A right-wing blogger is trying to "rebut" my thread about forgetting 9/11

[Ignacio Upton]

(I'm not going to tell you which blog this is or give the link, because I don't want to give this guy any traffic. I'm sure that considering the fact that he found my thread, he'll find this one anyway.)

Anyway, I guess my thread from last week about wanting to forget 9/11, because of how politicized and exploited the day has become, has taken off in the conservative blogosphere. I also found a copy of my thread on a certain site that is a conservative parody of DU that I also won't directly mnetion (I'll just say that they pathetically have an entire forum dedicated to watching this site.) And today I found another copy of my thread, but this time the Freeper who got a hold of it tried to "debunk" me with talkingpoints from Path to 9/11.

Here's a sample of his thread, with my responses in bold:

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Just in time for the 5th anniversary of that terrible day comes this kind of talk at DummiesU: (as always, filled with cussing)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2037923&mesg_id=2037923

Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-02-06 07:39 PM
Original message
“Never forget 9/11!”…..fuck that!

I’m sorry but all 9/11 has brought us and the world is war and death. When people tell me “never forget” the term becomes loaded with the connotation of “fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here.”

I want to forget that that gruesome attack ever happened, and that nearly 3,000 of my fellow countrymen (and visitors to America) weren’t murdered by Al Qaida. On 9/11/06, I will not watch any cable networks that day, because it will just be one big grief-orgy, with Bush running around to exploit it.

So not only does he want to forget 9/11 ever happened, he thinks Al-Qaeda didn’t do the attack in the first place. Every family member of every victim in those towers needs to see this kind of stuff. This is the face of the new improved Democratic party.

(Hey Curt, why are you putting words in my mouth and claiming that I believe in MIHOP when I never even brought that up in my post? What I'm doing is speaking out on the brazen politicization of 9/11 as done by you and your fellow wingnuts. 9/11 truely is the swiss army knife of excuses for you people. Bush and Cheney wanted to go into Iraq BEFORE 9/11 and had been planning for the illegal wiretapping program during that "pre-9/11 world." He even blames 9/11 on the economy (when there was a recession going on beforehand) and the deficit (when most of the debt was thanks to the tax cuts and the obscene amounts of pork projects injected into bills by the REPUBLICAN Congress over the last five years.
A President who sits for seven minutes in a fucking Florida classroom with a "deer in the headlights look" is no "War President" no matter how many photo ops he may make. A "War President" does not cut FBI counter-terrorism funding in the Spring of 2001, and he does not ignore a PDB memo that reads "Bin Laden determined to strike inside the U.S." And a "War President" does tell public that he's no longer concerned with the guy (whom he also failed to catch at Tora Bora) who murdered 3,000 Americans.

This one is a bit of a revisionist huh?

Webster Green Sat Sep-02-06 07:46 PM
Response to Original message
5. I think its’s time we moved on…

I’ll never forget that it was republics that let it happen on their watch. We should take them out of power and move on.

Yeah, let me see….Bush being in office for 9 months or the previous 8 years of Clinton….hmmm.

Clinton cut and ran from Somalia, the 93 WTC bombing, the Cole, the Kenyan bombings, all occured under Clintons watch. When given the chance to get his hands on Osama he turned it down. When given the chance to bomb Osama, he turned it down. Clinton taught Osama that we were a paper tiger (at least under Clintons watch) and his policies allowed the Gorelick wall to come into play.

(Somalia was a humanitarian mission, not analogous to Afghanistan circa 2001. And why don't your ask St. Ronnie Reagan why he "cut and ran" from Lebanon in 1983, since Bin Laden often brought up that incident in addition to Somalia.
You also try to blame Clinton for BOTH WTC attacks, and yet he was only President for ONE month when the '93 attack happen. The people who carried that attack came here and set things up ON BUSH SR.'S WATCH! And why couldn't Bush Sr. catch Ramzi Yousef when he snunk into this country in 1992? And Clinton CAUGHT the people who tried to destroy the WTC the first time and they were sentenced to life in prison.
As for the 1998 African Embassy Bombings. You fuckers alleged that Clinton was "wagging the dog" to distract the public from the Lewinsky "scandal" when he ordered air strikes to take out Bin Laden.
And as for the USS Cole, the Yemenis dawdled and tried to obstruct our investigation into the attacks. And Clinton had been trying to get Bin Laden since before the attack and continued to try and get him.
Oh, and that "wall" you talk about? Let's ask Republican Commission member Slade Gorton what he had to say about that in his letter to the Washington Times:

"The one witness who did name Atta came to our staff shortly before the commission's report went to the printer. He said he thought he had seen something showing Atta in Brooklyn early in 2000. We knew, in fact, that Atta first arrived in the United States in June 2000 with a visa. For this and other reasons, the witness simply was not credible on this subject.

