PSSSSSSSSSST... pass it on.

[helderheid]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

[Bleacher Creature]

1. I really hate Republicans

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Beautiful. Danke sehr.

I hope someone posts this link in FReeperville, maybe with a heading like "I can prove it was all Klintoon's fault!"

[helderheid]

3. go for it! :)

[Jackpine Radical]

9. Not me. I don't go there.

[helderheid]

14. Alsjeblieft!

[KelleyKramer]

4. Yep!

Interesting stuff on that link.. who knew???

[helderheid]

5. when I say pass it on? I mean it - send it to all your mailing lists.

[silverweb]

6. Thank you.

There's no better rebuttal than the truth.

[nicknameless]

7. Great find! Thanks for posting it.

:thumbsup:

[helderheid]

10. Someone else (sorry - don't know who!) posted it with google bomb

instructions!

[tjwash]

8. **sniff** wipes tear from eye.

Man that brings back some memories.

I used to be a regular on the CNN message boards back when they had them, and got into some knock down-drag outs on that fucking thing. It was pretty much 10 cons to 1 lib on that damn thing, and you could count on some meltdowns every night there. They used to make GD look like the lounge by comparison.

These damn kids, with their fancy IPODS, and their their shiny little razors. *HAH* Those were the good old days days where it was just you and a couple of buddies named "ALI-ALI" "Hampton Vaughn", and "Virginia Dare" going against 50 conservatives all night long in awesome flame-fests. Now--GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!

[Hugin]

31. Likewise...

Except, I lurked the MSNBC.com forums.

I've got the carpal tunnel syndrome to prove it.

[serryjw]

11. MORE really good stuff

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/08/18_blumenthal.html

[yojon]

12. good hunting, helderheid

thanks!

[helderheid]

13. see post 10 :)

[helderheid]

15. goin to bed

[havocmom]

16. Thank you. This will come in VERY handy next week

Hang them with their own partisan obstructionism. And send the bill to Frist.

[Maven]

17. kick.

[Pachamama]

18. But, but, but....I thought the Republicans are the only ones who can keep

us safe and know how to stop those terrorists! Those Dems, especially Clinton, didn't do anything to keep us safe!!!

:eyes:

[helderheid]

33. Hatch was exposed in my paper (in Utah) as being a flip flopper on the

wiretapping - Clinton BAD. Bush GOOD!

[me b zola]

19. k&r

:kick:

[jillan]

20. What an excellent find!

1. I bookmarked it.

2. I'm sending a copy of this to limpo. He has had the biggest mouth in blaming Clinton for 9/11 all along.

On edit - I also sent the link to Olbermann, and my favorite local guy on Phx AAR that does a weekend show.

This is great:yourock:

[alteredstate]

28. KIcked

and nominated.

[mom cat]

21. Nice catch!

[leftchick]

22. GOP Senator: terrorism is "a phony issue"!!!!

<snip>

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.


Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, doubted that the Senate would rush to action before they recess this weekend. The Senate needs to study all the options, he said, and trying to get it done in the next three days would be tough.

One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical markers in explosives "a phony issue."

[Jed Dilligan]

23. They opposed it because they thought

he was talking about their boy McVeigh, not some ay-rabs

[magellan]

24. Don't forget the wiretap authority Clinton requested in that legislation

...which the Repugs put the kabosh on:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/15/anti.terrorism/index.html

snip...

The Republicans also dropped the additional wire-tap authority the Clinton administration wanted. U.S. Attorney general Janet Reno had asked for "multi-point" tapping of suspected terrorists, who may be using advanced technology to outpace authorities.

Rep. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said technology is giving criminals an advantage.

snip...

[malaise]

25. Great find

please send to KO

[DesertRat]

26. Another quote

The Clinton administration's anti-terrorism law efforts evoked the following December 1996 comment by conservative James Bovard, policy advisor for the Future of Freedom Foundation.

The President is "continuing to agitate for new powers to suppress terrorists" and "demanding more powers for wiretaps, more powers to prevent people from using encryption for their e-mail, more powers to classify normal crimes as terrorist offenses, and so forth."
"As usual," the President's "solution to every problem is more power for himself and his cronies" and he has "scorned opponents of his terrorist proposals, claiming that they want to 'turn America into a safe house for terrorists.'"

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Clinton_administration_anti-terrorism_law

[helderheid]

30. Such hypocrites

[DesertRat]

27. More details on how Republicans sabotaged Clinton's anti-terror efforts

http://www.mikehersh.com/Republicans_sabotaged_Clintons_Anti-Terror_Efforts.shtml

[helderheid]

29. mornin kick

[helderheid]

32. They plan on airing it which makes it so important we show this to

EVERYONE we can

[Poiuyt]

34. Great find! Kick

[helderheid]

35. Kick

[helderheid]

36. Kick

[happydreams]

37. The Repug reaction to Clinton here is understandable....

Hell, if Clinton's anti-terrorism efforts had been supported, particularly the Hart-Rudman Act, 9/11 would have never happened and, by way of parenthesis, the Repugs reason for existence.

[renate]

38. WOW! talk about a MUST READ!

Sorry about the caps, but WOW!

Great find, but how on earth could this not have been trotted out by the Dems years ago?

