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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:25 PM
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Dear Walt Disney Company:
My partner and I are planning a trip to Walt Disney World next month. We have been looking forward to it all year, and had been planning to join the Disney Vacation Club.

This afternoon, your ABC Television division posted a notice on its blog describing myself and other Democrats as "terrorist lovers."

Needless to say, I am very, very angry at this slap in the face to more than half of the American voting population.

If there is no public apology made to myself and other Democrats, I will be cancelling our upcoming vacation, as well as our plans to join the Vacation Club. There is no point in giving the Disney corporation any terrorist loving money.

Yours,

Paul L. Sungenis
Vineland, NJ
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:26 PM
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1. Question...
Were you really planning on going and now reconsidering?

Or just giving them hell?
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:31 PM
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7. Yes to both.
We have our airfare (AirTran), hotel reservations, daily itineraries, 10 day passes, and priority seatings for every meal (the Significant Other is very obsessive about these things, which allows me to just relax, let him control everything, and enjoy my vacation). We depart October 19.

It all goes out the window if ABC doesn't apologize for what it allowed to be said about DU.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 12:30 AM
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23. Another Dem w/WDW vacation plans...
I informed ABC/Disney today that we would be cancelling those plans. Tonight dh is checking to see if anyone he works with wants to buy our Lion King tickets. Not one damn dime from me...

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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:27 PM
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2. Where is this blog link?
I would like to see it.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:29 PM
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3. Here you go.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:29 PM
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4. excellent!
Let's lay it right on Disney's doorstep!
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:30 PM
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5. A question or two
Do you see any parallels between your behavior and the behavior of fundamentalist Christians who protest Disney over their participation in Gay Day Orlando?

If not, why not?

If so, do you think your actions are more right than those of the fundamentalist Christians? Why or why not?
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:33 PM
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8. No, not entirely.
The fundies boycott Disney because of Disney's supposed support of homosexuals.

I was not going to boycott Disney, or change our plans, over the "Road to 9-11" documentary, although it is tempting. I'm complaining about it and seeking other remedies, however.

BUT, when they attacked me and everyone here at Democratic Underground as terrorist lovers, that was different. I'm not doing business with them because they slandered me.

It's a world of difference.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:34 PM
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11. But *they* did not do that
ABC did not do that. A commenter on ABC's blog did that.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:35 PM
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13. ABC not only didn't delete it
they screened and approved it BEFORE it appeared. THEY made the decision to post it.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:40 PM
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15. Again, so what?
It's their blog. The view is reflective of the commenter, not necessarily of ABC.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:44 PM
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16. Why Does it Bother You So Much
I think his action is very appropriate. The blog DOES represent ABC. LOL....
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:31 PM
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6. I'm getting more and more angy about this whole thing.
This Democrats=terrorist,appeasear, enablers has to be stopped or else they will start killing us.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:45 PM
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17. And you don't think the hyperbole and histrionics on this site
Also contribute to the problem? Michael Savage has a book out that calls liberalism a mental illness. And yet I've seen the same said of conservatism here.

Perhaps we all need to stop demonizing one another?
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:50 PM
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20. Michael WHO?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 12:35 AM
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24. And ABC can make the first move
It would be great if partisan hacks stopped demonizing the other side, but I don't see Limbaugh or Tucker or Hannity making any moves in that direction. It's one thing to tolerate that shit as freedom of speech, but this is moving way beyond that. This is literally Soviet style Pravda and it has to be stopped now. We cannot have another generation bamboozled like the Reagan babies were. We laughed at Limbaugh when we should have shut him down cold, I think we've learned that lesson.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 08:14 AM
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26. Are you really B BAKER "Norseman"?
And did you post this glowing review of Savage's book at Amazon?

I have read all three of Mr. Savage's recent books, Savage Nation, The Enemy Within, and now this one. These books enrage the self-styled "trendy" leftist mainstream, because they are based on fact. The so-called tolerant left have resorted to anti-Semitic remarks, for lack of any rational criticsm for Mr. Savage.
There was a time when I was younger, when I almost became a leftist. However, I am one of the few people who read and research both sides of an issue, where too many others simply rely on what they already think that they know. I attended meetings of leftist groups, I read their "literature", and all manner of publications. I was thoroughly indoctrinated by a typical public education before college, but in the course of researching the leftist ideology, I have found nothing but deception, distortion, distraction from the facts, and out-right emotionally hysterical hate-filled lies.
The bottom line is that the so-called "liberalism" of our time will not liberate you. The modern "liberalism" seeks to make you a serf to an all-encompassing socialist state. To attain that end, the first goal of the left is to destroy and disassemble our Western culture. Under the principle's of Western culture, we follow Voltaire's philosophy of "Although I hate what you say, I will fight to the death for your right to say it." Under a leftist "politically-correct" regime, you will find yourself in a concentration camp if you speak contrary to the leftist dogma. I am a military veteran of 15 years service, and a patriot.


www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1595550062/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-7491726-8567240?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155

(I considered inserting real paragraph breaks to make the above screed more readable. But decided against it.)
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:34 PM
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9. The OP is inaccurate
This afternoon, your ABC Television division posted a notice on its blog describing myself and other Democrats as "terrorist lovers."


ABC did not post a notice saying that, rather a commenter on this blog post said that. There's a difference.
http://blogs.abc.com/thepathto911/2006/09/even_futher_cla.html#comments

I don't think it helps when we make unevidenced assertions.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:34 PM
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10. unevidenced assertions...
Isn't that the whole trouble?
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:35 PM
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12. No, it isn't.
ABC is screening comments. They had the chance to block that comment. Instead, they posted it.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:39 PM
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14. I see plenty of comments considerate of our side
So ABC is not being uneven in the comments they are allowing. And while I would not have used the language that one comment did, it was an informative comment. If a bunch of people from one particular site were ganging up to leave comments on my site I'd want to know about. You might not like it, but ABC owns that blog. It is their right to determine what is and isn't posted there.

And once again, the offending phrase was posted by a commenter and not ABC. It reflects the views of the commenter and not necessarily ABC.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:52 PM
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21. You may not mind being called a "terrorist Lover" but some of us do.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 12:24 AM
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22. Oh, I get called worse than that at least once a week on DU. n/t
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:59 AM
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25. I don't doubt you do. n/t
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 07:57 PM
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18. We're members. Have been since 1993.
We have a trip planned for December. We're still going, but the $200 a day budgeted for eating in the parks and resorts has now been reduced to $20 for cold drinks.

We have a full kitchen and will use it. Stocking the fridge on the first night. Planning on investigating restaurants off property.

Bite me, Mickey.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 08:02 PM
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19. Pick up "The Unofficial Guide."
They've got the best restaurant reviews for both on and off property.
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