Additionally, the assertion that the commission failed to report on this program to protect Ms. Gorelick is ridiculous. She had nothing to do with any "wall" between law enforcement and our intelligence agencies. The 1995 Department of Justice guidelines at issue were internal to the Justice Department and were not even sent to any other agency. The guidelines had no effect on the Department of Defense and certainly did not prohibit it from communicating with the FBI, the CIA or anyone else."

Those legal restrictions that collectively made up the "wall" were added on over decades, most notably with the Reagan years as being one of their starting points. Gorlick's memo had no bearing of intelligence policy.
And Ashcroft's deputy AG also reauthorized the wall in August of 2001.


I don’t know about you but I would tend to disagree with the poster.

WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-03-06 11:01 AM
Response to Original message
28. I don’t hear this about Pearl Harbor much any more. Why 9/11/01?

This guy believes Christians to be the number one enemy inside the US:

BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-02-06 07:50 PM
Response to Original message
7. They are already here and they are supported by the gop

Insane “christians” led by radical christian clerics doing their best to undermine the constitution. They are the number one domestic enemy of our constitution, and they are more of a threat then Muslims, because the “christians” are amongst us right now, and they have the support of the majority political party in this country.

Another wacko:

panader0 (975 posts) Sat Sep-02-06 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
9. I, for one, am still not truly convinced that Al Queda was 100% responsibl

There are still too unanswered questions.

The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-02-06 08:38 PM
Response to Original message
15. When ever some asshole tells me “Never forget” I try like

hell to forget. Not that they will let me forget that one, they need it as an excuse to lay more countries to waste.

As always with liberals, they blame Bush:

Octafish (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-02-06 10:39 PM
Response to Original message
18. Never forget who was responsible.

The Little Turd
from Crawford.

This guy believes 3000 innocent people dying from a terrorist attack is akin to Bush being elected:

niyad (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-03-06 12:49 AM
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24. NEVER forget 12/12/2000–when 5 REPUBLICAN-appointed justices of

the supreme court abrogated the constitution and handed this country over to the neocons, with all the attendant horrors we have witnessed since then.

I gotta tell ya, the mind of a liberal is a scary place.

They want to live in a pre-9/11 world, pretend it all didn’t happen. Close to 3,000 of our citizens died that day but since it wasn’t one of them…who cares.

If only we had held hands longer and sung kum bah yah longer then peace would have been realized right? If we had a Democrat as President then he would have spoken softer, gentler, and they wouldn’t hate us right?

I mean we probably asked for it right? It would have been easier if only we had appeased them, given them what they want…..then we would be living in a pre-9/11 world where Clinton is still a god.

Curt, you're full of shit in trying to put words in our mouth. Ideally I would like to pretend that 9/11 happened, not only because it was a horrendous tragedy, but because it has since been used to justify all sorts of crap not even related to it. It was used by the same President who FLIP FLOPPED on creating the 9/11 Commission and continued to obstruct it soon after (he even refused to testify under oath for it and only did so with Cheney at his side!) It is the same President who tried to sell our ports in Dubai and who outsourced the Bin Laden hunt in Tora Bora, that exploited this event. This is the same President who has cut counter-terrorism funding numerous times (the DHS cut money for NYC and DC, the sites of 9/11, claiming that there were no major targets there. And yet money was given to "an insect zoo, a bourbon festival, a bean fest and a kangaroo conservation center." to quote USA Today.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-12-homelandsecurity_x.htm
Next time Curt, try engaging us with facts instead of right-wing and Path to 9/11 talkingpoints.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Anybody stupid enough to buy in to bush is too stupid

to know they are fucked up. There isn't any point in arguing with any of them, it's permanent.

[rman]

2. Nice. But, don't forget

People didn't forget about JFK, people won't forget about 9-11.
If it's used for propaganda, debunking is more effective than ignoring it.

[Ignacio Upton]

3. True

But the way in which the attack has been perverted and exploited by the right-wing just makes me sick.

[zbdent]

4. Bet the repukes wouldn't know who Crispus Attucks was

without having to google it first or check wikipedia

(not sure on the spelling ... refuse to do so at this time to give them help ...)