Good news re: ABC 911 Show

[autorank]

They made a debate on 911 the issue. That's right, by putting up a poorly done, distorted
docu-drama, they made a 911 debate fair game. The corporate media can't ignore it,
particularly ABC. No more hiding in the *shadows* - it's now a topic for debate.

Any key point that people want to bring up will be tied to "triggered by the ABC dramatization."

Clark was out front early with his slam and that's the precedent. Now it's time to go for it.

Why didn't Bush read the memo from Tenet on bin Laden's plans...for a month?

Why was Bush on vacation a month before 9/11 when there were such dire warnings?

Why did Condi come out and say they "never expected" airplanes to be used as weapons?

Why did he fight an investigation from day one?

Why is Sybil Edmunds silenced?

What's this about a parallel disaster plan on the very same day?

What about those warnings from Egyptian and German intelligence agencies about an attack?

Questions or topics for debate anyone???;)

[helderheid]

1. that's the spirit!

:yourock:

[autorank]

4. Lets ask all sorts of questions. You have them, I have them, we all

have them but ooooo.... CM doesn't want to talk about it. Now we'll make them talk.

I hope Paul Thompson takes this trash and does his parallel timeline against the movie.

That would open a whole can of worms too.

Cheers :hi:

[blm]

16. Why Bush refused to read HartRudman Report on Global Terror handed to him

on Jan 30, 2001?

President Gore would have read the two and a half year study the day it was handed to him and would have worked to implement its urgent proposals for homeland security.

A 9-11 event did NOT have to happen.

[The Deacon]

25. President Gore (43rd U.S. President, Elected Nov. 2000)

Already knew what was in there - he & Clinton had been working on Terrorism (both foreign & domestic) since 1993!

[liberaldemocrat7]

37. Why did George W Bush deal with the Taliban and threaten to invade them

in July 2001 set for OCt 2001?

[helderheid]

31. here's another plus - not only 9/11 debated, but the media as well!

[BOSSHOG]

2. Why did bush need a terrorist attack when previous

presidents didn't? That question all pisses the faithful off. Please "christians" tell me, why did he let if happen on purpose?

[yankeeinlouisiana]

3. I think you are right!

This will bring up a lot of questions the * administration does not want to answer.

Thanks ABC for bringing this to the forefront!!

;-)

[autorank]

6. I look forward to the discussion, lively as it may be

:evilgrin:

I would boycott them, but I already do de facto. There's nothing I watch that they produce. My
kid is way to old for Disney Land so I'll never see that place again. Hmmm...I thought, but wait,
lets use them for our talking points and questions.

You're right on the administration not wanting to answer the questions. Serves them right.

[City Lights]

5. Why did Little Queenie fight tooth and nail to keep the commission

from forming?

[Justice Is Comin]

7. What about the PDB in front of his face

putting it in baby language for him what bin Laden was about to do? And what about the CIA agent that filed countless reports about the flying lessons but are they interested in landing? Ummmm not so much.

Bush tells him "alright, you've covered your ass."

Pu-l-eeease.

[Nay]

41. Those were a couple of FBI field agents, actually, and I think they

both ended up leaving the Bureau. Have THEM ask some questions!!

[fooj]

8. Yes, they did.

Norah O'Donnell asked three important questions this morning. What IS the truth about 9-11? Who initiated this "docudrama"? Was it written by a conservative?

Can't stomach O'Donnell. That's beside the point. She STILL said what she said and that allows the American people to ask "What IS the TRUTH about 9-11? Do we really KNOW what the truth is?"

[autorank]

9. And why didn't he fly back to DC or right to NYC?

That's what a bold leader would do, "Damn them, they're not scaring me off."

[EFerrari]

38. What I was going to post. Why did the cheerleader go into his

hidey hole on 9/11 while America was under attack?

He can talk but he doesn't walk. Bush cut and ran on 9/11.

[DemReadingDU]

48. It's difficult for Bush to confront a problem

He's always had someone to bail him out, or tell him what to do.

He took his time to vist new Orleans after Katrina, too.

[EVDebs]

10. Wargames on 9-11...and Ptech (now called 'GoAgile')

This company's access to US security apparatus is beyond the Dubai Ports scandal. Also, Ptech had(has ?) FAA, Air Force, DoD, and White House computer and software access. WTF ? And ABC is going after WJC ? If these morons in the Bush administration have 'kept on' something instituted during the Clinton administration you have to ask yourself 'why' ? Clinton was being and IS BEING SANDBAGGED. Identical to the JFK / Bay of Pigs scandal, only WJC didn't pull the weeds in the CIA/OSP/DIA.

