It's just a damn TV show!

[DaDeacon]

Oh people just stop it, we've taken a miniseries that only would have pulled a nothing rating and turned into must see tv. The people who would have seen this movie as gospel more than likely will be watching FOOTBALL yeah sunday and monday night are owned by the sport maybe you heard of it. We have made a moon out of a baseball!

[LSK]

1. are you kidding????

TV programs the general public.

Where have you been for the past 50 years????

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. And we live in a TV culture

where voters make decisions based on slanted political commercials.

Yes, this show matters. A lot.

[SoyCat]

31. Agreed. When Americans hear/see something on tv, they believe it. Don't

think that a disclaimer will work; they won't even read it. 43% of Americans still believe that Saddam was responsible for 9-11. Why? Because that's what they were told and what was inferred 24/7 on all the news shows. If the miniseries airs, the lies it contains will become "facts".

[bdamomma]

56. yes, this is very bad, they are using american citizens as a$$holes

what does bush say all the time, he always equates us just sitting in front of TV, and take what is on TV as gospel. This is dangerous this is pure propaganda and excuses bush ever being involved, but we know better don't we, it was bush sitting in that classroom, and to some people who have no sense at all they will take this all in, get ready for people to say it was Clinton's fault again. Just because Bush is a man who doesn't question anything they apparently think everyone thinks like Bush. I am pissed.

[Onlooker]

3. It's a great issue

It's a rallying cry that's unifying us (most of us).

[Imagevision]

4. It's just a damn TV show! - that exactly is the problem, it isn't

just a damn TV show! It'll be accepted as a true story and accounting of the facts surrounding 9-11 via fiction...

[aquaman]

5. whatever cowboy,

shame on you fool me once, shame on me fool uhhh, well.

[npincus]

6. WRONG- tv is the conduit for GOP propaganda, Swiftboaters,

liars and miseducation of an intellectually lazy American public.

You are so wrong.

[kurth]

7. It is a pre-election primetime six-hour $40M infomercial for the GOP

written by the RW, produced by the RW, previewed by the RW, approved by the RW.

[bdamomma]

57. yup and they are in power and don't give a fuck about anyone

except themselves, they can say/do anything they want, or so they think?

[Lex]

8. Probably what Kerry thought when the Switftboaters started up

with their lies.

I think he wishes he had his time to do over with that.

[Vinnie From Indy]

9. The program certainly seems to be rallying the base

I think that is excellent. The program is also forcing America to discuss the FACTS of 9/11 and, in my opinion, it is making Bush look as ridiculous as he is in reality.

[Torgo Johnson]

10. That's the exact same mindset...

That's the exact same mindset of the people who suggested that Kerry shoud just ignore the Swift Boat liars in 2004.

And we all know how well that turned out.

[DaDeacon]

16. NO NO NO!

Kerry's big mistake was his inability to out frame his opponents slander and redirected at them with better arguments. This is the same thing and now we are falling for the same trap! We all go after this issue time, resources, ink what have you and in a week they will out flank on some other issue that this will help make the way for. Watch just set back and watch!

[Vinnie From Indy]

30. LOL!

Really?

Your position is nonsense. The larger issue in regard to the Swiftboating of Kerry and the ABC 9/11 program is that the gargantuan corporate conglomerates that provide Americans with upwards of 80% of what they receive as news, are fully and completely part of the right wing propaganda network. For example, the Swiftboaters only had to spend a paltry sum on making their outrageous and untrue allegations against Kerry and the MSM did the rest. In essence, the MSM IS NOW the PR arm of the GOP. It is nearly impossible for a Democrat to define anything or anyone because the vast majority of news organizations will never show it or discuss it. The MSM in the case of the Swiftboaters AND this 9/11 piece of dung, shamudrama are providing the GOP and BushCo with millions and millions of dollars of free propaganda and PR. It is sickening and quite true.

[DaDeacon]

60. "For example, the Swiftboaters only..."

"For example, the Swiftboaters only had to spend a paltry sum on making their outrageous and untrue allegations against Kerry and the MSM did the rest." What are you smoking had we not allowed the MSM to PUSH thoses clowns as a real voice they would never have gotten a foothold. We allowed the GOP to run wild on that issue for a month before the real question was asked by Kerry, "Where was Bush's service record, since we need to attack mine?" That should have been THE first and last word on the issue from us.

