I'm not worried about ABC's Path to 911 at all.

[Justice Is Comin]

They would be better off to pour kerosene all over themselves and light it.

This is actually going to be fun to watch the aftermath of what ABC is setting themselves up for.

Did you ever see the cartoons where the character throws the stick of dynamite and thinks they're going to destroy their nemesis for once and for all. They plug their ears waiting for the joy of the blast. When little do they know the nemesis has placed the dynamite right between their legs and is chewing on a carrot from a perfect place to watch the surprise?

ABC has this stick of dynamite right under their nuts.

Look at the indisputable facts.



1. Like giddy children, they release promos only to the right wing blogheads over their orgasmic little docuganda of bullshit. Nobody from the left.

2. They know the film maker is as right quadrant of a biased Clinton hater as you could possibly dig out of the neocon Nazis.

3. They pull their ABC blog because the whip marks on their collective asses were already starting to burn.

4. They don't have one Democrat consulted from the 911 commission or anyone to balance the true facts involved in the making of this crapumentary.

5. They won't even send a screening copy to the Democrats they are about to slander. However the friend of the filmaker gets a copy. He just happens to be the biggest verbal blowjob in the entire republican fart capsule. Isn't that special.

6. They are about to attempt to diminish the credibility of one of the most popular presidents ever who had only one minor successful terror attack on US soil during his term abd presided over the best economy ever.

7. Disney who found it so reprehensible to air the film festival award winning political documentary for truth, is flapping their wings with enthusiasm about airing this video felony of contraband.

8. The film maker has unbelievable transposed the very most dramatic event of the entire six hour shit fest to make it appear that Bin Laden could have been taken out at Tora Bora during Clinton's watch, when in fact it is absolutely the opposite and was on Bush's plate and

7. The extent of the lies presented as fact in this farce that are going to be exposed is going to have ABC scrambling for their lawyers.



Fox wouldn't even be this stupid. It is astounding ABC going to make this blunder. Once it airs, it is going to have so many media people and bloggers ripping it to shreds that ABC will never recover. The facts are entirely and factually ass backwards. This is their Dan Rather. It is so top loaded with repercussions for ABC, the executives that signed off on this are going to be drinking Pepto Bismol by the quart.

It will start right after they make the irretrievable mistake of putting it on the air because then it's too late. And it will come from every direction.

ABC will be forever known as a blatant partisan bullshit right wing visual media rag and they will be the laughing stock of the networks.

[Ezlivin]

1. They plan to distribute this crap to schools!

We're all adults here and can see this for what it is: Propaganda.

But school children don't have the critical facilities necessary and will end up believing this story. "Why would ABC lie?" "It was on TV!"

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/abc-distribution/

[rodeodance]

8. and will teacheres be branded 'liberal' unpatriotic if make corrections?

[Cobalt Violet]

11. Exactly.

This is making my blood boil.

[Justice Is Comin]

16. I would bet you ten to one

this whole school roll out program will be scrapped. When the reviews start coming in and they are getting creamed from every direction about how factually wrong they were about the events as they really happened, there will be nowhere to hide. All of the things I stated in my OP lay out how intentionally partial they are to lie with total disregard for indisputable facts.

They have created an irreversible self destructive monster. Nobody can do anything yet because it hasn't aired. Once it's there for everybody to see, the Democrats and the national media will start to critique it.

Responsible journalists and reporters will HAVE to write their columns and editorials slamming ABC because everything that has leaked shows it presents lie after lie after lie. It will be debunked on the talk shows as a collaborative intent to lie. This won't set well with the American people.

ABC is already been scared into running a disclaimer numerous times when it's on. This is only the beginning.

This will never get into the schools. This is a hazmat spill that just hasn't happenend yet. The cleanup will start Monday.

[seabeyond]

from what i understand the school present movie friday and

work guide. we will have to see. the cleanup begins monday. i couldnt agree more. but..... i talked to very smart intellectual 11 yr old and told him to ask teacher if she was going to give it to class. and i will be giving corrected material if she is and son will present. he is not shy. i explained the different angle of why this is so wrong, and clear to him. he was in a christian private when they aired passion and i told teacher no way they were going to cult my child. basically the same thing here.