Wargames during 9-11 only merited a footnote reference in the Commission Report. Why ? Did ABC even ask ?

[stillcool]

11. let it be...

open up that can of worms....PLEASE!

[knowbody0]

12. comrade,

you have an amazingly beautiful mind.

[johnnie]

13. That's basically what I was saying

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2072590


But I got nailed for it. LOL. I guess it is all in the way you say it.

[EVDebs]

15. Put your 'Guy Fawkes' mask on and start handing out LooseChange

CDs and DVDs at Ground Zero. The day fast approaches. M$M can't stop it. And David Ray Griffin should be a featured speaker on C-Span's Book TV.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

72. I already did

Me standing in front of very crowded repuke registration booth last weekend.

[autorank]

17. What's wrong with asking questions about 911?

You did get nailed and in your recovery too. I like the post. Don't tell anyone but the people who responded to this thread are all my first or second cousins;) Shhhh...

This is one case where we can make lemon aid out of lemons. Have you seen Paul Thompson's book, Terror Time line, Paul Thompson, very nice and golly gee, why can't everybody go out and buy it as a "companion" to that discussion provoking ABC docudrama.

That would rock. Get well soon.

[johnnie]

23. Thanks

And I agree, we could make lemon aid out of lemons. Send your cousins to my thread..lol.

Seriously, you did a lot better of a job explaining what my thoughts were than I did. :)

I haven't read Paul's book, but I have been following his work online for years now.

[Gregorian]

14. PNAC "Pearl Harbor"

Why lack of NORAD response.

Why sitting in a room with children WHILE IT WAS ALL HAPPENING?

Why not under oath and with Cheney, at the 911 so-called Commission?

[katinmn]

18. True, and it got some Dems off their arses

:)

[katinmn]

20. P.S.

K&R!

[tenshi816]

19. It shouldn't be referred to as a "documentary" though,

because it isn't. "Docudrama" maybe. Propaganda certainly.

Other than that, yeah, your questions need to be asked and if this film piece of crap opens the door to asking them, then that's a good thing.

[autorank]

28. Thanks for the pointer...changed it..."dramatizatoin"

I meant to put "docu-drama" originally but then, when you pointed this out, I decided on "dramatization." But it is NO documentary, my error. Thank you.

[kpete]

21. excellent points

And What About This - Fighting them in Iraq because we're afraid to fight them in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

PAKISTAN: OSAMA FREE TO LIVE PEACEFUL LIFE
Bin Laden Gets a Pass from Pakistan
September 05, 2006 5:41 PM

Osama bin Laden, America's most wanted man, will not face capture in Pakistan if he agrees to lead a "peaceful life," Pakistani officials tell ABC News.

If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden "would not be taken into custody," Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, "as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen."

"They're throwing the towel," said Alexis Debat, who is a Senior Fellow at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant. "They're giving al Qaeda and the Taliban a blank check and saying essentially make yourselves at home in the tribal areas," Debat said.

more at:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006...

[liberal N proud]

22. The attacks happened on bu$h's watch

Clinton admin told the bu$h regime that bin Laden was a threat, they ignored it. WHY?

[AntiFascist]

24. CBC vs. ABC: Why did US intelligence turn a blind eye?

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/intelligence.html

TURNING A BLIND EYE
A third view, explored by the fifth estate, suggests something different altogether: that the evidence pointing to a pending attack was not pursued vigorously (consciously or unconsciously) simply because much of it led back to Saudi Arabia. And that Saudi Arabia holds a special place in the U.S. political, business and intelligence milieu. It's a country that is not held to the same standards of accountability as are other nations. The reason, of course, is America’s enormous dependence on Saudi Arabia for oil. Remember: 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

Here are some of the more significant moments of the intelligence failure that point to this thesis: ...

[hootinholler]

26. Why hasn't the FBI released the video from the cams near the pentagon?

That's a major one in my book.

-Hoot

[WinkyDink]

27. BEST OP on this entire issue! I'm psyched now!

Yeah, how COULD Condi insist on "nobody could imagine", when THAT VERY 9/11 MORNING, CHENEY'S WAR-GAMES were practicing for EXACTLY THAT?!