[mdmc]

110. i am not following bra

Do you think the msm gives a shit about posters on DU? Who is this "we" or "us" that you speak of?

[LostinVA]

63. Go sell it someplace else -- we ain't buying it

[DaDeacon]

11. hate to tell ya'

Fox news is still on the air, Rush is still number one, and oh yeah Bush stole the election. This is a silly fight bigger fish to fry. The movie would have went largly unnoticed in most homes. NFL opening weekend along with the first conference games for most college teams the masses would have missed this one. The right wing would be using it as a preaching box on monday with no one really have seeing it but look at it now! Come ON! we have made a bigger whole than the sum of this issues parts.

[Corgigal]

17. This isn't about football

fox or Rush. This is about 9-11 and truth. People in the World Trade Center had to decide to choose between falling or melting. This isn't about Clinton or the Democratic party.

I guess you had to be a New Yorker to understand why this can't be used to Bullshit people. It can't be anyone talking points.

I understand why this administration wants this choice of programing run. Then let them run it at a GOP function. It should not be affiliated with a news network nor tie up the people's air wave.

[CBGLuthier]

36. Now that is a bit too much

I guess you had to be a New Yorker to understand why this can't be used to Bullshit people.

Yeah, the rest of us just can not appreciate it because we didn't live in NYC.

I live in OKC. Site of the "original" worst terrorist attack on american soil. Give me a break please.

All americans were affected by that day. Not just New Yorkers.

[Uzybone]

50. The movie is slated to show on Sun and Mon Night

The only football games on Monday are on cable, which is in about 60-65% of homes. And not everyone loves football. Those who do will still watch football anyways.

[DaDeacon]

65. Those who watch? You do realize that football is the # 1 rated sport?

[WinkyDink]

12. Dream on. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2081154

[Gidney N Cloyd]

13. No football in all the classrooms where the DVD will be shown.

[DaDeacon]

19. Yes, we all kno wkeeds pay attention to classroom movies!

[LostinVA]

105. You think they DON'T pay attention to indoctrination?

Ever see that quite excellent series on the History Channel of the HJ? Know who the most brutal and fantastic soldiers were as the Germans were losing? Who turned in their parents? Who attacked foreign laborers? etc.? The kids who were gotten to early.

Get 'em young.

THIS is how it starts -- in drips... drips that get bigger all the time until they turn into a deluge.

It's interesting to me that you are advocating letting this go. Fuck that. I'm tired of "letting things go" the last six years. I'm tired of these twisted, unpatriotic bastards

[gratuitous]

14. Then go do something else

There are a lot of people involved in pressuring ABC, and the Holy Rodent Empire seems to be feeling the heat for a change. If you have something that's more pressing, more useful, more productive, for liberal causes, then by all means go do it. Just stay out of the way of other people working on a different part of the corrupt elephant.

Especially if you have a pet project that you'd like to pursue. Folks are far more likely to help out on a project when they've been helped (or at least not hindered) in the past.

[Jacobin]

15. Propaganda works. Look at what it got the German people to do

We have a brand spanking new Viet Nam, just 35 years after everyone said 'Never Again'...because of propaganda.

Its not 'just a tv show'.....

[DaDeacon]

21. Not that again, BUSH IS NOT HITLER

Hitler was a better leader :)

[WinkyDink]

98. No, he's Mussolini.

[LaPera]

102. What fascist leader do you accept, from a total neocon corporate fascist

such as Bush?

[JHB]

18. No, it's a Big Fat Target, and deserves to be shot down

n/t

[stanwyck]

20. We're not rolling over this time

We're tired of these liars. The paid whores. The Swiftboat Liars who get paid to smear veterans. The Jeff Gannons -- all the "oh, I forgot I was on the payroll" "journalists" who are getting paid to spread LIES. The infomercials sent to TV stations as "news"...read by actors reading GOP scripts.
Don't you get it? We start shrugging this off and we end up in a totally totalitarian state.
We have to fight back. Against even "damn TV shows."

[DaDeacon]

22. I am too, but we have to fight smarter not harder.

We aren't dancing to our tune but to the GOP run around. We have seen this again and again. issue like this they want us to go after while the attention we should be putting into the events line taking back the house and keeping the country foucused on the real life failures of Bush get overlooked!

[LostinVA]

64. You need to knock off the nitrous oxide

[Beelzebud]

23. Family Guy is just a damn TV show. This is propaganda.

There is a difference.

