I want no part of an America that justifies war crimes

[Solly Mack]

Take a stand. Write your Congress people and tell them "NO!"

Congress has the legal authority to authorize tribunals; tribunals that must follow the law. Any request from Bush that contradicts the law should be met with a resounding "NO!" from Congress.


Congress should also hold Bush accountable for the military tribunals he instigated without the authorization from Congress, and which did not follow the law.

http://www.cdt.org/security/011129aclu.pdf#search=%22section%20836%2C%20UCMJ%2C%20Congress%20authorizes%20military%20tribunaLS%22

America usually just lies to itself and the world about it's crimes...and when enough time passes, people look back and claim, "that was the past, America is different now"...

How many times do Americans get to say "that was the past, America is different now" when we know it's not the past unless justice is served and the guilty held fully accountable?

Only by seeking justice can America say "that was the past, America is different now"

Waiting on time to take care of the ugly caused by America is the cowards way out. Time has never healed all wounds and it never will. Seek justice. Seek accountability.

Do what you can - but never pretend that there will be a time when "all this" is over.

Time will never erase America's war crimes but seeking justice will help America to grow - to regain her footing. Holding the guilty accountable will not ruin America - she will be able to move forward knowing she did what was right. There is no shame in admitting your country is wrong - there is continued shame in pretending your country isn't wrong when she so clearly is in the wrong.

Germany did not fall - Hitler did. Sure, it was painful but Germany is still around.

America will not fall - the Bush Regime will. And it won't even take a war - just Congress doing it's duty to the Constitution.

Sad that something so simple as duty to the Constitution requires a think-tank in today's America. That's how corrupt the government has become. Following the Constitution, or not following it, is now a tactic of political expediency. If it's not good for a candidate's election or a Congress person's re-election to follow the law, they won't follow it from fear of losing their seat. Their seat is more important to them than the Constitution.


Yes, it will be painful..but so? I'd rather the pain of justice being served than the pain and shame of America whitewashing her crimes.


Write Congress. Write LTE. Scream it from the rooftops. Demand justice. Demand accountability. Demand a new beginning for America. The path of lies and cover-ups America has been on has done nothing to serve the cause of the people - and it never will.

And yes, some in Congress will ignore us - they're ignoring us already. But you still have to try

So write Congress - because it's our duty.

[EnviroBat]

1. Somebody help me out here...

But doesn't this military tribunal thingy set the stage for rounding up war protesters and seditionists and the like, right there at home? I mean as in " Mr. Joe Public, this military tribunal has found you guilty of terrorist acts against this country. The sentence is death" No jury, no supreme court, no appointed defense attorney. I may just be paranoid or something, but this certainly sounds like the beginning of a methodology for controlling the populace in a decidedly fascist manner.

[Solly Mack]

2. IIRC, the Patriot Act(s) allow citizens to be labeled terrorists

http://www.bordc.org/resources/repeal.pdf#search=%22Patriot%20Act%2C%20labeling%20citizens%20as%20terrorists%22

http://www.counterpunch.org/mariner03082003.html

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17383leg20030328.html

[acmejack]

3. It's a matter of time.

We're in their data bases, they have now admitted to compiling 11 different ones on us. They usurped power and I really doubt they will leave on their own accord-but a medical professional has told me that I am "delusional about the Government". I hope for all our sakes that she is right.

[Solly Mack]

4. I'm delusional right along beside you then

In fact, there is obviously a mass delusion happening if the things I read are how people really feel

[Ripley]

6. Another Delusional One here..

You know that sideways look You get when You start talking about the Fascist Thugs latest blatant outrage? The one that makes You shut up and realize this person is a Zombie and they either cannot See or they keep telling themselves that everything is okay because they don't like those angry feelings inside when they start to think everything is going to Hell in a Gucchi pocketbook?

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

7. Oh yeah! I know that look. I get it all the time

Hi Ripley!!!

[Mnemosyne]

5. My medical professional actually told me

that I am NOT paranoid or delusional. She agrees that we have much to fear from this admin.

She's from India.

[Solly Mack]

8. She sees with outside eyes...

just as you do...if you know what I mean

Looking at everything going on just as you would look at it if it was happening anywhere else..if it's wrong when so and so country does it...it's wrong when America does it.

[Mnemosyne]

16. Exactly Solly! I was relieved to have her

assure me that I'm not paranoid. lol

Didn't think I was, but it helps to have a shrink agree! Sometimes they ARE out to get you.

Rat bastards.

[kentuck]

9. I'm with you, Solly Mack...

That is not my America.

[Solly Mack]

10. I fear we will have nothing left to build on if we don't stop Bush

and hold him accountable.

I can't pretend America isn't committing war crimes. I will not be able to rationalize away those crimes either.

I will not, and cannot, justify any actions by Congress that condones the crimes of Bush.

I am a "stranger in a strange land"

[The Stranger]

11. Then establish a war crimes tribunal, issue indictments, make arrests.

Let's get started.

[Solly Mack]

12. I'm trying

I write, give money and support causes attempting to hold Bush accountable. I write the UN asking them to indict Bush. I write foreign countries asking them to charge Bush. I keep a list of Bush's crimes.


just a few links from my vast stores regarding Bush and war crimes

Prosecute George W. Bush
for War Crimes

http://archive.democrats.com/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=warcrimes

Should Canada Indict Bush?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1116-27.htm

US Lawyers Warn Bush on War Crimes
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/law/2003/0128uslawyers.htm


Amnesty International
http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR510772004

[The Stranger]

13. And I commend you. But I am actually talking about a real tribunal.

Maybe considering such a thing is a violation of the posting rules (if so, I hope this does not count as a strike against me).

[Solly Mack]

14. a "people's tribunal?" so to speak? (Madame DeFarge and all that)

As entertaining and satisfying as that thought is...and I can get a really good mental picture of it...I can't act in a way that promotes exactly what I am fighting.

I could call it justice...but would it really be justice?

I believe in revolution and I believe in people rising up against tyranny....but at the end of the day, I want a better government than the one I fought against.

So any tribunal will have to have a basis in existing law - that governs the crimes of Bush. I'd have to give Bush what he denies others. I couldn't do it any other way.

[The Stranger]

15. The question isn't the laws -- it is who is going to enforce them.

Justice is enforcing the law -- injustice is permitting them to be continually violated.

The question is who is going to enforce them. If the machinery of government is usurped by a junta that considers itself above the law, what then?

[Solly Mack]

17. International tribunals if Congress won't do it's duty

but I don't think other countries will hold Bush accountable either.


I've no illusions about America's government...or any government...and unless they get a gain, no one who can will hold America accountable

But that doesn't stop me from writing Congress...or the EU or the UN...and letting them have a piece of my mind.

It's not hope that drives me. Or some deeply held belief in the goodness of America...it's anger and disgust that fuels me.

[The Stranger]

18. John Locke says it is the right -- nay, the obligation -- of the people.

[Solly Mack]

19. Yes - an obligation

so I push that rock