I requested that the powers on DU dig up the 9/11 postings here at DU

[angstlessk]

so we can revisit how we felt that horrible day. Do you think it is a worthy request? I went to the "Wayback Machine" and got nothing...and even though it said 2001..the posts were from 2002...but many will find the site interesting none the less to I will put in the link to the "Wayback Machine" and DU: http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_/http://www.democraticunderground.com

Even though it does not post much from 2001 it is still very interesting to see how Elad has tweaked the site to become the MOST BEST site on the web!

[angstlessk]

1. Dern..it dropped like a rock THAT fast..hate to kick my own post

but it was gone by the time I hit refresh!

[helderheid]

3. I'll help you out

:kick:

[Skidmore]

2. Summoning the powers....

kick.

[Kingshakabobo]

4. Someone posted links last year, IIRC.

It was interesting reading.

[Lisa]

5. someone did this a couple of anniversaries ago, and I agree ...

It was very informative. So I'd like to second angstlessk's motion.

I seem to recall that Kef (who has passed away since then, unfortunately) was one of the first people to alert us to this, in LBN. And there are other posts on that day, by DUers who are still with us, and who were only a few miles from the sites of the attacks.

Some of the newer DUers might like to see it as well.

[stillcool]

6. I would like that very much...

seems like the perfect venue for some historical perspective.

[Nikki Stone 1]

8. kicking a worthy post

:kick:

[northamericancitizen]

7. k & R great idea.

[Skidmore]

9. Dayum.....that summoning stuff is pretty powerful.

[Torgo Johnson]

10. LINK TO GENERAL DISCUSSION ARCHIVES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID35&az=list&archive=yes

[uppityperson]

13. Thank you for all the links.

page 98 GD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID35&mm=3880&archive=yes
page 87 LBN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID5&mm=3440&archive=yes

Specifically
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3984&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes

[TahitiNut]

16. Here's where the 9/11 threads begin in GD. Kephra (RIP) was first.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID35&mm=3920&archive=yes

[Jax]

17. Miss him so

LBN is still not the same for me. He was a much classier Dean supporter than I ever was...

Thank you for these links TahitiNut...

[DemInDistress]

19. thank you TahitiNut.. I just reviewed page 1 and mind you

there is a smorgasbord of opinions some right on the money (inside job) while others supported the country as Americans not Democrats. Even Will Pitt supported the president.

great stuff. bookmarked for a lesson about DU-ers. I wasn't here in 01'

[DemInDistress]

20. K&R...must read !!

[TahitiNut]

22. My favorite one-liner: "Looks like shrub got his war." (reprobate)

At 10:07am, it was already clear. It was expected. It was NOT a surprise - just a shock.

And this analysis, by tom_paine, stands the test of time. It shows, I believe, how clued-in and seemingly prescient DUers can be.

tom_paine (5799 posts)
Sep-11-01, 10:22 AM (ET)

8. Wake up and smell the coffee, Chris

Atlant is right, that is what they want you to say.

In many ways (NOT that I am condoning it in any way) this is karmic payback for our national sins (and I don't think we're done paying, I'm afraid). We had a coup, we sat back and didn't stand up for our own vanishing rights. We watched IL Chimpe trample all over workers rights, human rights, civil rights, the environment and anyone and anything else that didn't have a large wad of cash...

Also, consider this, let's say you were a German and the Reichstag burned down in 1934. Would your response have been, "This is a German issue, lets put aside our differences with Hitlerites and find out who did this!"

Now, I'm not sure, nor will I state that I think the Bush Axis did this all themselves (10% possibility), but I believe it much more likely (40% possibility) that the Bush Axis knew this was coming and did nothing. Hell, they probably care more for the destroyed buildings than they do the dead, worthless serf/automatons.

The sad part is, for the first time in my life I can even conceive or would suspect our own people either doing this or standing by and letting happen.

But I can with IL Bushe. I most certainly can.

