Proof 9/11 Investigation was a whitewash: Kean Paid for ABC 9/11 Farce

[berni_mccoy]

There should be no doubt among Americans that the 9/11 investigation was a biased whitewash of the facts. We've all known it here at DU since the investigation was started. But the fact that the CHAIR of the 9/11 commission was PAID by ABC to make this PROPAGANDA FILM to REWRITE HISTORY and blame the Clinton Administration is PRIMA FACIA evidence that the 9/11 commission was NOTHING BUT A WHITEWASH FOR THE BUSH WHITEHOUSE. Can we have a real investigation now?

[spanone]

1. Don't hold your breath. We STILL don't know what happened to JFK.

[nebenaube]

10. maybe not...

But it becomes clearer each and everyday.

[Hubert Flottz]

2. I Agree...the 9/11 commission was a farce!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2090053&mesg_id=2090467

[EFerrari]

3. Bingo. If there was any doubt, this whoredom should clear it right up.

[NVMojo]

4. huge connection here, is the nation listening?

[BootinUp]

5. There are many who disagree with your premise

Me and and a whole shitload of Americans. Democrats too.

Whether the 9/11 commission investigated every little possible problem in our government is not the issue. On the main question of who the attackers were how it was carried out, the major breakdowns in intelligence, it is the defacto document on these matters. Your efforts to bring it down do not help us.

[berni_mccoy]

6. Wow, I mean, Wow...

"every little possible problem in our government"? How about GAPING HOLES in the investigation. How about impropriety of conflicts of interest of SEVERAL members of the commission? How about a CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION with subpoena power as it should have been?

You know why the Bush admin hasn't implemented the commission's recommendations...? BECAUSE THEY NEVER TOOK THEM SERIOUSLY.

I think your "whole shitload" of Americans amounts to the 30-odd% who still support Bush.

[BootinUp]

7. I'll accept your challenge

Please list Gaping holes for me to refute.

[berni_mccoy]

8. Just for starters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report#Criticism

# In a July of 2006 interview, 9/11 family member Bill Doyle, father of Joey Doyle, described his experience with the Commission: "The 9/11 commission is probably the worst representation of the 9/11 families, or for that matter the American public, because it is a sham, it really is. We had tons of questions that we asked them to ask, they wouldn't do it, and the continuing coverup is just beyond belief."
# Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, said "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations. We know the government lied about Iraqi WMD, but we believe the government told the truth about 9/11."
# The Report makes no mention of the collapses of the buildings surrounding the twin towers.
# In a 2004 article entitled, 'Whitewash as Public Service: How The 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation,' Harpers Magazine writer Benjamin DeMott stated, "The plain, sad reality — I report this following four full days studying the work — is that The 9/11 Commission Report, despite the vast quantity of labor behind it, is a cheat and a fraud. It stands as a series of evasive maneuvers that infantilize the audience, transform candor into iniquity, and conceal realities that demand immediate inspection and confrontation . . . At the core of all these failures lies a deep wariness of earnest, well-informed public debate."
# A Pakistani weekly paper wrote in March of 2006 that the Pakistan foreign office spent "tens of thousands of dollars" lobbying to get anti-Pakistan findings omitted from the final version of the Commission Report. The Pakistani newspaper also wrote, "Insiders . . . say the US Congress does not know about the fact that money was paid to the inquiry commission to silence it."
# In a 2004 interview, Bernard Gwertzman, of the Council on Foreign Relations, stated of the Report, "Again, one of the great problems in the commission report is that it looked at exactly one issue— counterterrorism— and none of the others. But (U.S.) intelligence users consist of more than 1 million people, many of them in uniform, and when you talk about budgeting and programming authority, you have to consider that. . . Many of these conclusions are probably very valuable. But this is a 13-chapter report. Eleven chapters are a masterful description of what happened and what went wrong that led to the 9/11 attack. There is no chapter that explains what people did after 9/11. There is no chapter that qualifies that this is only one of many problems in intelligence and intelligence reform."
# Theologian and 9/11 conspiracy theorist David Ray Griffin wrote a criticial book "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions".
# The Report did not include the testimony of FAA counter-terrorism expert Bogdan Dzakovic, who stated to the Commission, "We breached security up to 90 percent of the time. The FAA suppressed these warnings. Instead, we were ordered not to write up our reports and not to retest airports where we found particularly egregious vulnerabilities, to see if the problems had been fixed. Finally, the agency started providing advance notification of when we would be conducting our 'undercover' tests and what we would be 'checking.' . . . What happened on 9/11 was not a failure in the system. Our airports are not safer now than before 9/11. The main difference between then and now is that life is now more miserable for passengers." He also described later, in an interview, the same situation which occurred for virtually all government officials following the 9/11 attacks: "Many of the FAA bureaucrats that actively thwarted improvements in security prior to 9/11 have been promoted by FAA or the Transportation Security Administration."
# The Report contains 28 blanked-out pages that the Village Voice speculated on the contents of in a Dec 2005 article.
# The Report did not include key testimony by secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta which describes the situation in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with vice president Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon on 9/11/01: "There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And--" Yet despite such a detailed description of the events that day, the only mention of Mineta in the Commission Report is on p. 326, that Mineta was part of a group that met with Bush at the end of September 11 to review the events of the day.

