Clinton: "If it's anything other than taking the movie down completely

[Coexist]

they will not be satisfied."

Clinton's response while awaiting word from ABC on the docudrama.

Yes.

[KyndCulture]

1. Got link?

[Coexist]

3. it was breaking news on MSNBC

he released a second statement.

[Midlodemocrat]

5. I just heard it, too.

[MADem]

2. I loves me some BILL, DAMN!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2071696&mesg_id=2071696

Hit SCHOLASTIC by expressing your concern to their BIGGEST moneymaker, while you wait...see the thread above.

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. Looks like the Big Dawg is shitting on Disney!

[acmavm]

4. All right. Get mean Bill. They're trying make you the fall guy.

Dredge up all your anger from the Starr Inquisition. Use it now. Put it to good work.

[Coexist]

6. Looks like Big Dawg is pissed.

Ha!

[blm]

55. He should've corrected the record back when he was first accused

and blamed. Every Dem candidate in 2002 and 2004 had been saddled with the Dems are weak on terrorism meme since 9-11, and Clinton chose to not only remain silent, but often sided with Bush publicly.

[Charlie Brown]

7. This I do not support

Censorship is wrong, whether it's directed at CBS' 9/11 documentary, or at this.

[musette_sf]

9. it is not "censorship"

to tell mainstream media to not show a film, purported to be fact-based, that contains bald-faced partisan lies.

[Coexist]

12. ...and when it is fed to our school children as history

that is WRONG on many levels.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Not that I particularly disagree with anything you said, but...

it should be noted that this is exactly what the other side said too.

[oc2002]

30. no, they are too busy hiding the facts, thats different.

The truth exposes them to the light.....it burns!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

33. I meant when they argued against the CBS version (nt)

[WinkyDink]

61. Who the hell cares what liars claim?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

72. Was CBS's version also planned to be used as an educational tool

In our publicly funded schools?

[Lex]

10. How about a crawl across the bottom of the screen the entire movie

that says "This movie is largely bullshit."

[musette_sf]

14. or

"for entertainment purposes only"

(i wish they would have this crawl on every Jeebus network on teevee... i watched "Young Earth" Carl Baugh last night on TBN and almost bust a gut laughing)

[HughBeaumont]

71. I will PERSONALLY pay any hacker $100 to do that.

:rofl:

"This film is a steaming pile meant for idiots and neo-con slobberers. Same thing."

[sendero]

11. A person's right to free speech..

... does not include the right to defame.

[yodermon]

15. GOVERNMENT censorship is wrong.

Bill Clinton is not the government, he is a private citizen expressing his outrage at his pending slander.

[Coexist]

17. Yes. n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. I do not see how a private citizen expecting a network to...

cease and desist from airing an erroneous and defamatory documentary is censorship. I would have a problem with the government telling the writer/producer that he was prohibited from putting the drivel together, but this is not remotely the same thing.

[Straight Shooter]

26. "Censorship is wrong."

But you're okay with indoctrination of school children? That's the biggest problem I have, needless to mention the slander and lies of this mockumentary, and of course just who is paying for this propaganda of epic proportions.

The damage of this farcical "Path to 9/11," if allowed to continue according to plan, will never be undone. For starters, it may cost us the 2006 election which has been tilting in our favor. Then think about the next Supreme Court justice that bush will appoint, and not enough Dems to stop it.

[Charlie Brown]

27. free speech is a bitch

I don't believe in silencing others to win elections. That's what the Republicans have done so far.

[bobbolink]

34. So if you were slandered, and, let's say it cost you your job,

you would accept it and say, "Hurrah for free speech!"?

[Charlie Brown]

37. I'm not a former President nt

[MADem]

38. You're clearly not a lawyer, either!!! NT

[bobbolink]

40. Oh, how convenient.

Slander is slander, Charlie.

Why are you in support of lies?

Why do you hate this country?