[autorank]

29. Thank you and, on Condi, I share your incredulity!!!

What a hypocrite she is? They had a guy in jail who was talking about this plot, they had him in f'ing custody and, I believe, on tape talking about it. Was she cut out of the loop? because otherwise, she told the biggest lie on the biggest day of her life in public. She needs to be held accountable!!!

:hi:

[davidwparker]

30. Exactly! It opens the door to a lot of discussion. Things that don't jive

with science: http://physics911.net

[glitch]

32. Dropkick me jaysus!

It's all good. :evilgrin:

[GeorgeGist]

33. Why did he hide...

among school children?

[Me.]

34. Why Did Bldg. 7 Fall?

What parallel disaster plan on the very same day?

*shadow government*

Ps. So crossed-eyed third cousins are not good enough for you any more? Wait till I tell maw & paw.

[Me.]

35. Why Didn't He Get Up From The Chair?

I've always wondered if, as he sat there in crossed-eyed terror, after he received the news, and didn't seem willing to budge, if after the cameras were turned off, did they have to force him to put down the book and exit the room, did they have to carry him out?

*shadow government*

[bvar22]

36. ALSO:

It opens the door for the Democrats to PUT AN END to the Republican LIE that Clinton didn't do anything to fight terrorism.

This is MORE IMPORTANT than asking the above questions of the bush* performance, HAMMER HOME the TRUTH about the Clinton administration battle against the terrorists, and how bush* and the Republicans COMPLETELY dropped the ball that was handed to them.

Familiarize yourself with the FACTS contained in this thread, and spread them far and wide!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1975019

This is also an OPEN DOOR to remind the nation of the REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTION to Clinton's War on TERROR!


"Every one has a plan...Until you hit them in the mouth." --Mike Tyson

[H2O Man]

39. Absolutely!

I think it is great that there is a national discussion that compares the Clinton and the Bush2 administrations, in terms of national security. And the fact that the Disney/ABC folks tried to slip a series of Big Lies into the national subconscious, like a subliminal sales pitch for fear and anxiety, and got CAUGHT is priceless.

[EFerrari]

40. We finally got a break, H2O Man.

:toast:

[H2O Man]

42. History!

I can't help but think of Martin Luther King, Jr:

"I know you are asking today, 'How long will it take?' I come to say to you this afternoon however difficult the moment, however frustrating the hour, it will not be long, because truth pressed to earth will rise again.

How long? Not long, because no lie can live forever.
How long? Not long, because you still reap what you sow.
How long? Not long. Because the arm of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice."

(This is from a speech that Martin's close friends called the "Jonah in the belly of the Whale" speech, delivered at the end of the Selma/Edmund Pettus Bridge to the state capital march on March 25, 1965.)

[EFerrari]

46. "Not long, because no lie can live forever."

Brought tears to my eyes, grateful ones. Thank you.

[Me.]

47. !

Not long...thankfully

*shadow government*

[fooj]

43. Forever branded historically as Purveyors of Propaganda!

It's time to spoonfeed the "truth serum"...

What IS the truth about 9-11?

[Karenina]

44. This is what ya get from the *reptilians...

[Imagevision]

52. ABC 9-11> like a subliminal sales pitch for fear and anxiety (H20man)

my sentiments exactly!

[AtomicKitten]

45. That is certainly a different way to look at this, Mike.

I must say the clip of the crapudrama that I saw used wingnut terminology, i.e., that Clinton considered terrorism a legal matter, and that nonsense has echoed on the other side of the aisle which makes this travesty particularly egregious.

I agree that an honest debate would leave the wingnuts wimpering in the corner, but they are masters of manipulation and evasion and power-point (reads head-butting) repartee. I'd probably have a better debate with my dog, Seven; she is very smart, you know. :)

Quite honestly, I would prefer they yank the damn thing, because over 40% of Americans believe Saddam was involved in 9/11 and even blatant untruths will be absorbed by the sheep who vote.

[autorank]

50. I want it yanked without a doubt...what ever happens this IS a topic.

And I'm for one sided debates, where we just trounce them. With just the questions raised here, it
would have to be stopped on a TKO in the early minutes...then we could continue and just give a great
speech.

I just saw the DSCC letter form Ried and the leadership. Rokken, take their damn license and charge
them with conspiracy to use corporate funds to broadcast a political film. The whole nine yards.

Your dog is, no doubt, very smart. So, lets set up a debate,

your dog Seven versus


my cat Frisky.

