I think Bush made lots of good moves in his speech today.

[rodeodance]

And I think

that if the general public heard it or listened to it--at first glance, it is seductive in that he laid out a good argument for passage of a new NSA plan and to get the terrorists tried in court. Whether you agree with what he said is another matter. But, my point is--he/his speechwriter/those around him/ whoever wrote a good tidy, tight speech with all the necessary keywords ( for example--protecting the American people probably was repeated several times for effect).
And, listening to the evening news, the reporters were giving praise. I wonder how it will affect his ratings in a day or two?

I hate it when he makes good speeches (whether he used date that was truthful or not will take a bit to sort out).

[Taverner]

1. Maybe he stayed dry till five today

[Monkeyman]

2. Karen H is back her style

[MADem]

3. I listened to it, and thought it totally SUCKED, to be honest

All I heard was NAHN WUN WUN, terra terra Osama, terra, Osama, ZarKAW-WEEE, Nahn Wun Wun, terra, terra, NAHN WUN WUN, Osama, Osama, ZarKAW-WEEEEE....

I said elsewhere that if it had been a drinking game, anyone choosing those words for a chug would be passed out cold before the charade was even half over.

[MissWaverly]

5. that's the best summary of Bush speak I have seen

You should make that a bumper sticker: Nahn Wun Wun is passe, Dem Win Win is for me

[nofoil]

6. Great Description, MaDem!

[TahitiNut]

12. That Cistern Chap Hole fresco should be entitled ...

... "Pull My Finger, God! Haw, haw, haw!"

[Cha]

9. Good! I didn't hear or see it,

of course, but I was thinking.."how could this be?".

That sounds more like the lyin' monkey that has been dribbling his shite for 5 long years.

[WI_DEM]

4. didn't sound any different than his usual warmed over shit

[rodeodance]

7. i was thinking of how 'strong' he came across--sincere? I listened via

the radio.

[MADem]

14. Well, he didn't spit and stutter as much, and he sensibly ABBREVIATED

While babbling about Khalid Sheikh Muhamad, he immediately shorthanded the guy into "KSM"....he's got the alphabet down, so he was able to repeat KSM a half dozen or more times without fucking that up too much!!!!!

[bliss_eternal]

10. ...probably wasn't any different.

Not to those that see little value in anything he says, at least. :hi: I couldn't think anything that idiot could say sounded strong. He's a piss ant, idiot savant with fairly decent speech writers.

[bronxiteforever]

8. He failed in Iraq and everyone knows it-the public have turned him off

you can't hide failures of this size. In every American mind is the deep thought, hidden in some cases, but never completely silenced-"why did we go to war and why did our soldiers die?" Americans don't forgive leaders who lose wars-Shrub might as well call himself Lyndon Baines Bush.

[magellan]

11. He said all this just to put it out there

...to make it acceptable while distracting from what's already been done (and is no doubt continuing to be done) in secret. Rice gave an interview for the BBC today as well -- at least I saw it on BBC World News today -- basically saying the same things but not answering questions about what's already happened.

This is more pyschological warfare. The news gets out about detention centers and torture, so let the citizenry digest it for a good while, then say "Yeah, but here's what we're doing now." It refocuses attention away from the original crime. Like a cop who beats a suspect during interrogation but later says, "Look the guy was charged and sentenced, so justice was served." Only a few will remember how unjustly the suspect was treated and will still question the validity of all that followed.

[rodeodance]

13. yes, it does distract from past wrongs. But, my point is--he may get

some traction from this one. just saying.

[Cha]

15. he may

NOT!

[magellan]

16. Oh I agree with you

It's always a real fear. The American people are no different than anyone else when it comes to their susceptibility to psyops. I'd even say that vast tracts of Americans are MORE susceptible because of their closely held religious and nationalist views. BushCo plays on those things every chance they get with chilling success.

I'm just calling it out for what it is. Head games.

[necso]

17. The neocons appeal to the dark side in people:

fear, hatred, arrogance, unbridled-desire, ignorance, gullibility, intolerance, weakness and weak-mindedness (etc). Although they (the neocons) usually try to disguise (keep secret, direct attention away from, etc) what they are really doing (which can be judged from their acts -- and from the consequences of these acts), and they will appeal to anything that might serve their ends.

And together with their fellow-travelers, hirelings and whorelings (speculators, gougers, chiselers, marketeers, PR-types, con-men, talking-heads, etc), the neocons have demonstrated great skill in manipulating and exploiting those who should understand their own interests better -- and act like they do.

It's the nature of neocons to do this -- and it's the nature of people to be susceptible.

So we must counter -- and plan on countering -- these efforts by the neocons; and we must point out neocon lies and distortions (etc). But we must also open the people's eyes to the nature of the games that are being played on them (and to the consequences thereof), so that these games may be recognized generally (by their natures) -- and so that these games may be defeated generally.

(In detail: if one buys the fear that the neocons are selling, then one is acting like a coward -- and will likely suffer a coward's cringing fate. And if one buys the weakness, heedlessness and pigheadedness that is being sold by neocons as strength, then, when this farce falls flat, only failure, defeat, calamity and ruin can be expected. More generally, if you buy the pretense of something (here, strength), then you will get only the pretense of it -- together with the consequences of how this disguised thing actually operates (that is, the consequences of it's actual, not pretended, nature; here, weakness, heedlessness and pigheadedness.))

[scarface2004]

18. put the bottle down man!!!

bush s babbling sounds like your ass when you make a greasy slimy shit after eating refried beans!!!

[The Gunslinger]

19. you are joking righhht?

Just a bunch of crap to promote domestic spying, unfair trials and torture coming off the ruling of the court that his domestic spying was illegal. That should have been his resignation speech.