:)

[MADem]

35. Charlie Brown is a CHILD MOLESTER--is that free speech?

CHARLIE BROWN robs old ladies of their welfare checks. How about that?

Are those statement LIES? Do you feel SLANDERED? Defamed? What if you had to hear that on national TV, with NO REDRESS? None?

ABC will broadcast six hours of bullshit about YOU, and you will have to eat it--and we're gonna feed the lies to CHILDREN and the rest of the population, too.

Your reputation? RUINED.

Lies are NOT free speech. You need to learn the difference. If you defame someone with a LIE, they have the right to redress in court.

Lies are NOT OK, and they ARE what the GOP does.

We've had QUITE ENOUGH of their LIES, thank you.

[Straight Shooter]

36. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand.

=================

There are literally hundreds of quotes you can find of people throughout the ages who, in the quest for fairness, assumed that others should be accorded the respect they wish for themselves. That's all well and fine when you are dealing with equals, but when you are dealing with those who seek to be your masters, you should know when to draw the line.

Indoctrination of children is a line that cannot be crossed.

I'm not saying ABC should not air the movie, but let's see who is sponsoring them, let's have proper disclaimers, et cetera. They are attempting to portray fiction as fact, and are backpedaling because of the blowback they are receiving.

Perhaps you are capable of adjusting to fascism. I am not.

[WinkyDink]

62. Are you unaware of libel and slander laws?

[progressivebydesign]

67. So you'd be okay with YOURSELF being blamed for 9/11??

Just wondering... cuz it makes no difference who it is being slandered, it's still the same. It's not just Clinton they're lying about... it's Albright, Berger, etc. Just wondering if I could write a movie about you and have an actor portray you and bill it as an important American event, then portray you and your close friends as being responsible for the deaths of everyone on 9/11. Okay with that? You wouldn't sue me or anything, right? You wouldnt' demand that I not air my movie, right?

[KayLaw]

48. I can't agree

The people who produced this want to spread lies to Americans to encourage us to vote against our best interests. That's not acceptable.

[LynneSin]

29. I don't support Censorship either but this isn't censorship

This is slander being put on a TV channel that requires nothing more than a function TV with a stretched out wire coat hanger as an antenna. And they're sending this crap to our schools as educational material too.

It's propaganda and I'm not about to allow this country to become another Nazi Germany type propaganda machine!

[MADem]

31. Look, if someone asked you when you stopped molesting your

and the neighbor's children on national TV, and gave you NO OPPORTUNITY to respond, would you feel that was "FAIR?"

People are not allowed to lie willy-nilly without consequence, that is NOT free speech.

Come on--they are marketing lies as truth, and further, propagandizing this shit to children.

It's called SLANDER, not censorship.

slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (See: defamation, fair comment)

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Libel+and+slander

Governor Kean, who is complicit in this atrocity, may have cost his darling boy the senate race, not that he was a shoe-in anyway. There's ANOTHER avenue of attack, FWIW.

Roger Cressey is ripping the SHIT out of ABC and cronies on MSNBC.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. I support boycotts.

Of propaganda.

Especially the stuff that's an insult to 9-11 victims.

[EstimatedProphet]

43. By no means can this be considered censorship

Not unless choosing to not buy a car because of the policies of the company that built it is censorship, or not investing in a company because of their policies is censorship. This is us, as consumers (the food base of corporations) choosing to let a corporation know that we will not support them when they do something we are against. This is voting with our dollars.

[Charlie Brown]

46. It looks like Bill Clinton is trying to have the program pulled

This goes beyond boycotts or pressure from viewers. This is a former government official trying to use his clout to keep a program from being seen by the public.

If this was someone like James Baker or George H. W. Bush trying to stop theaters from picking up a Michael Moore film, would that be acceptable?