[MrModerate]

2. Just when I want to start trotting out my lawyer jokes . . .

Someone points out how useful they are in situations like this. While you can use a public figure in a production like, this, I don't think you're allowed to libel them with impunity. Bring 'em on!

[treestar]

12. There is no libel suit, because they make sure to label it fiction

ABC knows how stupid the public is. The sheeple do not read the fine print.

It's what they want to believe.

[MrModerate]

19. I don't think the fiction that it's meant to be fiction . . .

Would stand up to a serious legal challenge. Even with a disclaimer, I don't think you can just cross your fingers behind your back and get away with something that is, at minimum, "libel-ly."

[treestar]

24. I hope you're right.

[tomp]

20. how can you have a docudrama about a real event...

...and say the characters are fictional? though not a lawyer, i suspect that a libel suit would have merit and would win, disclaimers of "it's fiction" notwithstanding.

[Waya]

3. Let's hope you're right.........

[notadmblnd]

4. I'd still like to know who paid for it. anyone know of UHP productions?

nt

[City Lights]

5. You assume that the people watching will be aware of the

indisputable facts you cited. They won't be, and that's one of the problems. This crapadrama won't impact informed people like us, but I don't believe the majority of the people who will tune in will be nearly as informed as we are. My fear is that the uninformed watchers will believe the shit ABC is spewin'.

[Justice Is Comin]

21. Read post # 16.

The fallout will start after it airs.

You can see the signs of nervousness already. And nobody has even seen it yet.

They didn't bargain for this big of a blistering retaliation that is just getting ready to go into action.

[City Lights]

22. I hope you're right.

Guess we'll see. :shrug:

[Francine Frensky]

6. You are so wrong. This will change the minds of millions of voters

and do you think disney/abc is going to be hurt by a few complaints and emails? That doesn't cost MONEY. They make any complaints from the left up financially with increased patronage from the right. Think about the REAL FINANCIAL IMPACT: the important point for abc/disney is to protect their tax breaks and the favorable media laws written by bushco. This biased movie will reach potentially millions of voters by the time it's all said and done and distributed for free everywhere and in schools, and the sad fact is that 80% of the people who see this movie will think it is factually true, and bin laden is all Clinton's fault, and the republicans are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

This is the kind of sweeping propoganda that Hitler used to convince the average germans to go along with his evil plan.

Why on earth would you be so naive to think it wouldn't work??

[C_U_L8R]

7. The clips they've been showing

look awful.. really hamfisted writing and direction.
I could barely watch the 30 seconds they showed on MSNBC.
All this hubbub may attract a huge audience to begin with
but I bet dollars to donuts that most will change the channel
before the first half hour is up.

mmm donuts

[RamboLiberal]

27. This thing has not been getting good reviews

and remember a lot of the male viewers will be watching Sunday Night Football on NBC and Monday Night Football on ESPN. And the 2 9-11 features that came out this year United 93 and World Trade Center did not do that great of a box office. I think the public is tired of 9-11.

My big problem is with this being distributed to schools. Hopefully we got some savvy teachers and some savvy students who will illustrate the untruths in it.

[texpatriot2004]

9. Well said. nm

[tsuki]

10. I've been wondering about the impact of this if the Democratic

Party takes back the house.

I understood ABC/Disney and the controversy of "Fahrenheit 911," given the "family, feel good image." But this is blatant partisanship, and now their decision about "Fahrenheit 911" can be seen as blatant partisanship.

I know that the FCC is useless, but does "The Path to 9/11" constitute a massive corporate transfer of funds to the RNC? Will this factless piece of fiction, shown so close to the election without commercial interruption become the centerpiece in a congressional investigation into the dangers of media consolidation?

[treestar]

13. *'s approval ratings are so low it just could backfire

It is an obvious attempt to prop him

[peacebird]

14. Madeline Albright's letter to Iger today sounded fantastic

I'm pretty sure she would sue them if the film airs in its current form. And somehow I do not think calling it a "docudrama" will protect them from libel suits.