And why was the commission NOT a Congressional one? Did you even know there was a Congressional investigation that was essentially told by the Administration that they were not going to comply. The repubs in Congress rolled over.

And going deeper: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kean#Criticism

Kean also had several business relations that were viewed as potentially conflicting. He is a board member of Hess Corporation, a petroleum company with business in the Middle East. He had purported business relations with Khalid bin Mahfouz, a multi-billionaire accused of supporting al-Qaeda. Other Commission members were similarly criticized for potential business and political conflicts.

Once the Commission began its work, some critics argued that Kean, the Commission members, and the Commission staff almost all had various business and political conflicts that made it difficult to lay blame on their political allies. One prominent example was the Commission's Staff Director, Philip D. Zelikow, who had served on George W. Bush's Presidential transition team and had worked closely with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, a key Commission witness, in the George H. W. Bush administration.

The Head of the Commission should never have been APPOINTED BY BUSH, Kean should have recused himself for conflicts of interest as should several other members.

Refute away.

[BootinUp]

9. Jebus. What a bunch of hooey. Either make it clear what you want me to

refute in a simple one or two sentence bullet point or forget it.

[Junkdrawer]

13. So I guess you concede the point. Too many holes to even begin...

to prop up.

[BootinUp]

22. See my reply since you insisted. n/t

[Junkdrawer]

27. My response, using the same quality arguments as your post.

So.

[BootinUp]

28. Your side presented the gaps. If I said "so", I disagree there is a gap

of any significance obviously.

[berni_mccoy]

14. Well that's it then... you can't live up to your own challenge

IT IS a bullet point list. I'm sorry the facts require more than one or two simple sentences.

Proves that your original statement is just talk.

[BootinUp]

21. I see nothing, but since you force me to reply.

1. In a July of 2006 interview, 9/11 family member Bill Doyle, father of Joey Doyle, described his experience with the Commission: "The 9/11 commission is probably the worst representation of the 9/11 families, or for that matter the American public, because it is a sham, it really is. We had tons of questions that we asked them to ask, they wouldn't do it, and the continuing coverup is just beyond belief."

My answer: Can you or Joey or someone elaborate so that there is something to refute and not just an attack without any supporting evidence?


2. Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, said "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations. We know the government lied about Iraqi WMD, but we believe the government told the truth about 9/11."

My answer: See my answer to number 1.


3. The Report makes no mention of the collapses of the buildings surrounding the twin towers.

My answer: Are you suggesting they didn't collapse? What are you suggesting, and before you do please realize that I will laugh my ass off if you suggest explosives were planted before the planes struck the towers.


4.In a 2004 article entitled, 'Whitewash as Public Service: How The 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation,' Harpers Magazine writer Benjamin DeMott stated, "The plain, sad reality — I report this following four full days studying the work — is that The 9/11 Commission Report, despite the vast quantity of labor behind it, is a cheat and a fraud. It stands as a series of evasive maneuvers that infantilize the audience, transform candor into iniquity, and conceal realities that demand immediate inspection and confrontation . . . At the core of all these failures lies a deep wariness of earnest, well-informed public debate."