[EstimatedProphet]

49. He doesn't have any clout anymore

Not like he did. He's a citizen now. He can't do anything to have the film pulled, any more than any of us. He can't order the IRS to look at ABC's tax records, or the FBI to investigate them, or talk person-to-person to the senator from Florida. All he is is a name now. That may be more clout than you or I, but it isn't anything like what he did have. And if a movie came out that falsely accused GHW Bush, and was proven to be false, I would expect him to speak out against it.

[tenshi816]

50. Michael Moore didn't make a fictionalized drama

and attempt to pass it off as truth. 9/11 was a documentary - how did Moore mislead anyone? Can you point out any untruths in his film?

The ads for this upcoming 9/11 film make it sound as if it's purporting to be telling the truth, and it's clearly not. I don't live in the States anymore, but I was watching ABC when I was on holiday last week and got the impression that this film was an ABC special documentary, not a fictionalized drama production, solely because of the way the ads sounded. I'm betting a lot of other people are under the same impression, and there are going to be plenty of wingnuts quoting it as gospel from now on.

If I were Bill Clinton, I'd be pissed off too.

[WinkyDink]

64. Preventing the spread of lies is not the moral equivalent of

trying to prevent the spread of TRUTH.

What is it about the word "LIES" that you mulishly refuse to grasp?

[progressivebydesign]

68. Moore did NOT use actors portraying anyone with new dialogue.

Get it right. Moore used the actual people, he did not write lines for them.

This movie is using the likenesses and names of REAL people and giving them motivations, words, and actions, that led to the deaths of thousands of people on 9/11. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Richard Steele]

45. Objecting to SLANDER is not censorship, nor is demanding truthfulness.

[depakid]

56. It would be libel

and while no one should have the power of prior restraint, it's perfectly well and good to put the corporation on notice that in the event they choose to air false and defamatory statements that people can be reasonably expected to believe- the corporation will be held to account.

[blm]

58. Kerry campaign and DNC lawyers sent letters to networks reSwiftliars, but

that didn't stop them from giving the swifts all the time in the world to air their smears and lies, even after the official records proved they were lying.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

47. I don't entirely agree.

There are three or four sorts of cases - libel/slander (which I think is the only one applicable here) being the most obvious, but also confidential information, national security, invasion of privacy etc - where it's permissible to use law to forbid someone from saying something.

Neither being wrong or telling lies should be illegal in general; however, telling defamatory lies that you know to be untrue should be & is.

It's not clear to me that that's the case here, though - I think that a good lawyer could probably make a case that the disclaimer about this being a dramatisation and not sticking to the facts is sufficient to make it legal.

We'll have to wait and see.

[tenshi816]

52. It would have to be a good disclaimer, though.

As you say, it needs to be pointed out that extreme liberties have been taken with the facts.

So many liberties appear to have been taken in this production that there's no way it can be called anything except propaganda from the right. I would say I'm shocked that ABC agreed to air it, but nothing shocks me too much anymore.

[WinkyDink]

60. So preventing the telling of lies is "censorship"? Gee, I thought it was

an insistence on historical accuracy.

[LanternWaste]

63. Marketplace of ideas

Censorship is the gov't. and only the gov't. taking action to deny or curtail speech. Otherwise, it's simply the "marketplace of ideas".

[progressivebydesign]

65. It's not censorship. It's libelous and slanderous.

Sooo... tell me. Would it be fine for an ex-spouse of yours to write a movie about you. Have someone portray you, and have you be shown to be personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of people? Would you feel comfy wathcing that on the screen, someone identified as you... sitting on your hands as the fate of thousands of people is sealed by your ineptitude?

It's not censorship.

[JuniperLea]

69. So it's ok by you that school kids are told lies?

Stopping the spewing of lies under the guise of truth is not censorship. That's why there are truth in advertising laws. Children should be taught truths.

If a Lefty produced a pack of lies I'd go after those lies too.

[tabasco]

70. Libel is not protected speech under the First Amendment.

There is no such thing as censorship of libel.