[Catherine Vincent]

24. Hmmm, OK then...

n/t

[tenshi816]

39. Hee. I read that too.

Isn't it interesting how much bad grammar, many typos and let's-back-down-from-this-issue talk tells you about someone?

:hi:

[Hobarticus]

25. False.

This is another inch down that slippery slope, why we're losing the larger battles that you discussed. A lie travels halfway around the world, before the truth gets it's boots on. This time, the truth is getting a head start. Maybe if we'd been active before, the battles you say take precedence would never have needed to be fought.

[TahitiNut]

26. Who shot JR?

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

27. The winners of the $64,000 Question are brilliant!

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

28. Remember: The War of The Worlds ... aliens have landed!!

... but that was "just a radio show". :eyes:

[Nikki Stone 1]

33. You beat me to it!

Didn't people actually start shooting because of that radio show?

[DaDeacon]

40. and looked like damn fools for it.

[TahitiNut]

46. Some people don't seem to know when they look "like damn fools."

:shrug: ... and they probably vote, too.

[TahitiNut]

44. I think someone shot at a farm water tower.

:evilgrin: Them water towers sure look like alien spaceships.

[Nikki Stone 1]

91. That rings a bell

I remember shooting coming out of the panic but I don't think anyone got injured.

[rman]

29. It's fiction claiming to be truthful.

"Dramatized" doesn't mean you can just make stuff up.

To say it is "just a TV show" is to downplay the significance of the fact that it is fiction pretending to be truth.

[DaDeacon]

41. That is true but isn't that the same fault of fox news?

[VOX]

32. If it was "just a damn TV show," right-wingers wouldn't have made it.

It is being presented on the anniversary of a tragedy, *without commercial interruption* (WHO bought all that network air time?), for political gain.

It's being fobbed off as history, when it in fact re-writes history. It is designed strictly to influence, and thus is pure propaganda, which (as far as network television is concerned) is illegal. :grr:

[gratuitous]

62. A $40 million production

For nothing. Right. Uh huh. Yeah, there's not any agenda here. Nobody's trying to sell or promote anything. Just a teevee show. That's all. Pay it no mind. The Scholastic tie-in? Just a coincidence. Not trying to massage the message for the kids. Nosiree bob.

Who is the original poster trying to kid?

And, by the way, these are the public's airwaves being used for political propaganda at the beginning of the election season. We not only have the right to protest such a misuse of our property, we have an obligation to do so.

[DaDeacon]

75. It was going to fail!

Untill we on teh Left gave it the fight they wanted!

[gratuitous]

Nonsense

And like I said above, if you have a pet project you'd rather be addressing, then by all means address it. For some of us who watched the Swift Boat fiasco go down, along with a host of other lies that seeped out unchallenged, we're done playing that game. ABC has gotten a great deal of very unwanted publicity, and the public is asserting its right to its own airwaves.

[tkmorris]

78. When are you gonna get the message?

Thank you for your advice. Your opinion has been heard, and REJECTED. Rightly so, IMNSHO.

Rewriting history and creating "reality" out of whole cloth has been these clown's modus operandi all along. It's about time we put an end to it.

[DaDeacon]

99. Keep getting beat election after election.

Beacuse you have yet to learn and adapt to your enemy!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. I agree.

This is the same stuff they say on TV news every single night.

[DaDeacon]

42. BIG KISS to the other big picture viewer!

[BootinUp]

35. Why even vote, is that your next post? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Yuo really do not understand the need of the right

to REWRITE history

As to watching it, I ain't planning to, are you?

[nini]

38. ever heard of FASCISM?

.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

43. Read "RAPE OF THE MIND" then get back to me.

This type of psychological manipulation is propaganda plain and simple.

I agree they had planned to use us to provide them with an added promotional edge. That part is indisputable in my mind, but if we (the Democratic Party) actually do more than just gnash our teeth and wave our fist at them, then we've accomplished more than we have in the past. That will go a long way to breathing life into a fighting spirit for the up coming election.

If President Clinton pursues his legal rights and kicks them where it hurts (their pocketsbooks) then that is a step in the direction of making them think about the very real repercussions for their actions the next time. And again, it goes along way into breathing life into a fighting spirit for the Dems in the up coming election.

On a whole, I don't think they've taken into account how angry the Americans who've seen through their mental manipulation tricks really are.

Just a damn TV show? No, it's a call to arms. Enough of the lying!