One other question, Chris: Which of our right/privacies will we lose over this one? Your naive as hell if you don't think the Bush Axis will target them in the wake of this tragedy. Hmmmm, sounds familiar, doesn't it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4277&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#8

[proud patriot]

23. What I find interesting looking back

I and many DUers stood united (I still didn't like bush)
But I took a step back to let him lead without attacks from
me . It took me a couple of weeks of waiting and watching before
I started feeling like bush was making mistakes and not doing
a good job leading .

[TahitiNut]

25. A sizable minority didn't ... presciently, imho.

It wasn't until a couple of months later that I joined DU. If I'd been here, I'd have been alongside tom_paine.

It was a full year earlier, in September 2000, that I predicted a full-scale war in the Middle East precipitated by some event of a scale far greater than the bombing of the Cole or Marine Barracks ... IF Smirk were elected. I made this prediction in an AtHome ISP newsgroup - in writing. (Tempest is a witness.)

The morning of 9/11 made my prediction come true. I can have no reasonable doubt whatsoever that the 9/11 attack wasn't fully know ahead of time - all except the seat assignments. The FACT that I, without a shred of inside information, could foresee it and the FACT that the FBI/CIA/NSA were able to "magically" discover and announce the details of all 19 hijackers and what they'd been doing within 48 hours of the collapse of the twin towers(!) is insurmountable proof to methat this information was in the possession of insiders well before 9/11. (Remember Richard Jewell.)

[proud patriot]

21. 102 is the 12th of sept 2001

at that archive link

[Bonobo]

24. Gas prices were $1.35 cents/gallon on Sept. 11!!!

[Torgo Johnson]

11. LINK TO LATEST BREAKING NEWS ARCHIVES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID5&az=list&archive=yes

[elehhhhna]

26. oh christ I just found some of Khephras posts.

Khephra O8)

DU :patriot:

.

[LibraLiz1973]

29. I would be interested to know if Will Pitt still feels this way?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4283&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes


Of course I KNOW he does not in any way support Bush~ what I mean is, in retrospect does he still feel the same way about that moment?

[NMDemDist2]

31. here's the big thread from LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3984&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes

[Torgo Johnson]

12. LINK TO DU LOUNGE ARCHIVES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID40&mm=0&archive=yes

[ms liberty]

14. Excellent idea and thanks for the links above...K&R for later n/t

[Sydnie]

15. Here's a good start

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3984&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes#1

[Texasgal]

18. whoa...

reading that thread gave me chills....wow.. just wow...

Thank you for posting that.

[SeattleGirl]

27. Thanks so much for the links to these archives. I had not yet

found DU when 9/11 happened. I appreciate being able to read the thoughts of all of you who posted at that time.

[blonndee]

28. Some incredible foresight on the part of Tom_Paine and others

"One other question, Chris: Which of our right/privacies will we lose over this one? Your naive as hell if you don't think the Bush Axis will target them in the wake of this tragedy. Hmmmm, sounds familiar, doesn't it?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4277&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes

Tom_Paine elaborates here:

"Which civil rights/liberties will the Bush Axis target in the wake of the tragedy?

I firmly believe, whether the Bush Axis is involved with the bombings (10% chance) or knew it was coming and let it happen (40% chance), they will target rights and liberties. They will probably get their way because the Democrats were scarcely standing up to them before without the impetus of this terrible tragedy.

Which ones do you think will go? My prediction is that they will use this to crack down on the internet. They will also further reduce "probable cause" for warrants and the like making corruption and harassment/intimidation/selective prosecution/preventative incarceration easier to perform, get away with, and not be challened by the victims.

That's my guess for the specifics, but of one thing I HAVE NO DOUBT. That the Bush Axis will use this terrible tragedy for their own ends. Have they ever NOT used tragedy for their own ends, from Watergate (ultimate corruption--Ken Starr, Grand Inquisitor) to the Iranian Hostage Crisis (October Surprise) and beyond. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4279&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes

This thread is about the possible repercussions to Americans. I thought this post by bain_sidhe was really good. It included this quote:

"I think there will be a lot less public resistance to increased surveillance by law enforcement and/or restrictions on privacy, freedom of speech and assembly, than there has been to date, or that there would have been prior to the attacks. And I also think there will be a lot less Congressional resistance to increasing law enforcement powers, and to spending more money - maybe a LOT more money - on defense.

