
16. See that part, stupid RW intel machine? Pakistan (a nuclear nation)
made a 'peace deal' with the Taliban. Register that you fucking RW wankers. Try a little critical thinking and see what you come up with. Foreign policy? You mean shooting people with a gun, right? :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
18. Shouldn't we go to war with Pakistan?
Since they are harbouring terrorists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
19. So is ABC still gonna air "The Path to 911" incorrectly blaming Clinton?
hmm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:19 PM
Response to Original message
20. Seems like everybody's telling Li'l boots
to stuff it these days.:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:49 PM
Response to Original message
21. Most sentient humans already knew where he was--
but it's pretty goddamn interesting hearing a Pakistani Major General admit that the government has no interest in capturing him. Thank God Pakistan is our ally in the Global War On Terror, is all I can say.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Why should Pakistan try to hunt down Osama?
Has Osama done anything to harm Pakistan? A large part of the Pakistan population are pro Taliban and al Q. Should the Pakistan Govt.continue to alienate their own population for the benefit of the US Govt.?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. Perfectly reasonable points.
But if they've basically given asylum to the guy who allegedly attacked us on 9/11, should we be giveng them billions in aid and selling them high tech weaponry?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
22. Waziristan province now is Talibanistan
The Pakistanis have basically surrendered this province to the Taliban. They'll use it now as a safe zone from the US troops in Afghanistan. Hmmm... sounds a lot like the Soviet Union's debacle from the 1980's, doesn't it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
23. well, Mr Bin Laden....
....should be approaching retirement age....I can see it all now....a cozy little bi-level cave with hot and cold running springs and a large dart-board with the picture of Bush pasted on it....'bring it on', sounds pretty good....

....the grandkids could even visit during the summer months....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PresidentWar Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:06 PM
Response to Original message
25. Because Pakistan doesn't want to slit it's own throat.
Mushareff and the crew know damn well what an icon BinLaden is to this Muslim country, and that being accomplices to his capture or execution would be the same as overthrow for them all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. I wonder what this has to do with it
Pakistan, India Get Green Light to Buy U.S. Fighter Jets

Wade Boese

The Bush administration March 25 announced its willingness to sell advanced fighter aircraft to India and Pakistan, reversing 15 years of U.S. policy to deny Islamabad such arms because of its nuclear weapons ambitions. The decision came shortly after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited South Asia in a bid to further cultivate the two countries.

Asserting that U.S. arms sales to the nuclear rivals would not upset the regional military balance, administration officials said March 25 that they would negotiate with Pakistan about its long-standing request for F-16 fighters, which can be modified to deliver nuclear weapons. The officials also said U.S. manufacturers of the F-16 and F/A-18E/F combat aircraft would be permitted to compete for India’s tender for 125 new fighters.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005_05/FighterJets.asp


Or this:
http://tinyurl.com/zs49x

Where the "Great Game" in Afghanistan was once about czars and commissars seeking access to the warm water ports of the Persian Gulf, today it is about laying oil and gas pipelines via the untapped petroleum reserves of Central Asia, a region previously dominated by the former Soviet Union, with strong influence from Iran and Pakistan. Studies have placed the total worth of oil and gas reserves in the Central Asian republics at between $3 and $6 trillion.

Who has access to that vast sea of oil? Right now the only existing export routes from the Caspian Basin lead through Russia. U.S. oil companies have longed dreamed of their own pipeline routes that will give them control of the oil and gas resources of the Caspian Sea. Likewise, the U.S. government also wants to dominate Central Asian oil in order to reduce dependency on resources from the Persian/Arabian Gulf, which it cannot control. Thus the U.S. is poised to challenge Russian hegemony in a new version of the "Great Game."

Construction of oil and natural gas export pipelines through Afghanistan was under serious consideration during the Clinton years. In 1996, Unocal -- one of the world's leading energy resource and project development companies -- won a contract to build a 1,005-mile oil pipeline in order to exploit the vast Turkmenistan natural gas fields in Duletabad. The pipeline would extend through Afghanistan and Pakistan, terminating in Multan, near the India border. Where the "Great Game" in Afghanistan was once about czars and commissars seeking access to the warm water ports of the Persian Gulf, today it is about laying oil and gas pipelines via the untapped petroleum reserves of Central Asia, a region previously dominated by the former Soviet Union, with strong influence from Iran and Pakistan. Studies have placed the total worth of oil and gas reserves in the Central Asian republics at between $3 and $6 trillion.

Who has access to that vast sea of oil? Right now the only existing export routes from the Caspian Basin lead through Russia. U.S. oil companies have longed dreamed of their own pipeline routes that will give them control of the oil and gas resources of the Caspian Sea. Likewise, the U.S. government also wants to dominate Central Asian oil in order to reduce dependency on resources from the Persian/Arabian Gulf, which it cannot control. Thus the U.S. is poised to challenge Russian hegemony in a new version of the "Great Game."

Construction of oil and natural gas export pipelines through Afghanistan was under serious consideration during the Clinton years. In 1996, Unocal -- one of the world's leading energy resource and project development companies -- won a contract to build a 1,005-mile oil pipeline in order to exploit the vast Turkmenistan natural gas fields in Duletabad. The pipeline would extend through Afghanistan and Pakistan, terminating in Multan, near the India border.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Osama has made the Pakistani Govt. Rulers wealthy.
By playing the game with the Busholini Regime wealth has been increased. Both Busholini and the War Profiteers and Musharef and his gang have made millions via Osama and al Q. Thank cards with roses have been sent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. See post 11--our tax dollars have been headed there by the billions
It was all a con game, as far as Pervez was concerned. Smile, take the check. Smile, take the next check. Cash the checks....pretend to look for a six foot five inch guy dragging a dialysis machine behind him! :rofl:

And no one, for some reason, ever bothered to mention or explain exactly why HIS flavor of "dictator" is somehow better than other dictators....guess the Pakistanis just aren't "freedom loving peoples."

Of course, they have a nuke to wave in our faces if we tried to pull that 'freedom loving' shit...!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
28. This is really distressing
How many times did the Frat Boy say this week that we are winning the war on terror?

Of course, I've stopped listening to the liar-in-chief, but this makes it sound like we are definitely losing the war on terror.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
29. What? no one remembers how Bush mocked Pakistan
With his public devotion with India?

No one thought that Pakistan might be a little pissed over the situation?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC