The 20 people who gang raped this 11 year old girl got a surprise today

[Herman Munster]

I hope they all die a painful death from AIDS for what they did to her.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GIRL_ASSAULTED?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-08-19-29-18

Wis. Alderman Says Girl, 11, Has HIV

MILWAUKEE (AP) -- An 11-year-old girl who allegedly had sex with as many as 20 people as a 16-year-old girl watched and coached her has had HIV since birth, an alderman who met with the family said Friday. Alderman Mike McGee Jr. told The Associated Press that he met with the girl Thursday and described her as distraught.

"You can't expect her to be doing well," he said Friday. McGee said the girl feels like she was misled by the 16-year-old.

"She now is trying to sort out who to trust and who not to," he said. Her mother died of AIDS and the girl lives with family members, he said.

[Blaze Diem]

1. Swift Justice, Indeed!!

What more is there to say.

[porphyrian]

2. So, how many will they infect before they realize it?

There is no good news here.

[AtomicKitten]

3. Oooooooooooooo, I LUV surprises!!!

Couldn't happen to a nicer group of rapists.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Roaul Dahl couldn't have written this better.

[opihimoimoi]

5. I hope all of them die of rotten dicks....I hope their dicks rot and fall

off

[Bunny]

6. Oh. My. Dear. Lord

Jesus Christ on a crutch. What fucking hogs.

[JackBeck]

7. Sickness is a disgusting thing to wish upon anyone.

Shame on you.

My wish is for our justice system to be swift and accurate. Let a prison sentence be the outcome of their crimes.

If they have committed this heinous act, send them to jail. But to hope someone contracts HIV is just mind-boggling.

On Edit: HIV is not considered a punishment, no matter if someone thinks you deserve to contract the virus or not.

[Missy Vixen]

9. After they had unprotected sex with an 11-year-old girl?

>But to hope someone contracts HIV is just mind-boggling.<

Eleven years old is not old enough to consent. This was a rape, plain and simple. Those participating in the rape were having unprotected sex with an eleven year old. I think HIV infection is the least of their worries at this point.

I hope the sixteen year old goes to jail, too.

Julie

[JackBeck]

14. Since the article states this all "allegedly" happened, I'll

reserve my judgment until after they are tried and convicted.

I do not disagree that if this did happen, eleven years old is not old enough to consent. That's not my point. My point is to wish that someone would contract HIV is gross, no matter what the situation.

Where I come from, HIV is considered payment for homosexual sins rendered.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. If it only happened "allegedly"

then the risk of these people contracting HIV is only an "alleged" risk anyway. The only way that they will genuinely be at risk is if the rape was "actual" and not just "alleged". If that's the case, then I heartily wish them to contract it.

[JackBeck]

17. I guess that's the difference between you and me.

I could never wish that anyone would contract any disease, no matter how horrible a person. My hope is that if this did happen, then our justice system penalize them accordingly.

And when it comes to HIV, no one deserves to contract HIV.

[Lucy - Claire]

48. Personally I would like to see

them castrated and never allowed into daylight. Personally I think HIV lets them die too soon, rather than live out their natural lives in jail.

[RebelOne]

44. All news articles and reporters have to use "allegedly"

until the accused is proved guilty without a doubt.

[Breeze54]

51. The girl has ID'd at least six of them and they have condom evidence.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=494052

11-year-old victim had suffered earlier sex assault

Girl attacked 5 years ago by relative living in father's home

By MARY ZAHN

Posted: Sept. 9, 2006

Sad and scared.

Those were the words an 11-year-old girl used five years ago in describing how she felt about
being sexually assaulted by a relative. One can only imagine her feelings now, after she was
sexually victimized by up to 19 men on Labor Day in a north side house. Court records portray
a motherless girl who longed for a mostly absent father and who tried to do the right thing
even when it hurt.

Her mother died of AIDS, leaving her 18-month-old daughter infected with HIV, records state.

The "secrecy and shame" issues associated with such a diagnosis are confusing and complicated for a child,
prosecutors wrote in 2002, in an attempt to explain the girl's feelings at that time.

snip-->

Meanwhile, health officials also got involved because of the possible widespread transmission of HIV.
"This assault was a horrific event, and we have horrific concerns," said Bevan Baker,
Milwaukee's health commissioner.
"However, a sexual assault of this nature is exceptionally unlikely to cause an outbreak in Milwaukee."
Baker said that the Health Department routinely recommends HIV testing for anyone having
sexual contact with an HIV-positive individual and for those who have engaged in other
high-risk activities.
The agency is working with the district attorney's office regarding HIV testing of the assailants,
he said.
Testing for other sexually transmitted diseases, such as chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis
is also likely, Baker said. Both gonorrhea and chlamydia rates are problematic in Milwaukee.
The city had the ninth-highest rate of chlamydia and 13th for gonorrhea in the nation in 2003,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

In 2002, Milwaukee had the sixth-highest chlamydia rate in the nation. <--snip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The collection of evidence and details are at the link but I didn't want to post that here.

