Bush Speech. East Wing - Red Carpet entrance. 09-06-06

[Solly Mack]

Set up so people see him walk down the hall... on a red carpet... as he approaches the podium. Hall lined in flags. (blech)

Starts in 3 minutes

[OzarkDem]

1. That's ridiculous looking

Not even Raygun set up the East Wing hallway like that. Terra! Terra! Terra!

[Solly Mack]

3. Exactly...staged...and very silly

[Solly Mack]

2. walking down hallway...looking smug as usual

Greeting his staff, Congress and families of the dead (911)

Recounting the nearly 3k dead on September 11th

"We've entered a new world"(post 911 world)

[QuettaKid]

5. "19 men armed with boxcutters. . . "

Riiiiiggghhhttt. asshat!

[radfringe]

4. AAAAAAAAAAAAHH - IT'S ON THE RADIO

he begins with September 11, 19 box cutters...

fear, fear, fear, fear,

[Purveyor]

6. Receiving "zero" network TV coverage... n/t :)

[w8liftinglady]

48. yet another of the 14 points of fascism

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

7. "on the morning of sept 11, our country woke up

to a nightmare attack."


his first sentence.

[Solly Mack]

8. "We had to find the terrorists before they strike again"

"Do everything in power...within our laws" (Yes, he really said "within our laws")

[radfringe]

11. within our laws

as bush defines them should he decide to follow them

[Solly Mack]

17. precisely...he's getting around to just that now

why he needs to use certain tactics

[KyndCulture]

9. Cspan not covering it.

Any place online to hear?

[radfringe]

12. our local NPR station has it on -- try NPR.website

http://www.npr.org/

[Synnical]

13. C-Span Radio n/t

[truth2power]

10. 911 911 911...

:scared:

[berner59]

15. switching over to the US Open...

Really can't stomach him... MSNBC has had a good day of politics though - will return to that after...

[NoQuarter]

20. I'm with you.

Waiting for James Blake.

[w8liftinglady]

25. LOL..I'm watching Pimp My Ride...thanks for the synopsis,oh brave ones...

My nerves can't take another day of *

[truth2power]

66. "Pimp My Ride" Ha hahaha...

Pretty bad when Pimp My Ride is better than what the POTUS has to say. :rofl:

[Solly Mack]

81. This speech can be dubbed "Pimping My Torture Policy"

Cause that's what he did

[w8liftinglady]

82. lol...no wait..that really IS what he did...and the neo-cons are the Johns

who are buying it.

[Solly Mack]

84. He did. The so-called "Leader of the Free World" pimped torture

on national TV and radio...and it aired ALL over. I'm in Germany

[Solly Mack]

14. So far...trying to set the stage for what he's about to say

here we go..."our security"

setting the stage why the US must use certain tactics to gain information....working up to why he needs leeway regarding detainees

[hatrack]

16. 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!!

9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!! 9/11!! FEAR!!! 9/11!!! FEAR!!!

[bdamomma]

28. ALL THEY SELL IS FEAR ITSELF.

[w8liftinglady]

31. another of the 14 points of fascism

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[Philosoraptor]

18. these gitmo guys are really really really bad,

[democrank]

19. Can`t watch.

Just ate.

[Solly Mack]

23. I put supper off until later. lol

[Solly Mack]

21. Attempting to justify why the US holds detainees without benefit

of law or rights

Why the US must do certain things and why he, as President, must have certain powers

and now describing the "kind of people" held at GTMO and other prisons

[radfringe]

22. key suspects in 9-11, USS Cole...

okaaaaaaaaaaay... so why haven't they been charged and tried yet?

[bdamomma]

24. they just love propping him up, the coward.

is he walking like he is ruler of the world. what a waste he is.