My answer: See my answer to number 1.

5. A Pakistani weekly paper wrote in March of 2006 that the Pakistan foreign office spent "tens of thousands of dollars" lobbying to get anti-Pakistan findings omitted from the final version of the Commission Report. The Pakistani newspaper also wrote, "Insiders . . . say the US Congress does not know about the fact that money was paid to the inquiry commission to silence it."

My answer: So?


6. In a 2004 interview, Bernard Gwertzman, of the Council on Foreign Relations, stated of the Report, "Again, one of the great problems in the commission report is that it looked at exactly one issue— counterterrorism— and none of the others. But (U.S.) intelligence users consist of more than 1 million people, many of them in uniform, and when you talk about budgeting and programming authority, you have to consider that. . . Many of these conclusions are probably very valuable. But this is a 13-chapter report. Eleven chapters are a masterful description of what happened and what went wrong that led to the 9/11 attack. There is no chapter that explains what people did after 9/11. There is no chapter that qualifies that this is only one of many problems in intelligence and intelligence reform."

My answer: So?

7. Theologian and 9/11 conspiracy theorist David Ray Griffin wrote a criticial book "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions".

My answer: So?

8. The Report did not include the testimony of FAA counter-terrorism expert Bogdan Dzakovic, who stated to the Commission, "We breached security up to 90 percent of the time. The FAA suppressed these warnings. Instead, we were ordered not to write up our reports and not to retest airports where we found particularly egregious vulnerabilities, to see if the problems had been fixed. Finally, the agency started providing advance notification of when we would be conducting our 'undercover' tests and what we would be 'checking.' . . . What happened on 9/11 was not a failure in the system. Our airports are not safer now than before 9/11. The main difference between then and now is that life is now more miserable for passengers." He also described later, in an interview, the same situation which occurred for virtually all government officials following the 9/11 attacks: "Many of the FAA bureaucrats that actively thwarted improvements in security prior to 9/11 have been promoted by FAA or the Transportation Security Administration."

My answer: So this guy is saying that airport security sucks and still sucks. What part of the 9/11 report is inaccurate if we accept that position? (Hell that position is probably close to true although I think they have made some real improvements in airport security).

9. The Report contains 28 blanked-out pages that the Village Voice speculated on the contents of in a Dec 2005 article.

My answer: I speculate that they 28 pages were not going to implicate an inside job. You have a different opinion? You think they would have discredited the entire report?

10. The Report did not include key testimony by secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta which describes the situation in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with vice president Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon on 9/11/01: "There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And--" Yet despite such a detailed description of the events that day, the only mention of Mineta in the Commission Report is on p. 326, that Mineta was part of a group that met with Bush at the end of September 11 to review the events of the day.

My answer: I think you need to review the NORAD TAPES and the 9/11 report which makes it clear that flight 77 was lost and presumed crashed until scant minutes before impact. Mineta was not at NORAD or anywhere with a radar installation I presume? Check my little spreadsheet which is a nice reference tool. http://jimsdigital.homeip.net/911hijacks Where is your source for Mineta's statement? I need a reputable source please.

[berni_mccoy]

30. Saying "So?" is not a rebuttal

It's a refusal to recognize the relevance of the point. And for so many of your counterpoints to be "So?" shows that you do not have an understannding of these points.

Your other responses are full of presumption and you barely even read some of them. For example, your response to the point on the report's failure to investigate the fall of SURROUNDING BUILDINGs. Your presumption was that the point referred to the demolition of the twin towers, which is wrong. The point is that Building 7 sustained no damage from any aircraft or falling debris, yet it imploded. Why was there no investigation of this part of the trade center? Why did the commission ignore it? Seems like a gaping hole to me.

Obviously you have your mind made up that the commission did a great job and nothing is going to change that for you... good luck with that. I won't waste my time on you anymore.

[BootinUp]

32. Oh so WTC 7 collapsing means its a conspiracy?

LOL. Your right I missed the word surrounding not that it makes a difference.