"One of the officials, former Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, said in her letter to the Disney executive, Robert A. Iger, that although she had requested a copy of the film, ABC had not given her one. But, Ms. Albright said, she has been told by people who have seen it that it “depicts scenes that never happened, events that never took place, decisions that were never made and conversations that never occurred.”

“It asserts as fact things that are not fact,” she wrote.

The concerns of Ms. Albright, as well as those expressed in letters from Samuel R. Berger, former national security adviser, and Bruce R. Lindsey, a Clinton White House aide now with the Clinton Foundation, were echoed yesterday by several Democratic members of Congress."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/07/washington/07path.html

[Chimichurri]

15. You're assuming the apathetic public who will watch this will

actually think for themselves. For most it will be their 9/11 truth. Expect to see this docudrama's interpretation as talking points after it's aired. I wish everyone good luck in advance at trying to counter them.

[underpants]

17. ABC has this stick of dynamite right under their nuts.

Great line

We'll see. TV can be very persuasive but what will probably really kill the impact of this (I can't believe this is going to be distributed to schools) is that it will be opposite the NFL on NBC (debut), the CBS real life documentaries, and the Simpsons. If it as bad as it looks -the clip on Olbermann last night looked pretty bad- people will flip away fairly quickly.

[Hugin]

30. $10 says when it does go out (in a discreet wrapper) to the schools...

The ads are back in place.

[HughBeaumont]

18. ABC - Appeasing Bush's Cronies

Amateur hour partisanshit at it's worst. Six years later and they STILL cannot get over the fact that everyone was happier, more prosperous and safer under Clinton than they were under ANY Repuke president. It makes them fret and fume and their skin turn purple.

I'm reminded of the scene in V for Vendetta when one of the bar patrons watching an obviously propagandized newscast of V's actions exclaims "do you believe this bullshit?". Dizzney, no one's believing it anymore. Give it up. Jump the sinking GOP ship. Your fearmongering and Clinton-blaming isn't working anymore. Here's a clue. When the POOR and MIDDLE CLASSES do well, the RICH do even better. Stop trying to keep the two-class dream alive.

Let everyone have a chance. LET IT GO.

[trotsky]

23. I wish I could say I shared your optimism.

However, this is the American public we're talking about.

[acmavm]

25. The National Equirer crowd will believe every single word

of this crap.

My crazy mother is one of them. I know what they're like. If she wasn't so damn unhealthy and, I feel, not going to live too much longer I don't know what I'd do. As it is I try to ignore her shit. But when she tells me that no one else would have been able to 'handle' the terrorists (and she believes that Iraq was full of the pre-911) as well as this lying SOB has I just want to scream. I do get mad at her.

She's on Social Security (never had a 'good' paying job so she hardly gets anything), lives in a subsidized old croaks highrise that takes almost all of her money, used to get what she called commodities (cheese, butter, etc.) which she relied (on but that program is gone), now can't get some of the meds she needs because Medicare won't help pay for them, etc.

And that delerious woman defends the guy. Go figure.

[Justice Is Comin]

31. It wouldn't matter to the 30% of those people

if they saw a picture of bush kissing Hitler. They are in a hopeless republican hypnotic state.

It's the other 70% of the sane and recovering republicans that are going to be pissed when they start hearing the critiques and the deliberate attempts to manipulate their thinking that is going to crucify ABC.

It's almost weird to what extent they've gone to deliberately distort and outright lie about Clinton's bin Laden efforts, while praising bush. The fact that they have actually elected to give even more publicity to themselves by donating these six hours of airtime without commercial sponsorship is going to put them right in the middle of the bullseye.

Do you not think this is a level five hurricane for them? They have the top figures in the government that they are about to slander and libel advising them they are about to make a huge mistake. They have got the Congress telling them to cancel it or revise the script to be factually accurate.

When this stuff starts coming out, ABC isn't going to have the credibility of Capitol Hill Blue. To say nothing about the monetary hits of product boycotts and programming they are about to see hit them.

