Questions about Joe Wilson

[cushla_machree]

Does anyone else find it wierd that we haven't really heard much about this issue for awhile, and now it is all over the place?

Could it mean that Fitz is coming out with something soon?

The claims that bother me most about the media and get peddled by right wingers are:

1. Wilson's orginal report supported the WMD claim, and then he backpeddled and claimed his trip debunked it.

2. Wilson wasn't sent on an official trip, his wife just sent him and he never gave a full report on his return. (indected by cheney's notes wondering why a retired ambassador was sent and wondering if they normally do that)

3. It was Wilson who leaked her name. Her name was only printed by 1 journalist (novak) and then he 'screamed' to other journalists. BAsically, no one would have remembered her name if wilson hadn't been making a big deal about it.


Claim number three really bothers me. It's usually used in conjunction with she put herself on the cover of vanit fair, wilson was runninging around washington saying her name, etc

It seems like these claims are the only ones being heard in the media, and its hard to find anything to the contrary. From what i thought, the CIA approved wilson's trip, even if it was arranged by Valerie.

But then the media is claiming that the CIA does not operate that way. Like somehow, it was out of order that wilson was sent and not a CIA operative. After reading David Corn's piece, wouldn't plame have the ability to send people she had picked that she knew was trustworthy and had experience in those areas?

I have never seen evidence that shows wilson backpeddled on his orginal claims, and i find it ludicrous to assume that it's wilsons fault that her name was all over the press when it was the white house who released her name to journalists. Has anyone else had any luck debunking these claims of right wingers?

[Catherine Vincent]

1. That's your problem right there.

Claims by right wingers is a lost cause.

[cushla_machree]

2. Its just wierd

How certain they are that is is wilson's fault, all evidence to the contrary.

[Webster Green]

4. Yeah, they call him a liar......so where's the yellow cake?

This is a pretty good example of how a free press is critical to democracy.

Time to tear down the fascists' propaganda machine!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

17. Why is it weird? They lie about everything.

What media do you read/watch/hear that only makes such false
claims and nothing to the contrary? Maybe that's the problem.

[havocmom]

3. .

:popcorn:

[MissB]

5. Double serving, please.

:popcorn:

[cushla_machree]

6. Is that supposed to be funny?

[immoderate]

7. I'm guessing that they didn't read the post carefully.

Chill.

On edit, let me add that AFAIK, while the right wingers claim she sent him on this mission, she only recommended him for the trip. She had no authority to initialize the operation. His resume makes him the most qualified person for this trip.

--IMM

[havocmom]

8. Or 'they ' could be heading out and wanna get back to this one

But, the knee jerk reaction of other poster does intrigue me even further. :evilgrin:

[cushla_machree]

12. People are rude around here

Just something i have noticed. I don't know if its just the extra four years of BushCo. has made them all pissy, but i see it all the time. One of the reasons i rarely post. At least Freepers tell each other 'ditto.'

Here all you get is snide remarks for honest questions. Though i apologize if it was knee-jerk. You gotta have tough skin around her now. The fact that a lot of people are asking, might mean:

1. Its a hot topic

2. The media is confusing and its hard to find straight answers.

One would think that DU would be a place that would welcome these discussions, not the case more and more. I guess we should defer to the 'elites' over here.

[immoderate]

13. I misread this at first, so I figured others might.

On second read I saw OP was asking for debunk references. Apologies to anyone misreading my intention.

--IMM

[MissB]

9. The Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame

thing has been hashed and rehashed here. Obviously the OP doesn't have search capabilities, but it is rather tiring to hear someone ask once again how to debunk the Republican claims on the Wilson/Plame issue.

[cushla_machree]

11. Here is an idea

Don't read it then.

[MissB]

14. Grab a star for a small donation to DU.

Then you can use the search feature and get all the old discussions where we've hashed and rehashed. DU has a wealth of information.

I assumed you had a new question about Joe Wilson, not the same old tired ones. :D

[cushla_machree]

20. thanks (there are no such things as stupid questions)

Sorry, i have dialup in a rural area, i don't always have time to search through old postings. I need to get the search feature, but money is tight, i just had all my memberships expire. Gotta love the straight out of college, insurancem loans and credit card bill debts to pay without a full time job. :argh:

[baldguy]

10. All three assertions are false.

1. His original report said the Niger story was baseless.

2. Dick Cheney sent him to Niger.

3. Novak exposed an active CIA agent, threatening her life and the lives of everyone who had ever worked with her. This administration coordinated the exposure of her identity. This is an act of treason which threatens America's national security.

Joe Wilson was simply trying to defend his wife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Wilson#_note-wilsonoped

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[H2O Man]

16. A couple options:

You might want to go to a bookstore, or to your local library, and get a copy of Ambassador Wilson's book, "The Politics of Truth." After you read it, you will be in a good position to decide if you find him to be an honest man who is accurate in his telling his version of the scandal.

Also, read Isikoff & Corn's book. It promises to reveal important parts of the puzzle.

Finally, go to the DU Research Forum, and look through the series of court documents from the Libby case. Between the three of these, you should find the answers to your questions. It's a fascinating case, and the public should take the opportunity to be informed on it.

[OzarkDem]

18. What was unusual

was that the WH was "stovepiping" intelligence data from the CIA. The experienced people at the CIA didn't think the intelligence about Iraq purchasing Niger yellowcake was credible. They didn't think the source was good or the information worth acting on.

The unusual part was the Bush admin cherrypicking intelligence to bolster their case, against the advice of the CIA. The fact that Cheney chose to send Wilson to further investigate the claims is unusual only in that Cheney was trying to make the story about yellowcake seem credible when it wasn't.

I also still find it surprising that Cheney took that kind of risk, in sending Wilson when he had to know the story would be discredited.

[DemReadingDU]

19. here is link to research forum about Plamegate

"Stop the Bleeding" has done an excellent job of keeping it maintained with court documents and other research info.

Not sure, but you might need to make a small donation to DU in order to read the research forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=358&topic_id=3589