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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:24 PM
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Suskind Challenges Bush "Facts" on Zubaydah: "We tortured an insane man."
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 05:27 PM by BurtWorm
This is a major revelation in the One Percent Doctrine. The media allowed itself to go along with yet more lies. Even today's NY Times piece pointing out errors in Bush's rant on Thursday missed a key point of Suskind's reporting: Zubaydah is mentally ill.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/07/suskind/print.html


"We tortured an insane man"

The author of "The One Percent Doctrine," Ron Suskind, talks about what the U.S. really got out of Abu Zubaydah and why waterboarding doesn't make America safer.

By Alex Koppelman

Sep. 07, 2006 | Harsh interrogation works -- that's the argument President Bush made on Wednesday even as he announced that al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah and 13 other alleged al-Qaida operatives will be transferred to Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, to face trial. Acknowledging for the first time the existence of secret CIA prisons where the 14 men had been held, Bush claimed that the extreme interrogation techniques used on Zubaydah, whom he called "a senior terrorist leader," and others in the "war on terror," were justified. Bush said that Zubaydah, under the pressure of what Bush referred to as the CIA's "alternative set of procedures," had given up information that proved vital to the United States.

But Pulitzer Prize-winning author Ron Suskind paints a more complicated picture of Zubaydah. In one of the most hotly discussed sections of his book "The One-Percent Doctrine," Suskind reveals that at least one top FBI analyst considered Zubaydah an "insane, certifiable, split personality" and that he was mainly responsible only for logistics like travel arrangements. According to Suskind's reporting, the interrogation methods used on Zubaydah -- waterboarding and sleep deprivation, among others -- only yielded information about plots that did not exist.

Salon spoke with Suskind about how the Bush administration has tended to oversell Zubaydah's significance and why sophisticated "soft" interrogation techniques have been the most effective.

What did you think of the president's speech?

Well, I don't think that the president contradicted anything that's in the book. I say in the book that we did get some things of value from Abu Zubaydah. We found out that "Muktar" -- the brain, that's what it means in Arabic -- was Khalid Sheik Mohammed. That was valuable for a short period of time for us. We were then able to go through the SIGINT , the electronic dispatches over the years, and say, "OK, that's who 'Muktar' is." Zubaydah, of course, is showing up on signal intelligence as Zubaydah.

Also, we essentially said, "You've got to give us a body, somebody we can go get," and he gave us Padilla. Padilla turned out to not be nearly as valuable as advertised at the start, though, and I think that's been shown in the ensuing years. So that's what we got from Zubaydah.

At the same time, I think we oversold value -- the administration did -- to the American public. That's indisputable. As well, what folks inside the CIA and FBI were realizing, even as the president and others inside the administration were emphasizing the profound malevolence and value strategically to the capture of Zubaydah, is that Zubaydah is psychologically imbalanced, he has multiple personalities. And he was not involved in various events that we thought he was involved in. During various bombings in the late '90s, he was not where we thought he would be. That's shown in the diaries, where he goes through long lists of quotidian, nonsensical details about various people and what they're doing, folks that he's moving around, getting plane tickets for and serving tea to, all in the voices of three different characters; page after page of his diary, filled, including on dates where, I'm trying to think, it was either the Khobar Towers or the Cole, where we thought he was involved in the bombing and he clearly wasn't.

So that's the real story of Zubaydah, more complicated than the administration would like, and maybe more complicated than the president at this point feels comfortable saying in an election season. It's one of the many instances where you could shine a light through this prism and see an awful lot about some of the dilemmas of the war on terror.

In the case of Zubaydah, when it comes to some of the harsh interrogation tactics he was put through, what occurred then was that he started to talk. He said, as people will, anything to make the pain stop. And we essentially followed every word and various uniformed public servants of the United States went running all over the country to various places that Zubaydah said were targets, and were not.

Ultimately, we tortured an insane man and ran screaming at every word he uttered.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:29 PM
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1. When jr was bragging about this guy the other day, it was obvious
he was lying about it. It is well known that those guys supplied nothing.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:34 PM
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2. Nothing but low level dreamers and guys who thought they could
take down bridges with blow torches.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:35 PM
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3. Like I said, nothing.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:47 PM
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4. that seems evil...
i think our culture is insane, so it's a measure of the true morality, but it is fun to watch, re the hypocrisy of supposed 'christians' and law'n'order types....
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 09:18 PM
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5. kick
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