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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:03 PM
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Kerry on Tweety now
Edited on Thu Sep-07-06 04:04 PM by malaise
Discussing Bush's torture.

Add.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:04 PM
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1. Please keep those of us without TV informed!
Thanks! :hi:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:09 PM
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3. Says
re speeches - timed for political effect. Not effective for example Bush says terrorists in Afghanistan are on the run while Nato chief says he needs more troops because terrorists are regrouping -Kerry believes the Nato chief.

lied about where Osama was now pretending they have them on the run.
Iran more powerful today than before 9/11. Proof this is a failed policy Rumsfeeld accountable for many of the failures.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:08 PM
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2. Wow, so far kerry is unusually good in his responses
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:13 PM
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5. Excellent Iraq now
wants to know why kids exposed to IEDs - need to fight this differently. Discussing his plan. How to win - can't unless Iraqis resolve differences between them.
Bush's comments have given Iraqis signal not to do anything - no date set to make them take over. Bush wants political debate and is selling fear and is not selling a winning strategy for the war but an election strategy.
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loves_dulcinea Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:06 PM
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11. if only
he had been this good during the race.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:10 PM
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I hope Kerry mentions the al-Libi case--the connection has to be drawn
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9991919/site/newsweek/page/2/

In addition to the new issues the latest al-Libi disclosure raises about the handling of pre-war Iraq intelligence, it also raises questions about the reliability of information gleaned from high-value Al Qaeda detainees who have been incarcerated in secret CIA facilities or “rendered” to foreign countries where they are believed to have been subjected to harsh and even brutal interrogation techniques.

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In early 2002, Cloonan says, al-Libi was ordered turned over to the CIA and, with his mouth covered by duct tape, the shackled Al Qaeda operative was transferred in a box onto an airplane at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. Cloonan says he was later told that al-Libi was flown to Egypt, which CIA officials believed was his country of origin. (In fact, the FBI believed that al-Libi, as his nom de guerre suggests, was actually from Libya.)

The CIA, as part of its standard policy relating to its handling of all Al Qaeda captives, has declined to comment on what interrogation methods were used, where al-Libi was taken or where he is now being held (although some reports suggest he has since been transferred to the U.S. military facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.)

What is known is that starting in the fall of 2002, al-Libi’s statements to his interrogators became the principal basis for a series of alarming Bush administration assertions about training that Saddam’s regime purportedly provided to Al Qaeda terrorists in the use of chemical and biological weapons. President Bush first referred to the claims in his Oct. 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati where he strongly emphasized Saddam’s ties to international terror groups in general and Al Qaeda in particular. “We’ve learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases,” Bush said. (Ironically, this is the same speech that the White House, at the CIA’s request, deleted references to Iraqi attempts to purchase uranium “yellowcake” from Africa because of questions about the reliability of the information.)

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But according to the newly declassified DIA and CIA documents provided to Levin, the credibility of those statements by Bush and Powell were already in doubt within the U.S. intelligence community. While the DIA was the first to raise red flags in its February 2002 report, the CIA itself in January 2003 produced an updated version of a classified internal report called “Iraqi Support for Terrorism.” The previous version of this CIA report in September 2002 had simply included al-Libi’s claims, according to the newly declassified agency document provided to Levin in response to his inquiries about al-Libi. But the updated January 2003 version, while including al-Libi’s claims that Al Qaeda sent operatives to Iraq to acquire chemical and biological weapons and training, added an important new caveat: It “noted that the detainee was not in a position to know if any training had taken place,” according to the copy of the document obtained by NEWSWEEK. It was not until January 2004—nine months after the war was launched—that al-Libi recanted “a number of the claims he made while in detention for the previous two years, including the claim that Al Qaeda sent operatives to Iraq to obtain chemical and biological weapons and related training,” the CIA document says.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:10 PM
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4. He sounds fantastic and makes so much sense! nt
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:15 PM
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6. Wow! Thanks for posting!
That was awesome! He looked great and was very forceful. Tweety was a little taken aback, I think.

After the interview, Tweety commented something to the effect of, "Well, there you have it. According to John Kerry the administrations statements on terror are a political strategy."

I missed the first part, but I'm heading to the Kerry Group because they'll have the link to the transcript or more info to be sure.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:29 PM
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12. Kerry's getting the interviewers to come to his office. It makes
a difference in that they tend to act a bit more like journalists and less like assclowns when they are off their own sets.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:53 PM
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15. Good point
Smart plan. :toast:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 09:24 AM
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20. I hope more key Dems take note - unfortunate that they have to learn about
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 09:25 AM by blm
media corruption the hard way. They should learn from Gore and Kerry and treat the media as BushInc's front line of defense.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 08:40 PM
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17. LOL! This is true. Tweety in particular. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:21 PM
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7. So he's for doing what bush asked for (torture)?
Will congress then keep our liberties watered down and set a precedent in legislation?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:39 PM
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8. No, Kerry's adamantly against torture. Did you listen to him? nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:00 PM
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10. Tweety repeat with Kerry now n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:50 PM
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9. Sorry he was against any form of torture.
Will post a link later. Very good interview.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:30 PM
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13. He sides with Geneva convention.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 07:34 PM
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14. The video's up
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697

Man, he was excellent. I didn't see a transcript, but here's what I took down on the torture question.

CM: What do you think is appropriate torture?
JK: There is no appropriate torture. Period. We've been arguing that for a long time. They have been arguing to be allowed to torture. This is the first administration in American history the vice president of the united states says we should be allowed to torture. They argue for torture, for a loophole that allowed them to do it. Now the president stands up and says the United States doesn't torture. Well, I think they have ignored the fact that the Geneva Conventions were not put in place because we're nice, they're not in place to be soft. They're put in place to support and defend the interests of our troops in the battlefield so that if young Americans are captured, we know we've done the best to be able to have them treated properly.
CM: The president, maybe it's a matter of wording, the president says he's using tough interrogation techniques. How do you read that?
JK: There are techniques which are legitimate under military practices. This is not softball. It's war. It's tough, and the fact is that there are tough situations.
CM: Is waterboarding in or out?
JK: There are things that are short of torture. (This is clearly a continuation of the previous answer, and not an answer to the waterboarding question).
CM: How about water boarding make a guy think he's drowning.
JK: If we start going down...
CM: But isn't that what he's asking you to do in the Senate and in the House of Representatives, to basically legislate what's in and what's out? In terms of how we treat prisoners in terms of.
JK: Well, if they want us to do every single particular practice we can do that. We can write the manual for them and we're happy to do it. Shows again the ineffectiveness of this administration that they're unwilling to do that in keeping with American values. Happy to do it. Bottom line is we need to prosecute these people, bring them to justice. We need to be tough in the world. I think what's happened is that this administration has lost that toughness in a real sense because they're more rhetorical than they are substance in their ability to be...ability to do things. Other countries won't follow them. Other countries don't listen to them. Other countries don't support them. They've divided the world.


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 08:23 PM
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16. Thanks GV
It was a great interview - Kerry managed to completely take over at the end after answering the torture question.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 08:49 PM
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18. This has really got me pumped for Saturday's speech.
I've never seen Sen Kerry speak at Faneuil Hall, but I hear it's quite an experience. And it's great that C-Span will carry it on Sunday. Perfect timing, I'll just get home and be able to watch it again.
Excellent interview. The Dems have been kicking ass lately.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 10:08 PM
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19. Same here - also it will be cool to see you and the others
I agree excellent interview - I think the vacation (during which he and Teresa seemed to still do lots of work) must have helped. Overall that was one of the best interviews I've heard.
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