[DaDeacon]

48. Yes, Joost A. M. Meerloo, have you heard of rope a dope?

Rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style used most famously by Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle against George Foreman. The idea is for the boxer to lie on the ropes of a boxing ring, conserve energy and allow the opponent to strike him repeatedly in hopes of making him tire and open up weaknesses to exploit for an eventual counter-attack. Hmmm sounds like what the GOP has done to us for 12 years!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

53. So according to you we should sit on our hands and let them

have their way with us?

How aware of what is actually taking place are you? Did you know that this was also planned to be used as a learning tool in our public schools?

Do you know that thanks to our hard work it's no longer going to be pushed on our students as fact?

Do you realize that while you sit there on your hands conserving your energy OUR future generations are being fed lies and told it was history?

As I said read, "Rape of the Mind" and you get a very good idea of how the GOP are using propaganda to pollute and distort the minds of our future.

Edit: typo

[DaDeacon]

77. That's what they are doing !

We fight them tooth and nail on every issue we think will wake up the american people. Swiftboat, then Downing Street, NSA Spying. I mean it blow after blow and thejust take and then the second anything happens that they can spin at up BOOM down on the mat we go. They remake the reality we try to expose through lies. We have to stop fighting every lie and start to framing the discussion in the Country back to the truth.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

79. Perhaps you should read my post again

Your reply made no sense-what-so-ever in context to what I wrote.

Here, I'll paste it below for you...

So according to you we should sit on our hands and let them have their way with us?

How aware of what is actually taking place are you? Did you know that this was also planned to be used as a learning tool in our public schools?

Do you know that thanks to our hard work it's no longer going to be pushed on our students as fact?

Do you realize that while you sit there on your hands conserving your energy OUR future generations are being fed lies and told it was history?

As I said read, "Rape of the Mind" and you get a very good idea of how the GOP are using propaganda to pollute and distort the minds of our future.


Now, we've successfully spanked Scholastic for their use of the "Path to 9/11 docudrama and Study Guide." In having done so there will now be a generation of young people who are NOT taught lies as history.

I don't care how anyone tries to re-frame this one, it's a win, a big one.

[DaDeacon]

84. You or stuck on your own arrgument and not what i said!

I Said that " THE GOP IS PLAYING ROPE A DOPE WITH US" I then gave you the deffination of ROPE-A-DOPE :

Rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style used most famously by Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle against George Foreman. The idea is for the boxer to lie on the ropes of a boxing ring, conserve energy and allow the opponent to strike him repeatedly in hopes of making him tire and open up weaknesses to exploit for an eventual counter-attack.

So you say : " So according to you we should sit on our hands and let them have their way with us?"

No what I said was "WE" are punding at them and they just set there taking it letting us sound like a bunch of frantic far left babies. We need to move the fight back to the middle of the ring it's where we can win.

No maore talking points just frank honest assessment. The american people aren't dumb give a man dirty water and he will drink it if he thirst, however give the man clean and dirty water he will take only clean water for the same thirst. I say Give people the truth and keep giing it to them and shows like this will just get low ratings and the networks will stop tring to feed it to us. However if we "just" fight the show's right leaning views we look like spoil sports not thruth bringers .

[Lone_Star_Dem]

90. You're ignoring what was accomplished

I hate to say this, you're so blinded by your opinion that you refuse to see the good that's already come from this.

FACT: If we did as you suggest they would have continued to supply these bogus study guides to our schools.

I'm sorry but, your argument does not hold water when it's presented with the facts.

[DaDeacon]

93. Yeah no study guides now Right wing teachers get to say what was what!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

100. It was public schools in general, but if you had done research you'd know

You know, the ones that a paid for by our tax dollars? But hey, I've read through the rest of your thread now and whatever it takes to get you through the day. :shrug:

:hi:

[Bake]

82. That's just it: we haven't been fighting

We (i.e., Kerry) didn't fight them on the Swift Liars. We were "rope-a-doping," I guess. We didn't fight them on the Iraq War resolution; we were too busy bending over. We didn't fight them on Alito; we were "keeping our powder dry." We didn't fight them on the Chief Justice; more dry powder, I suppose. Hell, we didn't even fight them on the 2000 Florida recount.

Now, only just now, that we have found our voice and the American people are starting to listen, you want us to rope-a-dope some more? That speaks volumes. VOLUMES.

As for me, not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

It's time to fight. Every issue. Every fight. Never surrender.

