The cause of 9-11-2001

[mdmc]

The cause of 9-11-2001 is very simple - we let our desire for comfort and profit get in the way of our security.

Our foreign policy has been one of selfish interests. The sole desire to advance American interests over all other worldwide interests was a cause of 9-11.

Our desire for comfort made us weak. We want it all, quickly and simply. Security was not the priority. Comfort was the priority. Comfort and profit.

When 19 non-citizens purchased first class airline tickets with cash at the last minute, airlines cared more about profit then security. Instead of securing their flights, they asked no questions, took the cash, and looked away.

Lastly, a lack of imagination caused 9-11. Intelligence officers :eyes: could not imagine terrorists using airplanes to attack buildings :eyes: . Since no one could think of such an attack, there was no way to defend against it.

9-11-2001 occurred because our enemies were determined to harm us, and we preferred ignorance, comfort and profit over dealing with a difficult enemy. It is a Brave New World, and we were cowards.

When will America stop looking for the easy answer? Peace takes courage. Safety requires peace. Lets have the courage to change the world! PEACE!

[omega minimo]

1. Who's "we"?

[mdmc]

3. "We" = western civilization

modern man, those who would have been pissed off if the USA had security like Israel in its ports and airports.

We are the lazy people that protect our self interests at the expense of all others.

9-11 would have been stopped if we had true security and if we enforced all of our laws. "We" are the people that cared more for comfort and profit.

For the record, I am part of the 'we'.

[DireStrike]

2. Thank you. It's pretty simple and obvious.

k/r

[omega minimo]

5. What is?

[DireStrike]

6. The cause.

American society basically stopped caring about anything besides getting rich. Now it comes back to bite all of us in the ass. It's a shame as so many of us simply had no idea what was going on or were even working to buck the trend.

[mdmc]

8. we also became soft, complacent

it would be unfair for us to be attacked... we don't deserve it... It would never happen to us...

[omega minimo]

10. It's a shame so many with no idea of wnat's going on

don't wanna listen to those who do

"American society basically stopped caring about anything besides getting rich. Now it comes back to bite all of us in the ass."

Not all of "us"

[mdmc]

11. who is not included?

who is not part of "us"?

[omega minimo]

16. Good question

Hi mdmc :hi:

As you say above, complacency is/was the problem. There are many on DU who post as if this started with Bushco. Thom Hartmann does a good job of educating about how Reagan began the war on the middle class, turning back decades of social progress-- meanwhile civil liberties were chipped away bit by bit. Yet people see the past 2+ decades as "everyone getting rich" and "comfortable." Far from it. And what about those civil liberties?

In #3. you say:
" "We" = western civilization modern man, those who would have been pissed off if the USA had security like Israel in its ports and airports."

There's a Benjamin Franklin quote on this tradeoff, right? :think:

"We are the lazy people that protect our self interests at the expense of all others. 9-11 would have been stopped if we had true security and if we enforced all of our laws. "We" are the people that cared more for comfort and profit. For the record, I am part of the 'we'."

I really appreciate you raising this question and personalizing it. It's important and mostly avoided. What responsibility do we have as Americans/Democrats for current circumstances? (Responsibility posts/threads die an ignomious death on DU :evilgrin: )

The reason I asked who "we" is: When folks post about how gullible or clueless or asleep the sheeple are, they always seem to think everyone else is the sucker. I'm curious about that. And how that contributes to underestimating the public and contributing to (gasp!) elitist attitudes.

It's rare for someone to say "we" and acknowledge some contribution (benign neglect?)

[mdmc]

20. thanks for the post

for the record, I think that a liberal, compassionate foreign policy is the best way to secure America.

[DireStrike]

22. So you're saying you weren't affected?

You seem in one post to say that acknowledging responsibility is good, and here deny any involvement. That's confusing.

Obviously not everyone was contributing, and certainly some were contributing much more than others.

Are you trying to make a point, or did you just want to feel superior?