A gyroscope will always right itself.

This is a pistol they are holding to their own head.

[Hugin]

33. Correct... That 30% would vote for * if he'd shot them in the face with a

... shotgun.

Or if some Dick had...

Anyway, they're irredeemable.

[watercolors]

26. I think the public as a whole is tired of it all!

I feel ABC will only have a small number of viewers. We 've been bombast ed with it in our face 24-7 for so long now, most people will not engage in watching it! I'm not worried about it, or the small percentage that will watch, we are fed up with the propgander from this administration and the MSM!

[Double T]

28. I have the feeling that this miniseries may backfire on the RW.......

and neocons. The majority of the American people are sick and tired of bushco's bungling and incompetence then blaming their screw-ups on the former Clinton Administration. If ABC does NOT represent 'this bushco propaganda' for what it really is throughout the six (6) hours of airing, I will be programing ALL ABC channels out of my television. That's how you fight back against the corrupt corporate media and the filthy rethug propaganda machine; then let THEM and their sponsors now IT.

[Hugin]

29. Recommended for word creation...

"...right wing blogheads..."
"...docuganda..."
"...visual media rag..."
"...six hour shit fest..."
"...biggest verbal blowjob in the entire republican fart capsule..."
"...crapumentary..."

Beautiful!

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

32. My main concern is--who will this impact?

I'm interested in who this mini-series will effect. Will it convince people that Bush is wonderful and that Clinton is responsible for 9/11? Ultimately, will this farce affect the 06 elections?

We know that 35 percent of the country supports Bush. They'd support him if he wanted to invade Missouri. So, those people are a foregone conclusion--and we don't need to worry about them.

The Dems won't be persuaded by "Path to 9/11". Obviously, most of us understand it is a sham.

It's the Independents--and those in the middle--who are critical. How will they react to this?

The only reason I am not upset and worried about the effect of "Path to 9/11" is because I believe that most Independents and people in the center have above-average intelligence and are less prone to buying into the partisan crap. They're disgruntled with both parties and they know bullshit when they see it. There's enough controversy and problems surrounding "Path to 9/11" that they will NOT be persuaded by it. Most Independents are acutely aware of the Rovian ploys, and they are leaning Democrat these days--not Republican. This propaganda will only fuel their mistrust of BushCo.

Most of the dullards who will be emotionally whipped up into a frenzy about "Path to 9/11" are the lemmings who listen to Rush Limbaugh and will vote for Junior anyway.

I do have other worries attached to this mini-series. I'm wondering why in the hell ABC is helping the Republicans and hurting the Dems in such a blatant, perverse way--right before the elections? I'm wondering who the players are in this game and who funded this. I'm wondering why these bastards think they have the right to propagandize our own children?

I'm worried about those things---but I am not worried about it changing minds. It simply won't.

[Justice Is Comin]

34. Right.

And because of the firestorm of publicity this has created, it is going to be seen as the duty of responsible journalists to correct the record.

This is defamation of character, playing with the sensibilities of people who were mentally greatly affected by 9-11. And not only on the anniversary, but just prior to a historically important election.

The talk shows and newspapers are going to crucify ABC.

How do they explain all the things in my OP when those things are made public? How do they explain that the film purports that Clinton refused to kill bin Laden in Tora Bora when bin Laden was never in Tora Bora when Clinton was president?

How do they explain the refusal to show bush with his eyes glazed over for seven minutes while the Secret Service looked on just stunned?

How do they explain Disney wouldn't air Farenheit 9-11 but supports this six hour fraud? When they were given wide advance notice of the innacuracies?

They can't. And that's why this is going to be ABC's Hindenberg. Watch the explosion.

[ecstatic]

35. The left is nowhere near as relentless as the right (think Dan Rather)

We are too peaceful and more inclined to let things go. We don't own the media the way the right wing does. As much as I'd like to agree with your analysis, I don't believe we'll get the last word on this one.

[Bake]

36. I doubt the audience will be that large.

This will not the "Roots" of this generation (just a SWAG on my part).

Bake