Bake

[DaDeacon]

94. No ya nut!

All I said was THE GOP HAS HAD "US" ROPE A DOPED. Have you wondered why it's taken so long to make ANYTHING stick to them?

[johnaries]

45. I guess that's why you have a TV character in your sig line. nt

[DaDeacon]

49. Any more red herrings ?

[johnaries]

51. From my own personal experience,

TV has a huge impact on people. Many people won't believe something unless they've seen it on TV, and many of them will believe anything they see on TV.

[DaDeacon]

54. If I see a Red sky on TV ..

do I belive the sky I see ouside my door to be blule ? yes because I know the truth. Our job isn't to fight the lie but propagate the truth!

[LSK]

67. stupid analogy

Any average joe can go look outside and see the sky is blue.

How many average joes are going to reseach the lies in this movie???

[Name removed]

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[LSK]

80. your right, im one big fucking idiot

I guess when most of my co-workers spend more time reading People magazine and watching American Idol than reading news it must be some RARE OCCURANCE.

But maybe its just me and I live in a bubble.

:eyes:

[DaDeacon]

92. It's ok it's not to late to change!

Listening to NPR and reading NYT dosen't make your view more valid nor your vote count more! This is an issue are party has to over come. We have to be able to get right down and talk to the people not at them. And yes you could do more with a good ad during the American Idol finals than in 40 million dollor lie!

[LostinVA]

108. Personal attacks are against DU rules

Telling people they're stupid, etc.

And, you are totally transparent, know that? You have to learn to be way more subtle.

(Also, DU does have a spellchecker feature)

[Name removed]

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[johnaries]

130. But propagating the truth means fighting the lies.

How can you propagate the truth without fighting the lies? It is the same thing.

Let's face it, this is not a perfect world. To deny that Broadcast TV influences people's opinions is to deny reality. Google Marshall McLuhan or "The medium is the massage". He was considered an eccentric at the time, but he has been proven the greatest visionary of our times.

"It's just a TV show", indeed! "It's just a editorial". "It's just a Poll". "It's just a new law". Watch the movie Cabaret. That's what they all said in Germany before ....

[Raffi Ella]

47. Nah,It's MUCH bigger than that.

When they try to indoctrinate a generation of children with lies about the horrific events of 9/11 they've gone too far.

I won't waste my time giving all the other reasons since other members have already done that so well :)

[DaDeacon]

52. This is why we are in political trouble now!

So busy fighting the little lie! No one is making the point to look beyond 9/11 the event itself is a lie (the buildings did fall but not from beinghit ny planes). The islamic world hates us but not becouse of freedom or difference in religion but or need to impose or cultural influence over those who do not wish to convert. This issue to me is getting mad at someone for talking about your mother, all the while they are shooting a gun at you.

[bdamomma]

66. they are going to show this program to kids in school just

another way for this regime, to brainwash young innocent minds, this is just sick. Imagine asking a child after they saw that who was involved with the 9/11 incident? and their response was Clinton, how would that make you feel, this is wrong.

[DaDeacon]

73. I feel real bad, but...

Johnny and Sussie have been told buy mommy and daddy that Billy Clinton was a bad man because he got a BJ from a girl that wasn't his wife! So yes I feel bad but those kids don't know or really care for the truth.

[DaDeacon]

74. BOOM! Truth

-Ratings Breakdown:
The debut of NFL Football on NBC roared out of the starting gate, thwarting the series-premieres of Fox comedies ‘Til Death and Happy Hour. The Miami/Pittsburgh match-up scored a 13.4/22 in the overnights from 8:45-11:45 p.m., with (including the pre-game kick-off) an estimated 16.96 million viewers and a 6.7/19 among adults 18-49 in primetime ( NUMBER ONE)

That crappy movie would have been killed by the SNF and then been all but forgoten about on monday! But now it's a 300 pound gorilla that ABC will show under a huge spotlight. so everyone pat yourselfs on the back for out thinking the right and fight a damn movie we look as smart as they did fighting Moore's fill a few years back!

[DURHAM D]

109. DaDeacon - you are talking to yourself. n/t

[yorkiemommie1]

119. a generation...and so on, and so on, and so on....