From what I've read, Senate Democrats were planning to hold the Defense appropriations bill until after the appropriations for their priorities had been dealt with. That is no longer a politically defensible strategy, meaning whatever deficits result from this year's appropriations bills will be blamed on Democratic spending priorities - social welfare, health care and education programs - instead of Bush's defense spending priorities.

I think that the economic slowdown is going to cause some real pain to people - and under Bush's budget, the social safety net will have huge holes (not to mention the pain the Bankruptcy bill will cause laid-off workers). Democrats were just starting to make that point to the country at large. Now the blame for any economic difficulties can be deflected from Bush's policies and placed on the destruction of one of the main financial centers of the country - and coincidentally, giving the American people a ready-made (and emotionally more *satisfying*) target for their anger about any economic pain they may have.

At a time when - after months of giving Bush a free ride - news media was just starting to be more critical of his policies, this attack - and the desire to rally around the country (and Bush as the leader of the country) makes it more difficult for news organizations to be critical of Bush - for *any* reason, not just on things related to this incident. I think this same sentiment will make the general public reluctant to question/oppose Bush, too - even for good reasons. And I have no doubt that those who *do* oppose Bush for *any* reason will have their patriotism questioned in the harshest terms in order to discredit or marginalize the critics - and it will probably work."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4342&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#7

Carla:

"I wouldn't put this past Bush and his co-horts. Re-read some of the past thread regurgitating his family's glorious background. Remember, three time he voiced desires for a dictatorship. How best to go about creating one but to have a major disaster occur of outrageous proportions."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4283&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#2

mreilly:

"However, that does not mean in my mind I'm going to play into Bush's hands and cheer for or automatically stand behind anything he or his regime says, now or in the days ahead. These people cannot lead in times of tranquility so I have no faith in their ability to lead in times of turmoil. If anything all the hubbub now will encourage them to keep shoving their agenda through behind the scenes. Whatever statements or utterances Bush makes now will just be the same parrotted propaganda his handlers put in front of him. I will not go so far as to speculate that Bush or his henchmen had anything to do with today's events but on the flip side I cannot believe they will not try to profit as much as possible or they will shelve their motivations for the time being.

I respect William Pitt immensely (he and Starpass are my favorite posters here) and find his insight invaluable but must say that I cannnot allow Bush and his cronies to capitalize upon this massacre by ensnaring me into rallying for his causes or looking to him for guidance. If anything watching Bush attempt to handle this meaningfully as Clinton or even Reagan would have makes it all the more obvious we need real leadership."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4283&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#2

Piperay:

"People will rally around...him in this tragedy and he will be elected in 2004."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4299&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#3

Good question posed by enki after W's little evening speechy:

"(paraphrased) we will not make distinctions between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.

i just want to know, how broadly will that message be interpreted?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4325&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#3


A couple of things I learned today from skimming these old threads:

I'm surprised to find that the so-called "report" of "Palestinians" cheering on the attack was already available and cited in these threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4296&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4289&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#4

And Republicans already blaming Clinton, before the attacks even known to be over:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4283&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#2

This I never heard and don't know whether it's significant looking back (Kabul under attack):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4308&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#3

Muslim-hating already starting and cited here (and defended by some, unfortunately):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4401&forum=DCForumID35&archive=yes#5

[eccles12]

30. I think it's a great idea. Please, please! nt

[uppityperson]

32. amazing reading of these.

"how will bush play this", wtf is going on, what will they take away, wtf is going on, bush is reading to schoolkids will comment later after Karl figures out what to say, playing into bush's hands, wtf is going on?

[Wednesdays]

33. Personally, I'm going to dig up old reports of 9/11

Not so much to be nostalgic than to find more about what happened, and in what order. For example, I understand CNN will be replaying the whole 9-11-01 newscast this Monday, and I think exactly in the same sequence as the original broadcast. Hopefully a lot of us will be taping it (I didn't have presence of mind to tape it the first time around, of course), maybe revealing something that contradicts what we've been told to believe by one party or another.