[Roxy66]

39. Screw justice in this case...child rapists should die a slow painful death

[JackBeck]

41. Last time I checked, we're barely living in a democratic society.

Which is supposed to uphold a Constitution that gives us an equal and fair trial.

I abhor child rapists. But because we have laws and government, we have to rely on the judicial system.

Here's yet another article posted on DU that contains an account that is disgusting, yet many people here are already convicting the accused. What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? No matter how hideous the statements in this article are, why do people here always convict and execute before the accused are put before a trail of their peers?

[Nutmegger]

52. I gave up typing comments such as yours.

No flame from me.

[Renew Deal]

8. Ohhhhh shit!

:wow:

[dorktv]

10. wow

[pretzel4gore]

11. poor little thing

11 years old and knowing all that....

[brokensymmetry]

12. Instant karma?

Looks like.

[JackBeck]

15. You can be exposed to HIV many times in your life

without transmission occurring.

[Jed Dilligan]

13. No, this is good for them.

Well, minus shitty prison healthcare that won't manage their cases and will probably let them die 80s-style, wasting AIDS deaths.

They're going in to prison with the public, including prisoners widely aware that they are infected. This will reduce their otherwise high probability of being raped themselves.

I don't know, I would probably take a death from largely untreated AIDS over a life of sexual slavery to gang members.

But that's just me, and I'm not a rapist...

[helderheid]

18. This is horrible. Makes me sick. Beyond that, the article does a great dis

disservice by stating how low the chances are of contracting HIV.

[JackBeck]

19. How is the article doing a "disservice" as far as transmission

is concerned?

What they cite is very accurate.

For instance, a person with HIV is most infectious right after transmission occurs, when the virus is trying to establish itself, and before the body has seroconverted, or produced antibodies to fight the virus. Even though a person has seroconverted, and there is less of the virus present, you can still transmit HIV, but the likelihood isn't as high as when first infected. Overall, a person is most infectious within the first 12 weeks, possibly the first six months after infection.

Also, the "bottom", or the one being inserted, is more likely to get HIV than the "top", or the one doing the inserting.

[helderheid]

20. It talks about how little the chance is. My concern is some young person

reads this and decides it's not worth being careful. Just my humble opinion.

[JackBeck]

22. The article talks about this specific situation and the possibility

of transmission occurring within the parameters of this specific situation. This article does an amazing job of laying out the facts, whereas what most of the media does these days is project the meme that if you have unprotected sex you get AIDS (which does more of a disservice because you don't "get AIDS" from someone; you contract HIV).

This article gives the facts as straight-forward and as accurate as they come.

If you're worried about the children, be more pissed at the government, which still sends educational material out that says you can get HIV from sweat and tears. That, not this article, is a disservice not only to the children, but to all of us.

[helderheid]

23. point taken. Thanks.

[KitSileya]

47. If she was raped by 20 men,

you have to consider the chances of transmission is higher than in a single unprotected intercourse. She must have been bleeding - from the first rape onwards if she had an intact hymen prior to the rape.

I hope she gets the help she needs, and I hope all those men are convicted to the fullest extent of the law, and that 16-year old as well.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

21. Poor kid

After all that she's had to go through in her life, now this

These people are just sick, sick, sick. I'm not entirely comfortable with wishing illness on anyone but, whatever happens, I hope they pay dearly for this throughout the rest of their life and they get the punishment and consequences that they deserve.

[uppityperson]

24. Poor girl. "alleged perps", hope they have many days of fear

fear that they were exposed to AIDs virus. I do not hope any catch it ( and this is not very likely anyway) but do hope they have many days and nights of fear that they might.

[JackBeck]

25. I feel anger and pain if this girl had to endure such a situation.

But no one is ever "exposed to AIDs". And even if you are exposed to HIV, it doesn't mean that transmission has occurred.

HIV, FYI, is a virus that may lead to an AIDS diagnosis. I've come across many posts at DU where people refer to HIV and AIDS as the same thing. They are not.

[uppityperson]

26. You are right, I miswrote. Corrected.

HIV and AIDs are not the same. HIV is the virus they were exposed to. Her mother died of AIDs (disease). I wrote too fast, thanks for the correction.

[JackBeck]

27. It's all good.

There's a lot of misinformation about HIV/AIDS, in general, whether it's here or anywhere else. Sometimes, I want to start a GD thread about it, but it would probably be moved to another forum. I guess I'll just wait for the right time.