(remember that commercial that said ' and so on and so on ' showing small shots of the product increasing exponentially?)

not only that, but teachers can use this as a basis for quizzes and term papers and other class projects, thus further reinforcing the lies.

how many fundy teachers are going to disclose the lies in this thing?

how many of our overburdened teachers will be able to pick out all the lies themselves?


many of these kids will go on to become teachers themselves and thus further perpetuate the lies, albeit unwittingly.

and so on, and so on, and so on.....

[zbdent]

55. When a show portrays itself as fact, not fiction, then it's an issue

(see "The Reagans" ...)

"The Path to 9/11" said it was "based on the 9/11 commission report" - that's saying "it's fact".

Now they're backpedaling, saying "based on the 9/11 commission report, and other sources and interviews" ... wonder if they interviewed any Dem players?

[EnviroBat]

85. Especially when being used...

as a propaganda tool to mislead children of all things! I never believed I would see such crap in my lifetime, but this is really getting ridiculous!

[zanne]

58. Alot of Americans don't know what the word "fiction" means.

They literally don't know the definition of "fiction". A television event that describes itself as "non-fiction" doesn't compute with people who were dumb enough to vote for Bush in the first place.

[LSK]

59. please tell me what was Bush's best issue in the 2004 elections?

That would be that the Democrats cannot keep us safe. I personally know several people who voted for Bush based on this lie.

Why are you not upset with this BRAINWASH piece being shown on a MAJOR NETWORK? You obviously have NO CLUE how powerful TV is. Try thinking like the average joe for once. They dont follow politics. They dont have time for the news. But most of them sit down for the Sunday night movie on ABC or CBS or NBC. Its not too hard to imagine. And these people TRUST THE BOX. To them, if ABC is putting a movie like this out there, it has to be true. There are MILLIONS of these people. They work hard all week, are busy with kids and only have a few hours in the evening to chill out and veg in front of the box. Now along comes this "movie" that might be semi-entertaining and also "educational". These people have no reason not to get BRAINWASHED by this movie.

But its just a TV show.

:eyes:

[DaDeacon]

68. You got me wrong ,

The Avg Joe loves the fact that Payton vs. Elli is this week that don't give a sh*t about a 9/11 movie. When the leaves broke was good TV but hardly a blockbuster! My point was that this movie would have been under the radar had we hot made a big deal of it!

[LSK]

69. I can probably name 20 people who dont know who Payton is

The world does not revolve around sports.

[DaDeacon]

71. No it doesn't , but damn it not everyone belives in TV movies either.

I said teh Avg joe and I think you and i will see the numbers come monday morning and know who was right! Let's just look at last night.

-Ratings Breakdown:
The debut of NFL Football on NBC roared out of the starting gate, thwarting the series-premieres of Fox comedies ‘Til Death and Happy Hour. The Miami/Pittsburgh match-up scored a 13.4/22 in the overnights from 8:45-11:45 p.m., with (including the pre-game kick-off) an estimated 16.96 million viewers and a 6.7/19 among adults 18-49 in primetime ( NUMBER ONE)

So again do you think some silly miniseries was going to pull better numbers? Now it might as all the media in on like files on shit and every Dem wil now watch to see how the slay our golden boy! Fools played it just like they wanted us too.

[LostinVA]

113. So, you hang around here for TWO YEARS

Then start posting this total poo?

Oi.

[DaDeacon]

115. Yawn ...NEXT

[LostinVA]

118. *yawn* You're not fooling anyone

And you're an annoying, insulting little poo-head... IGNORE.

Have fun feeling like a big important boy, trying to make widdle points with the DUers...

Classes over at Liberty already today? Gotta talk to Jerry about that...

[DaDeacon]

120. Again , NEXT ~!

[LostinVA]

111. I don't know what the heck he's talking about

Not even the men in my family watch football or whatever.

[LostinVA]

61. Mein Kampf was just a stupid book!

The people who would have read this book as gospel more than likely will be wearing sheets Sunday and Monday night. We have made a moon out of a baseball!

[Taverner]

70. It's not just the show - its the educational materials

Being sent to schools, and how this will be passed off as "History" in many school districts.

[DaDeacon]

72. that is wrong! No argument.

[LostinVA]

114. That IS the argument

Good lord -- take some college history classes, or read a good book about the HJ. Good grief, even the movie "Swing Kids" would educate you.

[treestar]

81. Part of me thinks you are right

Whoever thinks Clinton is to blame already thinks that and this TV show won't be what convinces them. That's an issue people are unlikely to change their minds about, TV show or no TV show.