[sendero]

8. I hope they air it..

.. and I hope Clinton sues them for defamation and WINS. It's time to clip the wings of the fucking liars who think they can say anything about anybody and get away with it.

[glitch]

24. This is my position as well.

And not just Bill Clinton, plenty of people will have defamation cases. Not just for personal defamation either, this also applies to other laws; broadcast licensing (what are the implications for licensing when defamation suits are won?), soft election contributions, if I were a lawyer I'd be smacking my chops.

ABC has stepped in it bigtime and now they are tracking it all over their house.

Edit: plus from what I've heard it's lousy and won't achieve their objective anyway.

[Imagevision]

16. ABC just commented they aren't finished editing yet (2:06PM)

[Coexist]

20. according to conservative sites - well, read for yourself...

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/9367b3cd-be2a-40a3-b927-1854a0115108

[Nikki Stone 1]

18. K & R

:kick:

[kiki]

19. Erm, hang on... who's "they"?

With just what you've presented here, this quote could've come from Rush Limbaugh. Allow me to demonstrate:

"These moonbat liberals and feminazis say they want ABC to correct the so-called inaccuracies in the film. But in reality, if it's anything other than taking the movie down completely, they will not be satisfied."

Who is "they"? Who was Clinton's tone condemnatory towards? What's the wider context?

[Coexist]

21. the Clintons. And hopefully, their lawyers.

[StefanX]

22. I think ABC should have its license revoked

Seriously.

Remember when Bush said "You're either with us or against us"?

Well - ABC is against us. This mockumentary helps cover up the incompetence of the people like Bush who DON'T protect our country - and it attacks the people who DO protect our country.

I think ABC is committing treason here.

Will Pitt's "data dump" on Clinton shows that Clinton actually PREVENTED the Millennium attacks, and, if his advice had been heeded, the 9/11 attacks could have been PREVENTED as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2070206

By attacking the guy who prevented attacks, and supporting the guy who let attacks happen, ABC is committing treason, and their license should be revoked.

ABC/DISNEY LOVES TERRORISTS!

[LynneSin]

28. If ABC wants to recoupe their money, just sell it on DVD

I own Farhenheit 9/11 but I know that it will probably never be shown on Network TV. But I'm a liberal and I like buying documentaries similiar to this movie.

ABC should just put it on DVD and slap $24.99 on it. The right-wingers will gobble it up like candy and anyone who is remotely interested in seeing it can rent it out just like they could Fahrenheit 9/11.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

41. If the movie is slanderous/libelous enough for a public figure to sue

Then distributing it on DVD is probably not going to happen either.

[LynneSin]

42. Some could say that about Fahrenheit 9/11

:shrug:

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

53. The truth is an absolute defense

What part of Fahrenheit 9/11 was fabricated?

[glitch]

54. Very good question, and since the replicants are suit-happy and there has

been no suit, I am thinking no part.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

57. Apples vs Oranges

Fahrenheit 9-11 is a very unflattering and one sided portrait of BushCo, etc. but none of it is fabricated.

If the descriptions of this ABC movie are accurate, it is propaganda, like the Swift Boat Liars movie before the 2004 election.

[LynneSin]

59. I never said that any was fabricated

But tehre are plenty of right-wing nut jobs who feel that it is

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

74. I didn't think you meant that any of F 9-11 was fabricated.

I just wanted to make the distinction between the two films.

As for RW nut-jobs, truth is an enemy of fascism.

[WinkyDink]

66. "Some could say" you're a Martian, too. Who the hell cares what

a moron might say?

[oc2002]

32. This IS PROPAGANDA use of 9/11.

And they beleive in thier own made up lies and fabrications.

[lonestarnot]

51. Exploitation of 9/11 victims at it's repiglican finest!

[StefanX]

44. NY Post - pic

[Flying Dream Blues]

73. If anyone can get them to pull it, he can. nt