The 2 main towers collapsing was like half a nuclear bomb being released in energy. Besides the fire in it that was allowed to burn the whol day. WHat is the mystery? The fire and police officials knew the mf'er was going down.

As to the points I responded "So?" I ask you to explain why I should care. Or why you think they are huge gaps in the report that discredit the whole report.

[berni_mccoy]

34. I never said it was a conspiracy... but they didn't even investigate it

No building in history has collapsed from fire until the WTC.

You asked for gaps, you got them, you didn't refute them.

[BootinUp]

36. You are a building collapse expert?

As a non expert it didn't surprise me. The experts and the firemen and policemen that day seem ok with it too. They aren't claiming explosives for sure.

[Junkdrawer]

35. The way it fell...at free fall speeds...yes.

WTC1&2 were classic tall, thin skyscrapers. If it weren't for the fact that the 9/11 commission ignored the 47 support columns in each, I could almost see their implosive collapses. Almost if one could show how a 10 minute jet fuel fire could weaken the floor trusses which then causes a collapse 30-40 minutes later.

WTC7 was different. It was a very wide 22 story office building with support columns in an asymmetric pattern. Yet it collapsed in a perfect implosion at nearly free fall speeds. It also housed CIA and FBI offices. And the 9/11 commission didn't so much as give it a peep in their report.

[BootinUp]

37. Why did the firemen and policemen back away

they considered it a lost cause and let it burn all day. What do you think was hidden in there anyways? We know who attacked us. They claimed credit for it for chrise sakes.

[Junkdrawer]

51. Let's see: Two skyscrapers just collapsed in front of their eyes...

They lost large numbers of firemen and all the people were out of the building (WTC7).

I don't think they were about to go for heroics to put out the fire.

BTW: For the first few years after 9/11, I would have thought that controlled demolition was beyond the pale. But looking carefully at both sides of the argument, I now think all three were controlled demolitions. Dismissive posts are not going to change my mind.

[BootinUp]

52. Stick to your story

Hell there are still people who don't think Oswald acted alone. You and your other alternative 9/11 theorists could easily keep to your story for decades whether there is a shred of evidence for it or not, no skin off my nose.

[Karenina]

54. IIRC, WTC7 was a storage site

for REAMS of ENRON documents...

[BootinUp]

55. hmmmm

And what are we to make of that if true?

[Peace Patriot]

11. Our national security is a joke. Our emergency preparedness is a joke.

Our elections are a joke. Our Constitution is a joke. Saddam's WMD's under the Oval Office rug were a joke. The war profiteering corporate news monopolies are a joke. The ten trillion dollar deficit they've run up is a joke on the future. And you think the 9/11 commission wasn't a joke?

Really, Jim4Wes, what a putz you are! They're laughing all the way to the bank. And you're paying for it.

[BootinUp]

12. Waiting for a real response to my challenge. n/t

[Jax]

19. You got it

and YOU weren't up to it. Big surprise.

[BootinUp]

23. Post 21 for you as well then.

[Jax]

24. *yawn*

again, big surprise....

[BootinUp]

26. I admit its a waste of time. Why did you force me to do it?

[Usrename]

20. 20 redacted pages on the Saudi connection?

A big hole there, if you just clear it up for me a little bit.

[BootinUp]

25. That discredits the entire report then?

I guess we will not be able to reach agreement on this issue. THe report is a huge document many more than 20 pages of course.

[Usrename]

29. Thanks for filling in that hole..

:sarcasm:

[BootinUp]

31. 3 pages out of one hundred redacted, if I accept your number

of redacted pages. BFD man.

[cosmicdot]

48. 18-1/2 minute gap in the Nixon tapes

of crucial evidence 'redacted' (by Rosemary Woods stretched leg, of course) from est. 3700 hours ...

one can only imagine what was contained in that gap, and its effect on history

[BootinUp]

49. What a flawed comparison.

Maybe someone else will help you with the comparison I am tired of arguing with people who believe things there is no evidence for just out of fear.

