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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 11:23 AM
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Here's some of the WHY of "Path to 9/11"...
Edited on Thu Sep-07-06 11:51 AM by Junkdrawer
Friends, something very, very important is about to be rammed through Congress. New legislation that strips the due-process rights of every American, establishes military tribunals, and grants retroactive immunity for everyone that engaged in torture is on track to be passed by the end of the month.

It was covered in good detail on DemocracyNow this morning:


BARBARA OLSHANSKY: You know, there are several. The President’s speech came along with a series of documents: a Department of Defense directive, a new Army field manual that was revised, and this bill. If you put them all together, it says some very interesting things. First, there is the admission, like you said, of the existence of secret prisons, which we knew and they have categorically denied, all across Europe and all across the United States.

But this idea of the CIA program, that language that the President used, we know that that program is a codeword for the use of torture. There's just no doubt about it, because we know how badly people were tortured in Iraq, in Afghanistan and in Guantanamo, and we know that not just from detainees' testimony, but from the testimony of FBI officials, CIA officials. Lots of people have come forward. And the President then is asking the American public and Congress to approve a program of torture going forward.

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Well, that one is really on the same -- in the same arena. It is retroactive immunity for everyone that engaged in torture. And the fact is that torture policy really specifically came down from the highest on the high. And in fact, the President, in his speech yesterday, admitted that, that he authorized it, that Rumsfeld put it into effect. And so now we know everyone did it. They said it. And, you know, that idea of being authorized from the top, well, we now know that that happened. And soldiers who follow a policy that violates the law, you know what, we don't exonerate them, because that idea of “they told me to do it,” you know, that principle went out in Nuremburg in the Second World War when it was used by Nazi soldiers. We don't abide by that. No one in the world does. And that's what the President is asking for now: immunity for everyone who is going to say, “My superior told me so.”

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Yeah. And this was something that really we have had a number of conversations about, you know, with people on the Hill, some people in the White House, about the fact that an administration bill that was leaked included the word “people” instead of the word “aliens,” because the President's November 13th military order in 2001 said “non-citizens.” Well, now, the language says an unlawful enemy combatant can be any individual. And it's very clear that that means Americans. It can mean anyone in the world. There is no exclusion, you know, for Americans. And the language of who can be an enemy combatant has been tremendously expanded. So it could be, you know, not only al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, but other associated forces and just others who are unnamed. And it's any hostile act, not necessarily a military act. Am I hostile by talking about what's wrong with this, by sitting here with you? How are we going to know that? And then I end up in Guantanamo in a military commission, where the death penalty can result? This is astounding stuff.

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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/07/1350230



Now what does this have to do with "Path to 9/11"? Well, there are many Republicans as well as Democrats who oppose this beast. So the President will need bi-partisan support to ram it through. How will that be achieved? By painting Democrats as weak on terrorism. And when Democrats are successfully painted as "weak on" anything, they vote for the damnest things.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 11:28 AM
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1. ....they vote for the damnest things........
isn't that the truth. Did you hear *'s diatribe this morning..........for fifty minutes?He's setting the stage to cover his a** and spy on American citizens. Truly scary. :hide:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 11:45 AM
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2. Vietnam was Democrats proving they were tough on Communism...
Not all Democrats, but enough.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 11:52 AM
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3. .
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 01:17 PM
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4. .
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:54 PM
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6. .
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 01:21 PM
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5. k and r
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:00 PM
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7. I will interpret this as ABC falling on the side of the anti-American...
fundamentalists who seek to take away our freedoms.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:18 PM
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8. ORGANIZE NOW!!!
Folks, Thanks to Junk for posting a link to this on the thread I just started.

We have to stand up now! Rec both threads.

-Hoot
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:23 PM
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9. Yep, they're putting some crap legislation together
I believe they're also pushing for a bill that allows military tribunals to refuse to allow defendants to see all the evidence against them. So they can make shit up about a defendant, since they don't have to show any evidence. Is that a kangaroo court?
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:34 PM
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10. Question about "ex post facto"
The constitution prohibits "ex post facto" laws, which I always learned in school meant that they can't pass a law today to declare that what you did yesterday was illegal then. But I wonder about the real legal meaning of ex post facto. Can they constitutionally pass a law that says that what was illegal when you did it wasn't illegal then?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:14 PM
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13. Bush hand picked two Supreme Court judges to approve...
just this type of legislation.

Any law passed by Congress will give them the fig leaf that they need.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:40 PM
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11. Bush is after Habeus Corpus! He's an enemy of the Constitution!
The REPUBLICANS should impeach him.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:07 PM
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12. K&R!
Thank you Junkdrawer!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 08:37 PM
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14. Recommended...and a big THANK YOU for posting!!!!
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 10:29 PM
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15. K&R n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 10:56 PM
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16. Good Point, Junkdrawer...thanks. Maybe our Dems
understand what you say and that's why they sent letters from both House and Senate to ABC. The President may ignore their letters but Congress does have power...although the FCC is now composed of more Repugs than Dems. I think it's 5 Repugs to 2 Dems.

Good for them to stand up. Looks like the "assault" to keep the Congress and Senate for the Repugs has started. And the effort to keep their sorry butts from being investigated and possibly impeached must have been coordinated with the Media in advance.

I think we Dems will take many, many hits...and then have to deal with the Voter Disenfranchisment and the faulty machines.

I wonder if we will make it this time. If we don't then I don't want to think what will happen. It could be Dems last stand. I think maybe the Powers that Be Dems should have gotten that by now....
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 09:32 AM
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17. Kick!
:kick:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:51 AM
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18. While everyone is occupied w/PT 911they are slamming thru legislation
Call your Senators and Reps and put a STOP to this usurping of Rights!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:55 AM
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19. This dovetails with the BookTV segment, "The Case for Impeachment"
where a lawyer who helped the rounded up people after 9/11 made plain that this president believes he can detain anyone at any time. Anyone. Me. You. Anyone.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:35 AM
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20. k and r -- here comes the republicon-fascist crackdown on freedom
republicons hate America and Americans, for our freedoms.

What a bunch of treasonous fearmongers the BushCo republicons are...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:29 AM
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21. .
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