I am just gobsmacked that this hasn't been circulating on the Internets for years. Better late than never, so again--GREAT FIND!!

:applause:
:yourock:

[TwentyFive]

39. Bravo!! Proof that a Republican congress is Bin Ladin's best friend.

We should round up Trent, Hatch and the other republican leaders and 'detain' them in gitmo. They are the real terrorists.

[seasat]

40. Also there is the real effort by Clinton to get Bin Laden

(LINK)

In addition to a secret "finding" to authorize covert action, which has been reported before, Clinton signed three highly classified Memoranda of Notification expanding the available tools. In succession, the president authorized killing instead of capturing bin Laden, then added several of al Qaeda's senior lieutenants, and finally approved the shooting down of private civilian aircraft on which they flew.

• The Clinton administration ordered the Navy to maintain two Los Angeles-class attack submarines on permanent station in the nearest available waters, enabling the U.S. military to place Tomahawk cruise missiles on any target in Afghanistan within about six hours of receiving the order.

• Three times after Aug. 20, 1998, when Clinton ordered the only missile strike of his presidency against bin Laden's organization, the CIA came close enough to pinpointing bin Laden that Clinton authorized final preparations to launch. In each case, doubts about the intelligence aborted the mission.

• The CIA's directorate of operations recruited, trained, paid or equipped surrogate forces in Pakistan, Uzbekistan and among tribal militias inside Afghanistan, with the common purpose of capturing or killing bin Laden. The Pakistani channel, disclosed previously in The Washington Post, and its Uzbek counterpart, which has not been reported before, never bore fruit. Inside Afghanistan, tribal allies twice reported to their CIA handlers that they fought skirmishes with bin Laden's forces, but they inflicted no verified damage.

Why didn't they include all this in the movie instead of that fabricated scene?

[Ksec]

41. Excellent find

I will send this to everyone I know. This is the type of thing Dems need to do more of. Dig up stuff that proves our point and shows which party is really the strong one. Again excellent find Helder.

[AntiFascist]

42. more pisssssssst here....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2082945&mesg_id=2089393

"Clinton White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke wanted an arrest warrant issued for Bout. Gayle Smith, Clinton’s National Security Council Africa bureau chief, along with CIA and British MI-6 agents, kept a wary eye on Bout’s activities in Africa’s conflicts...."

[Cha]

43. Well, whadda know!

The last real President on July 30, 1996 "urges Congress to pass new anti-terrorism laws".

"The president emphasized coming to terms on specific areas of disagreement would help move the legislation along. The president stressed it's important to get the legislation out before the weekend's recess, especially following the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park and the crash of TWA Flight 800.

"The most important thing right now is that they get the best, strongest bill they can out -- that they give us as much help as they can," he said."


Thank you so much, helderheid! :patriot: :patriot:

[Emit]

44. The President's Radio Address May 27th, 1995

The President's Radio Address
May 27th, 1995


Good morning. It has now been over 5 weeks since the tragic bombing in Oklahoma City. In the days immediately after that tragedy, congressional leaders pledged to have the legislation I proposed to crack down on terrorism on my desk by Memorial Day. The Senate is now considering the antiterrorism bill. I'm glad they're working on it. At the same time, I disagree with the position of some Senators from both parties that three crucial weapons in the fight against terrorism should be stripped from the bill.

The first concerns my proposal to expand the wiretap capabilities of Federal investigators. Terrorists move around. They don't want to be caught. They go from State to State, from motel to motel, from pay phone to pay phone. We need the power to move our taps and surveillance as fast as the terrorist moves his base of operations. But those who want to weaken my antiterrorism bill want law enforcement to go back to court for a new wiretap order each and every time a terrorist moves, unless we can specifically show that he's trying to evade our surveillance.

We should protect citizens' privacy rights. But we shouldn't force law enforcement to lose valuable time by making them get a court to agree that a terrorist is trying to knowingly evade us. Have you ever heard of a terrorist who wasn't trying to evade the police? I don't care whether a terrorist is trying to knowingly evade the police. I care that he or she may be trying to plan another Oklahoma City bombing. And I want the police to stop those people cold.

The restrictive view taken by some people in Congress would handicap our ability to track terrorists down, follow them when they move, and prevent their attacks on innocent people.

The second disagreement I have is about my request that we should be able to use the full resources of the military to combat terrorists who are contemplating the use of biological or chemical weapons. In general, the military should not be involved in domestic law enforcement in any way. That's why it's against the law.

But there is a limited exception to this authority: granting the authority to cooperate with law enforcement to the military where nuclear weapons are involved. There's a good reason for this. The military has the unique technical expertise, sophisticated equipment, and highly specialized personnel to fight a nuclear threat. Well, the same is true for biological and chemical weapons, which seem even more likely to be used in terrorist attacks in the future, as we saw recently in the terrible incident in the Japanese subway.

Cont'd:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=51421

[AspenRose]

49. Wonder what the Republican response to that radio address was.....

hmmmm

[Poiuyt]

45. Kick again

:kick:

[question everything]

46. Also the 9/11 Commission testimony

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20349-2004Mar24?language=printer

[lonestarnot]

47. bushitler LOVES terraists!

[helderheid]

48. BOOM!