[file83]

17. I'm in complete agreement with you berni_mccoy!!!

This other guy doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

[truedelphi]

18. If we don't bring it down we are screwed

About nine eleven here are two key facts

One) There is a huge probabliility that it was an inside job

Two) If it was not indeed an inside job, THEN IT HAD TO BE THE
BIGGEST Stand Down in the history of the modern world

Anyone who spent even an hour of listening to the C-Span broadcasts
of the Commission had to hold their hands on their neck to prevent
their heads from spinning 360 degrees
Among the statements that were made to the Commission - that the reason
that Langley Air Force Base (130 miles from the Capital) was used when
jets were ordered to scramble was that NEADS (The northeast section
of NORAD) did not have the phone number for Andrews AFB - that only the
secret service had that number... Andrews is eleven miles from the White House
(and TV Viewer - please forget that Payne Stewart- the golfer's -
private plane was chased by scrambled jets eleven minutes after his
plane deviated from its course while jets onnine eleven were scrambled
like twenty minutes later)
Another hugely interesting statement - that the reason jets failed
to scramble in a timely manner on nine eleven was that our foreign
policy kept jets pointed towards Europe and Russia
(although again, for whatever reason, on the day the golfer's
plane was errant, the jets were for whatever reason pointed toward
the interior of the country)

My head is still spinning and I watched that broadcast years ago

[BootinUp]

42. Please see my hijack timeline reference that makes your facts a joke.

http://jimsdigital.homeip.net:8080/911hijacks/

I put this together from the Vanity Fair article about the NORAD TAPES and the 911 commission report. The facts are that the military never had a chance to shoot down the planes, and secondly there mission was to only follow the planes which they never were close to.

Think of it this way. If you want to crash a big plane what makes you think the government can stop you?

Flight 77 was presumed crashed by its assigned air traffic controller. LOOK at my spreadsheet or go directly to the vanity fair article or to the 911 commission report part 1.

[truedelphi]

63. I'm not saying that the planes coul dhave been shot down

But for the planes to not even be scrambled is suspect

BTW your link did not get me anywhere - is the link broken or is it
that you mistyped the URL?

[truedelphi]

64. The timeline I will offer Kudos for

Is the one that is portrayed in the documentary "9-11 Press for truth"

[ProgressiveEconomist]

38. Put down that Kool-Aid before you get a tummy-ache! You've had

WAAAY too much already. The antidote for you may be, "The September 10th President", at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x234032 .

Or maybe you need an allegory. Dubya and company were like new tenants who moved into a house and removed many of the security bars, locks, and alarms their predecessors left behind for them. Seven and a half months later, they were hit. Then they hired goons to surveil the whole neighborhood, to kidnap people who "looked wrong", and to assassinate many of the kidnappees' kin overseas. The local police mounted a special investigation of the matter, but no one was ever prosecuted, and no one ever spoke of the irresponsible new-tenant security lapses that led to the whole fiasco. Later, the new tenants libeled the old tenants in the local newspapers, blaming them for all their problems.

Some of the facts that make this allegory ring true are at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2089943 .

[BootinUp]

43. I prefer Richard Clarkes book "Against All Enemies" to CT Kool Aid

What is your point? what do you believe? I don't have any reason to go do research on this.

[tpsbmam]

40. Re: There are many who disagree with your premise

Read this and see if you still feel the same way. There are many analyses of the Commission and their report out there, but I think this is one of the best:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242

BTW, did anyone hear Kristen Breitweiser on Larry King last night? Can't STAND LK, but I saw her segment advertised so I watched. I never fail to be impressed with what an articulate voice of reason she is. She said, in a very brief version, what the above report says.

I suggest that you're more alone than you think you are among those who've read both the report and all of the problems/failures of the commission.

[newyawker99]

44. Hi tpsbmam !!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[BootinUp]

45. I did watch Kristen B last night. And yes she did have faults

with the 9/11 commission report. My interpretation of her concerns is that

1) not enough has been done to make us safer.

2) No one has been held accountable for the failures.


Neither of those discredits the facts of how we were attacked.

[mhatrw]

58. 3) 95% of the victims' families questions remain unanswered.

4) We need a new, truly independent investigation.

[BootinUp]

60. I looked at the list of questions

someone posted it earlier today in another thread. Look I understand they want someone to burn. Of course the Bush administration and the republican congress went into protection mode. What do you expect? But its no reason to run around creating fantasies about explosive devices or hidden black boxes. The sequence of events on the actual day of the attack are well documented and perfectly explainable.