What is more annoying is that ABC is just trying to have this influence - and airing it without ads supports that.

[DaDeacon]

86. Yes , thank you for looking beyond talking points!

[CANDO]

83. For the rest of our lives, these lies will be taken as fact.

It is damn important to fight this show.

[DaDeacon]

88. People who think these are facts will not change.

[Bake]

87. You're not going to convince many DUers.

We're mad as hell and we're NOT taking it anymore. We're fighting on this issue and every other lie that the Pukes try to throw out there. If you don't want to do so, then don't. Play rope-a-dope. The Dems have "made nice" for too long. We weren't keeping our powder dry. We weren't doing the rope-a-dope. We were bending over for it. No more. The Pukes never seem to weary of tossing out lie after lie after lie. We can never grow weary fighting them.

Oh, by the way: I think you're wrong about "the damn TV show" ...

Bake

[DaDeacon]

97. THE GOP IS PLAYING ROPE A DOPE WIITH US !

Read the full post!

[Bake]

104. The Pukes are NOT playing rope-a-dope

They're the ones pounding away on us. Lie after lie after lie. We're the ones who have been cowering on the ropes (if ONLY we fought like Ali, inside and outside the ring!). Contrary to your assertion, we have not been fighting. We have been bending over, playing fair, making nice, etc., while the Pukes jab jab jab at us. And occasionally hit us with a thundering "right." You say we need to save it for a more important fight. I disagree. That's simply the same old "keep your powder dry" argument we've endured time after time (Roberts, Alito, etc. ad infinitum). I say, and most DUers say, it is time to fight the lies. This is as good a place as any to start.

If we let the "little lies" go unchallenged, the sheep become so conditioned to them that nobody listens if/when we challenge the Big Lie. Not that PT9/11 is a "little lie." It's huge.

Bake

[LostinVA]

116. Stop with the rope-a-dope

I know what it means, and that's not what's happening. What's happening is that some people in the Dem leadership are standing up for themselves and trying to save OUR asses. Well, I guess not yours, since this is all peachy with you.

"Rope-a-dope," forsooth.

[DaDeacon]

123. OK, Look it !

Either you have a short memory or haven't got a political bone in your body. We have lost the American people for the past 5 election cycles let me engage you with a simple question. "Why do you think that is?"

[BlueStorm]

89. I agree with most posters on here

P 2 9/11 is not just a "damn TV show" it is pure propaganda. Propaganda that has been told over and over again. We are fighting it because we are sick of the lies that the RW media has told us and if you think that most people won't swallow it or watch something else, think again. I know people that actually believe that Clinton didn't do anything about terrorism or 9/11. I know people that believe in the Saddam/Iraq/9/11 link. The average pool of citizens in this country are gullible and the media knows it. The RW propaganda machine knows it. Tell them that 2+2=5 and they believe it, the quote it as if it is gospel. The media has given Muslims a black mark, many here in the US and most of the Western world still believe and do believe that people in the ME are bakcward savages and terrorists. It is not true but yet many believe it. I know because I have taken the Islamic path and I have experienced that kind of thinking. My mom thinks that way which is why I have gotten out of Islam. People are lazy... they don't want to check facts, there is a whole world of facts out there re: the Internet, but they are too lazy to research and thus take things of face value.

Advertising is a good example: if the masses are told that Soda Pop A is better than Soda pop B, many are inclined to believe it. If they are told to buy the latest and greatest MP3 Player, most will do it.

So propaganda via the media is powerful, that is how the world's "greatest" tyrants were able to influence the masses.

So no, it's not just a "damn TV show"

Blue

[Imagevision]

95. Disney wanted to feed this crap to our kids as the truth?!!

It's just a damn TV show! - yeah! right!!

[longship]

96. No. I will not stop it. In fact, it's time to accelerate it.

It's a shameful exploitation of *our* airwaves and it has to be exposed for what it is--nothing short of political exploitation that goes well beyond the line. It's nothing short of propaganda.

I will never give up. Never, ever, ever.
This *has* to be stopped.

[Garbo 2004]

101. And taught in schools as "history." It's not intended merely as a TV show.

The tie in with Scholastic and dissemination to schools with accompanying teaching materials, the giving away for free of DVD's and online downloads. It's not just a bad TV movie among so many others. It's not about selling airtime, since they have no advertisers for the film. It's invented history intended to propagate what they claim is the "official" version of 9/11. They wouldn't have been claiming it was based on the 9/11 Commission to give it legitimacy as "history" and go to such lengths to make it available for free and disseminate it as a teaching module to schools if it was merely intended as "just" a TV show.

