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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:46 PM
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Poll question: Do you intentionally promote the enemy?
Of course, most people will answer "no" to this question. Yet, we seldom go more than a few days without some fascist pundit getting half of the first page of General Discussion's posts and dominating for another week. Now, I know most people who post here are smart enough to recognize that brand names and logos on clothing serve as a form of advertising for the clothing company (that the consumer pays for to provide for free), but there's a chance that some haven't realized that the same goes for posts here at DU, especially in General Discussion.

In advertising, there is no bad way to promote a brand as long as it bores itself into the minds of consumers. Thus, no matter how bad the things are you say about O'Hannicoulter or a mass media station, you are still promoting them by strengthening the memory of their brand in the minds of consumers. The only way to hurt one of these is to allow them to fade into obscurity by refusing to promote them or even acknowledge them (or, better yet, to promote a competing alternative).

So, with this in mind, do you intentionally promote those people and companies ("brands") which you oppose?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:49 PM
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1. Well being a secret freeper I try to promote evil brands all the time
I mean why wouldn't I?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:52 PM
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3. There are lots of secret freepers here, according to some.
Some claim I'm one, too. I'm sure that's the reason enemy brands are promoted here so frequently.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:56 PM
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5. Well i haven't seen you at any of the meetings
So Im sure your a true blue duer.

You see we secret freepers know that if you would just stop paying attention to Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh they would dissappear. Their influence would melt away like sugar in water. That's why we bring them up as much as possible.

Bryant
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:00 PM
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7. I was the guy in black.
Smartassness aside, I'm not suggesting we ignore them to make them disappear, I'm suggesting that posting a thousand "Can you believe what (fill in the pundit) said/did?!" posts in the same place viewed by tens of thousands can be counter-productive when maybe a hundred would do.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:02 PM
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8. I would agree with that
But the problem isn't limited to pundits- take the rapture threads - did we really need 15-20 posts all making essentially the same joke?

I don't know how you solve this problem though.

Bryant
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:05 PM
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11. I'm not sure either.
I'm not a fan of censorship, and I wouldn't want to see a rule that prevents the promotion of "good" brands. So, I'm at a point where I just complain creatively about it.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:51 PM
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2. Nice poll.
Edited on Wed Sep-06-06 01:51 PM by bluerum
Not.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:53 PM
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Got something to hide? - n/t
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:05 PM
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16. No. I openly encourage my enemies to kick my ass.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:53 PM
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4. No. I oppose the bush administration.
Edited on Wed Sep-06-06 01:53 PM by bowens43
I don't promote them.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 01:57 PM
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6. Good, we need to, and we need to promote alternatives.
Which, I think, many people here do. I was speaking more to promoting media brands, though branding is now political.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:03 PM
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9. I agree that discussion of this trash is promotion and don't
respond to any of them anymore unless they are outrageous. It would suit me finely if I never heard or saw them ever again.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:07 PM
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13. That's another good point.
Every post kicks a thread to the top of the stack. This can be both good and bad. People should be aware of it.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:04 PM
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10. You are missing the answer I would give
"If I respond, I will be hunted down by the Department of Homeland Security. How did you get my number anyway?"
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:06 PM
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12. Sorry, I was assuming we were all already on their list. - n/t
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:11 PM
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14. Good observation/question...
...I believe the Ann Coulters, Bill O'Reillys, and even the Howard Sterns of the world are heavily dependent on the free publicity/promotion unwittingly provided by their detractors, and further, that they could not survive without it.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:23 PM
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15. Most heavy metal bands count on this phenomenon.
I like metal. I've listened to a lot of it. The truth is that many metal musicians are just not very good. If it weren't for the fact that they piss off parents and "concerned" organizations, most metal bands would never have cut an album. The same goes for rap. Would 2 Live Crew have ever gone further than South Florida if it weren't for the PMRC trying to censor them? Probably not.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:13 PM
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17. Who the fuck is the enemy again?
those lines are a little blurry these days.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:21 PM
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18. Speaking of blurry lines...
:D


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:22 PM
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19. Damn it Swampy now its on my mind too
Always did have a weakness for the Peruvian marching powder. A younger stupider me anyway. B-)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:25 PM
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20. Not me!
:D


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:58 PM
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22. Ditto on that
but some of us have our stupid times, and very expensive I might add.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 06:09 PM
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24. I have to admit, that's my favorite vice.
It's pretty much my last one, too, and I'm not giving it up, dammit.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 06:08 PM
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23. You're not supposed to ask questions, either.
If we keep breaking rules, someone might think we're part of this administration.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:39 PM
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21. Excellent post
I am amazed at some of the coverage some editorialists/radio folks/etc on the right get around here. Obviously, the kinds of things these folks say and do deserve attention, but at some point it just becomes tedious.

I don't listen to Rush nor care to discuss him all that much because getting the left to freak out over what he says is part of his schtick. To a certain extent, it plays right into his hands. At a certain point, you have to pick your battles.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 06:11 PM
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25. It makes me wonder whether some members here are also...
...paid advertisers. Anyway, thanks.
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