[mhatrw]

61. No they aren't and no they aren't.

http://100777.com/node/963

[oblivious]

62. Wrong. The commission was not allowed to verify who the attackers were.

Or get into the specific events of 911.

It was allowed to examine only intel failures.

[galloglas]

15. Wrong Target??

Perhaps I have followed the wrong trail of thought here. Correct me if so, but I had understood it was the SON on Tom Kean who was connected with this.

If so, it should still have a major effect, as Tom Kean, Jr. is running for office from New Jersey.

[berni_mccoy]

16. Nope, Daddy is the consultant, not Jr. Jr's connection *is* Daddy

And the fact that he's running for office, timed with the release of this movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kean#.22The_Path_to_9.2F11.22

[galloglas]

41. If so, you're right on! N/T

[diamidue]

33. When the admin. initially appointed Henry Kissinger

to head up the 9/11 investigation, how could anyone NOT suspect a whitewash was coming?

[symbolman]

39. Seems to me this would be a HUGE

Conflict of Interest, and then this asshat was SHILLING for the Movie, LITERALLY on Wolfie's CNN sideshow, "There'll be MORE Terrorists in it, More pain and suffering, you'll be really entertained with things you didn't know.."

Yeah, we didn't KNOW them because YOU made them UP.

Jailtime. He should be censured by Congress and thrown OUT.

All this, "We didn't want to show it to any left wing people (WHO were IN IT), for fear of it being not shown like the Reagan movie.."

What's that like, "I wrecked your car, but didn't want you to know so I ran it into the swamp.." :)

CROOKED as a STICK.

BTW, kinda interesting that only 3 Million was spent on this cause, while he's involved in a 40 million dollar film made in CANADA since the economy sucks so bad here due to BUSH's and HIS Rubberstamping policies.

[Rex]

46. You know these people don't do 'conflict of interest' or collusion

or moral relevancy. Nothing. They are walking automatons; programmed by PNAC and the BFEE. Should have giant antennas sticking out of the top of their heads. *BzzZZZzzzz*

[symbolman]

50. LOL

good one :)

And a JUDGE in their back pocket.. oh you killed the Judge when you sat down! No matter, we'll just BUY you another one, there, there now.. no crying.. here, BLOW your Nose on this stack of 100's.. all better now?

This guy is a CROOK and a lying fake Christian..

Bush's era of personal responsibility, remember that? What a joke.. :)

[BootinUp]

47. The movie is a definite problem

but one commissioner trying to make money on it does not discredit the whole commission report.

I agree he has stepped way over the line with the movie. He should have asked for other commisioners to participate, but then I guess his paycheck would have been smaller. Really he should never have associated with this writer and director who have a mission to remake Hollywood.

[FoxOnTheRun]

53. What do you think your signature pic means?

Lou Dobbs knows 911 is a fraud
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/217519/lou_dobbs_9_11/

[berni_mccoy]

56. My sig pic represents the truth of why we invaded Iraq

There is no other explanation. Oil companies and defense contractors are the only segments of the markets with outstanding numbers. And why? Not because we claimed the oil. Because we introduced instability into the market. Oil company profits are tied directly to the price of oil. What causes oil to rise? A decrese in global supply. What caused a decrease in global supply and stability like no other action? The invasion of Iraq. Who has profited from this?

[FoxOnTheRun]

57. Yes but it's not only supply and demand

Iraq had 3.5 million barrel a day during the UN invasion and now it has about 2.5 million barrel a day.



They are rubbing their hands as well as Halliburton


But it's also has something to do with dollar, the dollar is backed by oil since the 70's.
When the dollar inflates, because the FED is printing money like crazy and hiding their M3 number, the amount of dollars goes up and the price for oil goes up to.
It's not only oil but copper, gold etc...
The world is financing the US inflation... and if someone wants to switch to Euro they get invaded

http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

[leftofthedial]

59. whoever it is who owns this country and its "government"

will never allow that to happen

[lonestarnot]

65. Nothing like investigation of 5 year old facts.

How satisfying.