CONDI SAYS: Anti-War = Pro-Slavery!

[Ediacara]

This woman has a doctorate? Yet she can't see she's creating a false dilemma and straman (at the very least), two major major logical fallacies? And RW nutters will fall for this bullshit like it's straight from Jesus' own lips.... :eyes:

Rice: Being Anti-War Is Being Pro-Slavery
By BET.com News Staff & Wire Services

Posted Sept. 6, 2006 – If you’re against the war in Iraq, you might as well consider yourself pro-slavery, according to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

In a recent interview with Essence magazine, Rice said that Blacks folks might have been enslaved much longer than they were if the North decided to end the American Civil War earlier than it did.

"I'm sure there are people who thought it was a mistake to fight the Civil War to its end and to insist that the emancipation of slaves would hold," she told the magazine.

"I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now, make peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?'"

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[Spinzonner]

1. Didn't Lincoln himself, the party icon ...

say that the war was about the Union, not slavery ?

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

[Jacobin]

5. Yes. The Emancipation Proclamation

was signed in 1863, two years after the war started and was ONLY effective in the states that had seceded. Much later slaves in the states that had not seceded were freed.

[razors edge]

20. lincoln wrote an amendment to the constitution

to protect slavery (anonymously) prior to taking office, it didn't pass of course but i read recently another original copy of it was found recently, apparently they are rare as they were normally destroyed when found to protect his image.

been a week or so since i read this but i could try to find it again.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Yes. Martin Luther King was notoriously pro-slavery.

Calling her drivel "crap" would be giving her too much credit.

[Ediacara]

3. it would be an insult to crap

[bobbolink]

18. Good thing I read first, because that was my first thought.

The mind boggles.

[Kutjara]

4. So, by making this comparison...

...is Condi saying that what's happening in Iraq is a civil war? Quite an illuminating analogy for her to draw. There's no slip like a Freudian slip.

[Ediacara]

7. nice one :-)

[dogday]

6. Condiliesalot has lost all perspective

and is shooting the kool-aid through her veins these days....

[Straight Shooter]

8. "I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now..."

Okay, then, name them. Name those people who said that, Condi. Go ahead. Grab your history book, peruse some pages, and name them.

Another APOOHA from Condi. (Argument Pulled Out Of Her A**.)

[dsc]

12. actually the entire Presidential campaign of 1864

which most historians think Lincoln might well have lost but for the fact the war starting going well in 1864, was all about ending the war. The Democratic candidate, had he won, would have done just that. That doesn't make her analogy correct but she is right that people opposed the contituation of the Civil War.

[Straight Shooter]

19. My problem is her failure to cite names and specific instances.

I stand corrected, to a degree. :)

But, Kindasleezy is using words to express the situation today as if we were in a parallel situation with the events leading up to the Civil War. We aren't, not by a long shot. Totally different scenario.

I'm just tired of the whole "some people say" defense/offense posture used by the bush administration. If some people say it, or said it, then quote the person directly. This gives us the opportunity to judge the validity of the quote and we can weigh its merit in accordance with how we view the character of the one who said it.

If Daniel Webster said it, that would give me pause for thought. John Wilkes Booth, I would discard it as without merit.

edit my spelling

[dsc]

21. I agree she is wrong in her comparision

and naming names would have been helpful too.

[Nutmegger]

9. We were fascists, now we're pro-slavery?

Great job on the cease-fire by the way.

[OregonDem]

10. Um the right has been implying that the Civil War & WWII were started to

end slavery, and fascism. Nothing could be further from the truth, since the south started the war by firing on Fort Sumter and the Germany declared war on the US after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. These were wars started to spread slavery and fascism, and fortunately they were defeated in their efforts. So as far as starting wars goes the Bush Administation can be found among Nazis, and slaveowners. If Kindasleezy is saying that we should finish the job against those that actually attacked us (al Queda) then by that measure they have failed since they diverted the military's resources away from the real enemy to fight a nation that was not involved in 9/11.

[razors edge]

23. perfect g bomb

[Donald Ian Rankin]

11. Nonononono

There's a world of difference between believing that all wars everywhere are wrong, and that a specific war is wrong.

It makes no more sense to compare opposing Iraq to opposing the civil war than it does to compare supporting it to supporting Hitler's invasion of Poland.

[Ediacara]

13. Yep

That's exactly the false dilemma and strawman I was referencing. And people refer to her as Doctor Rice with a straight face....

[loves_dulcinea]

15. what is sad is

that there are people in this country who will swallow that shit without even pausing. it's F*cking Orwellian.

[Crunchy Frog]

14. If you're a Republican

you might as well consider yourself a Nazi.

Really, the vast majority of people who oppose the Iraq war are not against ALL wars, only against wars that clearly have no justification. Repukes are such idiots.:eyes:

[AntiFascist]

16. The big difference is....

we started another nation's civil war. As democracy is looking less and less hopeful, we are merely there to protect our oil interests. What does Condi take us for?

[and-justice-for-all]

17. For fucks sake!! Still working hard for whitey I see....

That makes no since what so ever, being anti-war is equal to being pro-slavery?! what a dumb bitch.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

22. If only the ancestor's of today's GOP knew this.

They'd have never shelled Fort Sumter.


Whatta load of fertilizer, Condi.

[Marr]

24. I wonder if she ever looks in the mirror and just feels revulsion.

Talk about a total lack of pride. The power structure she's defending is the modern version of the plantation owner, not the Union. But her bosses send her out with this line specifically because she's black, and she just dutifully parrots it.

Pathetic.

[CarlVK]

25. Why would you listen to a word that scuzzbag has to say?

I'd rather clean my toilet than listen to a word of hers.