[radfringe]

26. just mentioned Bin-laden's name again

hasn't invoked it or quoted him.....yet

[Solly Mack]

27. Still on the "bad guys" - attempting to drive the point home that he

needs certain powers and legal leeway to hold and try the "bad guys"

[w8liftinglady]

36. another of the 14 points of fascism

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[w8liftinglady]

29. One of the 14 Points of fascism..

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[berner59]

35. Just flipped back to this...

Did he just admit to torture??? Said it was legal but he couldn't tell what it was?? "These procedures...." What could it have been...naked pics of Laura?? That smirk is disgusting...he seems so pleased at their tactics...this is dangerous territory...

ok...back to tennis...

[Solly Mack]

30. "So the CIA used an alternative set of procedures...."

that were safe and lawful and necessary" because the bad guy knew how to resist interrogation.

Bush is basically justifying torture and why the US neeeds to keep torturing.

[w8liftinglady]

46. still another of the 14 points of fascism

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[radfringe]

32. can't tell us about procedures... shhh..it's a secret

but they were (cough) safe and lawful (cough cough) procedures..

so safe and lawful that KSM divulged information..

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

33. msnbc camera angle has lincoln looking right at junior

[radfringe]

45. am listening on the radio, so no pic

but is there a bucket under Lincoln, in case, you know, lincoln gets "sick"

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

54. abe doesn't look happy

its a marble profile of abe's head. blends with the wall color.

[OzarkDem]

34. If those interrrogations worked so well

why haven't you caught Osama yet, idiot? Why is he now traveling freely around Pakistan and Afghanistan?

[Solly Mack]

37. It's such a proud moment to witness the "President" justify torture

WTG, America!!!!

[w8liftinglady]

38. YET ANOTHER of the 14 points of fascism

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[Solly Mack]

39. He'll hit them all before this speech ends

[TahitiNut]

68. Over and over and over again. He's obsessed. He's a Fascist.

He's in love with being the American Mussolini - Bushoilini. Arrogant, imbecilic, brain-damaged, lying, strutting, smirking bastard.

[w8liftinglady]

70. that's a great name for him...Bushoilini

[TahitiNut]

86. Thanks. Using that for years, now. I just can't find a better one.

He's a puppet for corporate predation. He's a strutting psychopath. He has NO HONOR whatsoever. He's delusional and cowardly.

[Solly Mack]

74. He really is, TN.

...he really is a fascist

[Ron Green]

50. Way to go, w8liftinglady! I think you can pick out all of them today!

What happened to "Pimp My Ride?"

:P

[w8liftinglady]

51. all I need are Jesus and cronies-it's a perfecta!

[radfringe]

40. here we go with al-qeada anthrax

stopped that with safe/lawful **cough cough*** procedures?

water cannons?? WTF???

[OzarkDem]

41. Anthrax!!

Where is the anthrax killer anyway? Oh, nevermind.

[KyndCulture]

44. He's speaking at the moment.

[w8liftinglady]

56. YES!!!!another point of fascism..who owns the anthrax vaccine?

http://www.rense.com/general15/3wwho.htm
So, good old Admiral Crowe and his fellow investors in BioPort are set to make a bundle off of the Anthrax scare. Especially when market demand pushes the price of the product high up above the contracted for $3.50 an ounce. And who are those fellow investors? Well, another part of BioPort is owned by the Carlyse Group. That's George H. W. Bush's current occupation. Yet another portion is owned by (you had better sit down), the Bin Laden family!

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

[KyndCulture]

42. oooh another terror plot foiled

UK planes again.

[Solly Mack]

43. "alternative procedures (of interrogation) gain us vital information"

IOW's Torture is good!

[radfringe]

47. safe but not that safe... booga-booga

stopped another attack...

[Solly Mack]

49. "Information gathered (this way) helps protect our allies"

this way being - torture

without these methoids, out homeland would be attacked again

this program has been determined it complies with our laws

claiming some in both parties knew about the program

Now claiming the US does not torture

[Solly Mack]

52. Lying about not supporting torture and that the US does not torture

and that he signed a law (the McCain bill) against torture (he doesn't mention his singing statement)

he also doesn't mention the memos from the Justice Department

[Solly Mack]

53. "Today I'm sending Congress legislation...to try war crimes (of detainees)

That Congress has allowed this man to get away with his crimes....sickening.