Dunno, my cat is pretty clever (but she'd just go to sleep when
she had it won;)

[AtomicKitten]

55. here's the real contender in my house

Renfield vs. Seven

[autorank]

56. That's perfect. Kind of like a marriage;) n/t

[nicknameless]

61. Hey, you have a torbie too!

:)

[autorank]

68. Is that what my cat's called....

She was found in an abandoned car in West Virginia by a nice guy on his way home, which was near DC.

Torbie, cool. I'll give her the word. Thanks.

[autorank]

69. oops

[nicknameless]

71. She looks to be a tortoiseshell and tabby combo.

They're called "torbies".

Thank you for taking her in. :)

[DemReadingDU]

49. Unfortunately, many people watching the ABC series

will believe it's all true, that it was Clinton's fault. Classic Republican tactic - say it often enough so people think that it is ture.

[autorank]

51. Right, but now that it may be yanked, we have the best of both worlds.

This is just disgusting. I'm particularly appaled by the involvement of schools and Scholaswtic. What a vile conswpiracy, and it is that.

Let the 911 gates open and the truth be told, the awkward questions asked.

And lets make Keane an example. He consulted on this. What a bum, indeed. Every Jersey Democrat needs to show on November, victory by landslide for us.

[nicknameless]

53. Why did Ashcroft tell FBI: No more meetings on terrorism.

Why did Ashcroft deny FBI $58 Million for counter-terrorism?
Why did Ashcroft stop flying on commercial jets in July 2001?
What about PNAC and their need for "a new Pearl Harbor"?
Why didn't the FBI act on reports from flight schools about suspicious individuals?
What action, if any, did dimson take after the PDB warnings in 2001?
Why have individuals like Sibel Edmonds been silenced?
Why haven't top bushco officials appeared under oath to answer questions?
Why were war games conducted on 9-11-01 while real hijackings were occurring?
Why weren't those games cancelled when true events became known?
Why were fake radar signals being sent during the hijackings?
Why weren't F16s/other intercepts scrambled when the commercial jets went off course?
Why was the scrap metal from WTC quickly sold and shipped out of the country?
Why didn't dimson take immediate action rather than remain in the class room?
Why was the administration demanding that intelligence connect 9-11 with Iraq, when no hijackers were Iraqi?

[autorank]

57. Outstanding!!! n/t

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

54. Why did NORAD stand down in NYC that morning?

That's NEVER been answered.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. Maybe moveon.org will do saome ads

n/t

[Ouabache]

63. right and ABC won't even run them for the ad revenue in all

liklihood.

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. !

:applause: Here's hoping for the best!

[alfredo]

60. At least Clinton was paying attention to the threat.

[gulliver]

62. Why did Bush just sit there?

All we have to do is show that footage over and over. I'll never forget that day, wondering if we were under some sort of nuclear threat with little Junior bunny hopping all over the country. And Karl Rove making up a "credible threat" to explain Bush's cowardice, a black lie that could have diverted military resources away from protecting America to protecting an unthreatened Bush.

And Bush tearing up in the Oval Office on national TV the next day like a wussier, stupider version of Fredo Corleone.

It's a bitter memory because it is true, but no one seems to remember it. It's like Bush was so bad that people just decided to close their eyes. I would love to see a revisit of the real truth of Bush on that day.

[Hailtothechimp]

64. Why did you think "That's one lousy pilot"?

You admitted you did in December of 2001. Surely you never thought the August 6 PDB would be uncovered, or you never would have made such an idiotic statement.

Now why don't you tell us the truth for a change?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0405/S00212.htm

[mhatrw]

65. A radical evangelical Christian group funded "The Path to 9/11"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2073411&mesg_id=2073411

[Crunchy Frog]

66. What role did the Reagan and Bush I administrations

have in building up and supporting bin Laden and Al-Qaeda during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?

If they're going to go all the way back to the Clinton administration, why not go back even farther?

[EFerrari]

67. Two other things. 1) We now know their process.

We know how they operate and next time, because there will be a next time, it will be easier to counter them.

And 2) We know that they don't really believe George Bush has kept them safe. They've just revealed the depths of their hypocrisy. If Junior was the hero they rave about, there would be no need to LIE about Clinton to make Junior look better. I hope the Democrats understand that and PUSH on it.

/spellin'

[autorank]

70. What about that weird speech * gave in DC when he got back? n/t

[Name removed]

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