[KingFlorez]

103. Their passing lies off as truth, it's a little more serious than that

It's completely unacceptable to allow them to get away with this.

[DaDeacon]

106. Anyone remember the post election view of our party.

A bunch of spoilsports who just can't take a loss. I know in my heart that election was stolen. The proof is everywhere! The Avg joe, he just thinks we lost. You see this movie is a lie, I know you know it we all know it but by fighting it to the level we have we've made it much more than it was. To the avg Joe it looks like "the truth so real the Democrats tried to have it Banned". For what a TV movie that would have gotten killed by bad timming on ABCs part and forgoten had it just be left alone but this is our "Bush must go issue of the week" so I understand we had to fight it. As a party and a group we haven't learned that this is a losing way to fight. Now I'm not saying we stop fighting but we needed to learn better ways and soon are 06' and 08' will look like the last 15min of "The Wild Bunch."

[EstimatedProphet]

107. No, it's a vehicle for slander.

and, I might add, we've done so well in the past trying to ignore the slander that Repugs keep throwing around.

[BlueStorm]

127. That's what the neo-cons and Republicans

like to do. Slander. They should be called the Slanderers or the Slander Party.

Blue

[Rex]

112. Nonsense, it is not just a TV show, nice to see it gets you all riled up.

The M$M gave ABC a huge amount of publicity, but yeah yell at us here at DU. Like we compare to the M$M for exposure. You obviously have no idea what is at stake here. :eyes:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

121. Filmed at the TOP day (Sunday) of the week at the TOP 2 hours

n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

122. You know it's a real supercrap OP with 122 responses & 0 Recommends.

[warrens]

124. I've got a docudrama I think ABC would love

It solves 911, the Lindbergh kidnapping, the Judge Crater case, and the anthrax attack all in just six must-see hours. Hint: George Bush did them all.

[Feron]

125. I agree

There's no such thing as bad publicity. Boycotts and the like against Disney worked so well for the homophobes.:sarcasm:

If it's one thing I hate with a firey passion of 10,000 suns, it's censorship. Stopping this movie will only make people more interested in it thinking that some "truth" is being suppressed. Since this sounds like a Lifetime 9/11 movie, I doubt it would have garnered decent ratings on its own.

I can't comment on the movie because I haven't seen it. What some blogger, some critic, some pundit have to say about it is irrelevant to me. I can watch it and judge for myself if it is rubbish or not thank you very much. I don't need a "well-meaning" group to decide for me what is appropriate to view.

Sadly I'm seeing the same book-burning mentality here that I would expect from Free Republic. And yes, I think the stopping of the Reagan movie from airing was a bad decision. If people don't like it, then there is that invention called the remote control.

Whenever someone's legal speech is snuffed, everyone loses. What if it were a movie exposing Bush administration corruption?? The pendulum swings both ways or be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say on the subject.

[LostinVA]

129. Not censorship at all

And, it's a bit disturbing you can't see the difference.

[EstimatedProphet]

132. Oh, bull$hit!

It's silly to call this a book-burning mentality. Book burning is about supressing an idea. this is about making sure the facts are correct, and holding those who are distorting them accountable.

[Eric J in MN]

126. ABC sent 100,000 letters to teachers telling them to ask their students

...to watch the docudrama.

This is big.

I don't want millions of kids to think Clinton did a terrible job on terror and Bush did a wonderful job.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

128. Whew! Thank God For You! Now I Can Tell The Millions Of People Outraged

by this and all of the Dem leadership to cancel the resistance. I'll send out the email to all of them right now to tell them "Stop! It's all ok! Nothin to worry about! DaDeacon said so! It's all over!".

Whew. Thank God you stepped in and saved us before we actually made a difference. :toast:

[Mr_Spock]

131. You have missed the boat on this one.

No more swiftboating of Democrats.

[Singular73]

133. I agree with the OP

This thing will blow over in a few weeks.

What are people gonna do, cite a docudrama for historical accuracies?

lol

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

134. You should have taken that left turn at Albuquerque

It appears you've ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time as usual, Bugs- you may feel more comfortable among those at "that other site", which I won't bother posting a link to. There's a good chance you're more than passing familiar with it anyway.