[uppityperson]

28. Thanks again, have done HIV testing /counseling and am embarrassed

that I wrote that. Too fast writing and thinking. It would be good to have a general HIV/AIDS info posting in GD, perhaps after the 9/11 madness calms down. Put a disclaimer that asking it to not be moved but more of a general information thing, perhaps it might stay if phrased right as general discussion should include general things. Wait 'til 9/11 passes though since that is the topic of the week.

[JackBeck]

29. I agree.

My disclosure, I'm an HIV/AIDS/HepC Health Educator, so if I come across as a nit-picker, I apologize. Maybe World AIDS Day would be a good time to feel out what people know/think/misunderstand about HIV/AIDS. And, yes...now is NOT the right time.

:pals:

[uppityperson]

30. 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11...

[JackBeck]

31. 'Tis the season.

But then again, we bitch about the repetition every day.

And each time the neo-cons take one step more than we can take which is why the exploitation drives us crazy!

[omega minimo]

32. ...and yer milking this for attention because ........................

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..........................where'd he go?!

[Selatius]

33. I'm not saying the 20 people who allegedly raped the girl deserve it, but.

I will say we live in a world of causality. As such, there are consequences for each and every decision we make. Whether they are good or bad depends on a lot of things. One of them is judgment. If they contracted the HIV virus that causes AIDs because they decided to rape this girl, then that's a consequence they have to live with.

Prison time for rape is another consequence.

[JackBeck]

35. And a woman who wears a short skirt and a halter top

deserves to be raped on a pinball machine in the back of a bar? Isn't the whole point of "The Accused" that she "deserved it" since she dressed rather provocatively?

:eyes:

Whatever.

Do people who have multiple sex partners who use condoms deserve to contract HIV, since condoms are not 100% effective in preventing the transmission of HIV?

And why do people at DU refer to AIDS as "AIDs". Am I missing something?

[uppityperson]

36. It can be written either way, have seen it both ways

For instance, wikipedia, that fine source of always accurate information (:sarcasm:) shows
Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS or Aids) .

[JackBeck]

37. I was wondering why around here I see it written as AIDs.

Just trying to catch up if I'm missing something. Seen AIDs many times, so I'm trying to be on the same page.

[uppityperson]

40. I think to put the description seperate from "syndrome", either is ok.

I wonder how many people remember why it is called AIDs/AIDS, or know what "HTLV II" was. Go France!

[JackBeck]

42. Here, here.

American's love to take all the credit instead of sharing it. The history can get murky, as well as the terminology.

[Selatius]

43. Whoa, I think you totally misunderstood my statements.

I specifically said, "I'm not saying the 20 people who allegedly raped the girl deserve it..."

I did not assign a value judgment to the situation. To see causality in action, one need only study the blowback caused by corrupt US foreign policy in the world. 9/11 was a consequence of that. Does that mean I am saying it was okay to slaughter 3,000 civilians on that day in retaliation because the US government supports undemocratic regimes and bombs their peoples? No. A person can understand the context in which something happens without condoning what happened or assigning a value judgment.

Your comment, though, is rather offensive because I haven't seen--as far as I know--any evidence whatsoever that what women wear has an affect on the number of rapes.

Do people who have multiple sex partners who use condoms deserve to contract HIV, since condoms are not 100% effective in preventing the transmission of HIV?

If I said, "A condom can break," does that mean I just said people who have sex deserve to get AIDS or the HIV virus? Of course not. That statement is devoid of any value judgment. It is an observation, not a judgment.

[uppityperson]

49. Checking back in and I agree with you Selatius

There are consequences. No, no one "deserves" AIDS, or being raped because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time but there are consequences to everything. As far as "she dressed provacatively", bullshit. This is an excuse someone looking to rape may give, but they were looking to rape.

[SoyCat]

34. I can't believe that they revealed that a minor victim is HIV positive.

Women who are raped aren't even allowed that kind of information about their rapists. They have to get tested, wait 6 months, and get retested. How very kind of them to let the "alleged" rapists know about the girl's status. Assholes.

[Roxy66]

38. They will all burn in Hell....

[NMMNG]

45. Poetic justice n/t

[symbolman]

46. I was watching some Justic show once, and I've known this anyway

where a Child Molestor was tossed into the Jail and the look on his face as he was taken down by actual adult Rapists, Killers, Theives, and other scum was terrifying. NO ONE likes a baby raper, even people who murder people.

It was like demons were descending on him, to rip him to shreds, he slid down the holding cell window, dogpile on the rabbit time, and the cops did nothing. Looked like a death sentence to me.

Poor kid, hope she recovers, this is horrifying.

Seems to be an awful lot of "Instant Karma" going around lately, like the Universe is trying to correct itself. Maybe it will shrug off Bush and Co :)

[Wilber_Stool]

50. All of these posts and nobody took the time

to look up the story. The point of the HIV announcement was because the 20 men were not going to be brought up on charges. They were going to walk.

Oops, I thought it was this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=148275