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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 09:39 AM
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BUSH Caught LYING While Defending Torture
"By his admission that the CIA has indeed practiced illegal kidnapping and detention, Bush exposes not only his own previous lies," said Sarah Ludford, a British member of the European Parliament and vice chairman of a parliamentary inquiry into the CIA's clandestine prison program in Europe. "He also exposes to ridicule those arrogant government leaders in Europe who dismissed as unfounded our fears about 'extraordinary rendition,'" the international transfer of suspects without judicial recourse. . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/06/AR2006090602050.html?nav=rss_world


09.07.06

BUSH LIES ABOUT RAMZI BIN AL SHIBH, ABU ZUBAYDAH AND TORTURE:
Not that it should surprise anyone anymore, but yesterday's stomach-churning Bush speech defending torture contains this little number:

We knew that Zubaydah had more information that could save innocent lives, but he stopped talking. As his questioning proceeded, it became clear that he had received training on how to resist interrogation. And so the CIA used an alternative set of procedures. These procedures were designed to be safe, to comply with our laws, our Constitution, and our treaty obligations. The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively and determined them to be lawful. I cannot describe the specific methods used--I think you understand why--if I did, it would help the terrorists learn how to resist questioning, and to keep information from us that we need to prevent new attacks on our country. But I can say the procedures were tough, and they were safe, and lawful, and necessary.

Zubaydah was questioned using these procedures, and soon he began to provide information on key al Qaeda operatives, including information that helped us find and capture more of those responsible for the attacks on September the 11th. For example, Zubaydah identified one of KSM's accomplices in the 9/11 attacks--a terrorist named Ramzi bin al Shibh. The information Zubaydah provided helped lead to the capture of bin al Shibh. And together these two terrorists provided information that helped in the planning and execution of the operation that captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.



First, according to Ron Suskind http://www.ronsuskind.com/theonepercentdoctrine/, Abu Zubaydah didn't clam up because he was "trained to resist interrogation," but because he has the mental capacity of a retarded child. Second, the idea that Abu Zubaydah's interrogation tipped off the U.S. to the existence of Ramzi bin Al Shibh is just an outright lie. A Nexis search for "Ramzi Binalshibh" between September 11, 2001 and March 1, 2002--the U.S. captured Abu Zubaydah in March 2002--turns up 26 hits for The Washington Post alone. Everyone involved in counterterrorism knew who bin Al Shibh was. Now-retired FBI Al Qaeda hunter Dennis Lormel http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/06/attack/main511244.shtml told Congress who Ramzi bin Al Shibh was in February 2002. Abu Zubaydah getting waterboarded and spouting bin Al Shibh's name did not tell us anything we did not already know.

more at:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=36597

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 09:41 AM
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1. I guess that's not surprising
But the speech wasn't for us afterall - it was for the bushbase - to get them riled up and willing to fight (instead of kind of pissy and not interested in supporting do-nothing Republicans.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 09:46 AM
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2. Bush is caught lying evety time he opens his friggin mouth!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 12:08 PM
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3. Retitled: Bush admits foreign travel risky for Admin due to war crimes
prosecution risk in many countries around the world. Whether you support Bush or not, this is a true risk.
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