[OzarkDem]

Get ready for the show trials

He and Rove will keep a 3 ring circus of Gitmo detainee trials going for the next 2 years.

They'll make the Jon Benet Ramsey case look boring. Is this actually fooling anyone?

[Solly Mack]

77. Yeah - he's fooling a lot of people

Mainly because they don't know the law and they don't want to know the law...it's easier to believe the government would do no wrong than it is to challenge it.

[Solly Mack]

55. He acts as if he's engaging in justice for finally removing people

from secret prisons so they can be tried by his version of a military tribunal.

and the audience claps!

what a sick bunch of people

[Synnical]

57. Who the hell is clapping?

What audience is he speaking before?

[Solly Mack]

60. staff, members of congress and family members

Negroponte, Rice...among others

[Synnical]

62. Thanks

Listening from the office, not watching. :hi:

[Solly Mack]

65. Welcome!!! I have never been so sickened by a Bush speech before

and that's saying a lot

[KyndCulture]

58. from one torture spot to another.

[TahitiNut]

78. People held in secret WITHOUT TRIAL and tortured for YEARS!

Abominable atocities. Abominable!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Solly Mack]

83. Exactly! And how many have died in those secret prisons...

how many will we never know about - they can't be moved to GTMO because they're dead...

[Solly Mack]

59. Claims he told the IRC - and claims the detainees are "presumed innocent"

"and they will continued to be treated with humanity"

He is blaming other countries for the detainees at GTMO...they wouldn't take the people back...

[KyndCulture]

61. Til they are tortured into admiting something they didn't do

of course.

[Solly Mack]

63. exactly

[KyndCulture]

64. Gitmo is a model prison. buhhahahahahahahhahaha

there went lunch, I just yakked.

[TahitiNut]

80. Andersonville. Auschwitz. Abu Ghraib. Gitmo. All "model prisons."

:grr: :puke: :grr: :puke:

[Solly Mack]

67. Now he's spouting the GC article 3 and how the US obeys it

and how it can be interpreted in different ways by different judges in different countries..and spouting the bullshit about how American troops can face charges since it's open to interpretation

We all know Bush is worried about how it will be applied to him...not the troops

and now he says he is asking COngress to "clarify" the laws ( war crimes act, GC) so they can know exactly what's not allowed


If ANY in Congress grants this man anything he is asking for, they are just as guilty as he is

[Solly Mack]

71. "Congress needs to update our laws to meet this new threat ....era"

He is asking Congress to make torture legal...to allow his actions to be legal

he is using the excuse that it would hurt the troops otherwise...

I'm livid

[Solly Mack]

72. it's over with "May God bless you all"

[w8liftinglady]

76. It's a near perfecta-he hit 80% of the points of fascism

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

[Solly Mack]

79. It'll be 100 percent when the transcript comes out

I'm sure I missed stuff...the brain can only take so much shit before it defends itself. :)

[democrat_patriot]

69. FEAR is the product they push, I'm a true addict

awwww shit I got a head rush.


RATM

[Solly Mack]

73. Thank you everyone! (for stomaching this POS with me)

:)

[Synnical]

75. Thanks to you

For the updates. Good job. :)

[OzarkDem]

85. So is he saying

that he wants to tie up Congress during the small amount of time left in this session passing a bill to take away more rights of people accused of crimes? They're saying he wants Congress to pass a law that prevents the Gitmo detainees from seeing all the evidence against them.

Those same changes would apply to the rest of us, no?

I guess he doesn't want the public to focus on the fact that the GOP in Congress won't pass any legislation like health care reform or minimum wage increases or any of those other bothersome topics.

[AspenRose]

87. Has there been a Democratic response yet?

eom

[Solly Mack]

88. Not that I'm aware of...

but most likely