[bamacrat]

4. And * needed a reason to go after "al-qeida"

the into IRAQ .

[mdmc]

7. short sighted neo-con foreign policy

for true

[kimmerspixelated]

9. Yes, but

I still think it was an inside job, so that makes the dynamics of the argument a little different.

[mdmc]

12. not much different

corporations need to profit Bush MIHOP to help corporations profit.

[LoZoccolo]

13. I think it's that terrorists decided to attack us. n/t

[mdmc]

14. out of the blue?

unless 9-11 was mihop or lihop.

But you are on spot - 9-11 happened because terrorists decided to attack us.:eyes:

Just cause they "decide" to attack does not mean that it is/was unstoppable.

They decided to attack us, we decided that things other then our security were more important then fighting third world terrorists.

[pretzel4gore]

15. bush needed 911, to help with the coup d'etat

it's so amazingly obvious, and maybe that's why noone seems to see it. the simple fact that the figures of the vote tallies showed algore won the 2k election by more then 1/2 million votes is too intractable (the NORC results which proved gore won the election were to be published in sept/01 - 911 naturally forced a postponement, until nov10th, the same morning as flight 587 CONVEEENIENTLY blew up after taking off; the NORC results were thus pushed to back page, while pigmedia assured everyone that 'btw, bush won floriduh nyuk nyuk!' while also saying the crash of 587 wasn't a terror incident which wouldn't look good for bush, would it).... the pigmedia are not brave men (!) ever notice? they would aid/abet a coup d'etat, but they simply could not cover up the numbers; that would be criminal fraud, and the top pigmedia managers would have to go along with it, which they WOULDN'T....911 made things clearer for the pigmedia. it said to them 'if bush is allowed to fail, then he will drag you bastards down with him' and ....you guess the rest.
(on 'Jeopardy' the other night, there was a question, to paraphrase "who said 'what's the difference between 58800000 and 58300000?'" the answer was algore!....but algore WON by that number, not lost! the bastards are teasing yall....
case closed

[Nevernose]

17. Osama bin Laden and 19 guys w/ boxcutters was the reason

Or at least the only reason that matters.

Yes, there are pleny of things we could AND STILL CAN do differently, or be, but in the end, you;re blaming the victim.

She wore slutty clothes...she was asking for it.
"19 non-citizens purchased first class airline tickets with cash at the last minute" ... we were asking for it.

And gosh, in an agnecy of 100,000 employees, who could have ever guessed that the few who were expecting a hijack/suicide bombing weren't listened to enough?

Al Qaeda attacked us, and you make it sound like we, the victim, are at fault. Don't blame the victim.

Also, perhaps peace IS the "easy" answer? Perhaps it would have been cheaper and quicker to just "be nice" to people around the world, and not encourage the psychos?And, of course, that assumes that everyone wants to "play nice" with us...

I understand where you're coming from, honestly, but I thing you're assuming that two victims make one "right."

[omega minimo]

18. mdmc is saying we weren't paying attention to what matters

Were you?

[mdmc]

19. close omega minimo ...

We paid attention to what mattered to us. Security against well planned religious terrorism was not of the list of importance prior to 9-11.

A proactive, peaceful foreign policy, intelligence agencies, and diplomacy make us stronger also. These are the things that work in the war on terror.

[mdmc]

21. well, I am assigning blame.

The violent criminals that pulled off the act on 9-11 are on the top of the list.
as are those who encouraged them, and trained and recruited them.
But so are those who made it easy for the terrorists to be recruited into a suicide mission.
So are those who put comfort and profit in front of our security.

America did not deserve 9-11. We got it anyway.

[lonestarnot]

24. And he had the complacency and perhaps assistance of the

psycho that occuppies the W.H.

[WinkyDink]

23. "19 non-citizens purchased first class airline tickets"

And they would be...?
The ones NOT NAMED on the manifests?
The ones STILL LIVING in the ME?