This ABC/Disney thing doesn't bode well

[Onlooker]

At the height of their power, the right wing was able to force Dan Rather from CBS and prevent CBS from airing a biopic about Reagan on their network. We on the other hand, even with the very vocal support of prominent Democrats, have been unable to get ABC or Disney to do much about Path to 9/11. Part of the reason, I think, is that so many progressives have made it clear they will not boycott Disney or ABC, and think the right of those who use our airwaves to lie to the American people is an issue of freedom of speech. But, nevermind that. We are faced with the fact that the rewrite of history will be broadcast.

As a result our failure, not only is Path to 9/11 going to broadcast, but it will get an added boost as Bush delivers a speech right in the middle of it. Obviously, this was all carefully planned in collusion between the White House, Disney, and the religious right.

What are we going to do about it?

[Eric J in MN]

1. Buy a Democracy Bond.

Sign up for a monthly donation to the Democratic Party. Howard Dean, Chairman.

http://www.democrats.org/democracybonds.html

[EFerrari]

2. WE ARE GOING TO BOYCOTT DISNEY 106 DAYS BEFORE XMAS!

We are going to have ourselves a splendid boycott and hit them on all their platforms where it hurts in a nonpartisan way.

Merry Disney-free Christmas!

If you think about it and if we do this right, next time someone tries to manipulate us via 9/11, they'll think "remember what they did to Disney!" and they'll think again.

BOYCOTT DISNEY. RESPECT THE FAMILIES OF 9/11

[MADem]

3. And they surely deserve a full out boycott!!!!

http://thorg.chattablogs.com.nyud.net:8090/images/pathtoabugraibe.jpg

At least until this next 'docudrama' airs.....

http://blog.thorg.com/archives/039328.html

[EFerrari]

8. LOL! You know, my mom is really enjoying the idea of a boycott

because she says Disney is turning her three granddaughters into bubbleheads.

lol

:toast:

[City Lights]

22. ROTFLMAO!

MADem, you are on a roll! Thanks for keeping my spirits up! :hug:

[LiberalArkie]

5. Don't worry, Disney knows everyone will forget about it.

[EFerrari]

7. And, they would be wrong.

:)

[MADem]

11. I think you underestimate the power of pissed off people

See Parks, Rosa in your history book.

[EFerrari]

15. When I was a 16 yr old, I was told we couldn't buy Gallo wine

because the United Farm Workers were striking them.

To this day, Gallo has never enjoyed my custom.

Disney is messing with the wrong people.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

25. Me too

I still forbid Gallo in my home.

[EFerrari]

38. See what I mean, neighbor? Disney is messing with the wrong people.

:)

[bliss_eternal]

31. I remember that...

I've never drank Gallo (or bought it for others).

[EFerrari]

43. *That* is what we need to do. Make it reflexive for people to avoid

disney products. Parks, dvds, merchandise.

We need to Gallo disney!

[bliss_eternal]

46. I agree...and am willing to do my part to get the word

out in Socal. Though I don't think I have a lot of work on my hands. Quite a few people went to that protest on Friday. If that many people showed up to an impromptu protest, imagine how many more would be willing and able to participate in an organized effort.

I love that--Gallo Disney! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

49. We're just going to round up all the grown ups who are already

pissed off because their kids keep asking for overpriced junk!


This will be a community service!

:rofl:

[bliss_eternal]

54. LOL! LOL!

:rofl::spray::rofl::spray: :rofl::spray::rofl::spray: :rofl::spray::rofl::spray: :rofl::spray::rofl::spray:

[Eric J in MN]

14. Maybe that's what they think, but I still haven't forgiven Sinclair...

...for the "Stolen Honor" mess.

[MADem]

18. Or their role in the ABC cancellation of Politically Incorrect. NT

[Eric J in MN]

19. ABC cancelled "Politically Incorrect" because of Sinclair? NT

NT

[MADem]

20. Yes, the ABC/SINCLAIR station in greater DC KEPT IT OFF the air

When one of your largest markets isn't seeing your political humor, it kind of withers on the vine.

It was very frustrating, living in the nation's cap, and having to rely on mailed tapes from the blue north for the program...

[bliss_eternal]

32. I haven't either...

Sinclair sucks!

[bliss_eternal]

10. ...complete with picketers in front of Disney stores

passing out flyers as to why others should think twice before spending money with them. AND people at toy stores pasing out flyers asking them to NOT purchase any Disney toys, stuffed animals, dolls, etc.--also picketing the toy stores--for carrying Disney items.

That WON'T look good. Toy stores being picketed during the height of the shopping season.

Picketers at Disney, Toys R Us and Target should suffice...;)

[EFerrari]

12. Very bad timing, don't you think?

:hi:

[bliss_eternal]

27. Definitely...

but I have nothing better to do than to make sure they have a horrible holiday season. How about you? ;)
On edit, even if that means I use my pass to the resort (already paid for prior to this mess) to go there and pass out flyers, put them on cars, whatever it takes. I will be a thorn in the side of that company. :mad:

:hi:

[EFerrari]

39. They've given us a HUGE target that can't possibly protect all its flanks.

lol

:)

[bliss_eternal]

44. That's a great point..wow--they're pretty stupid

aren't they?

[EFerrari]

47. I can't believe they walked straight into this. Honestly, what a terrible

mistake this is going to be for them. The gift that keeps on giving!

[juajen]

30. Don't forget "The Lion King" Broadway show

I believe Disney owns that theater, don't they?

[bliss_eternal]

33. I know they remodeled it--

they may own it. I would need to check that. I'm trying to sell my tickets for their LA show. The tickets have "Disney's the Lion King"printed on them. So no way I'm going.

[blm]

36. Unfortunately, that puts alot of minority actors out of work. Lion King

has been a great show for minority talent. And its writers and musical talent have all been great progressives.

[EFerrari]

41. BushCo has put a lot of minority people out of work

when it isn't outright killing them.

My brother worked "Wicked" here in SF.

And, he'd back this boycott in a heartbeat -- even though he has three little princesses at home. (Who are probably watching a disney dvd right now, lol.)

[bliss_eternal]

48. I know...it breaks my heart to sell it.

I was looking forward to the show. The show will still go on, though--without my presence. I can't endorse them on any level.

[BootinUp]

4. Until they air the piece of trash

we will not be able to build more support for calling them out as the partisan hacks they are.

I think we can still gain the upper hand, but due to

1) Claims it is still being edited

2) the late effort by the Dems to stop it, the best we will be able to do is get the story out after it shows.

[bliss_eternal]

28. Weren't the late efforts to stop it, due in part

to the fact they didn't release information to anyone outside of the repukes initially?

I'm still unclear on this...

[BootinUp]

35. I think that is correct. Scripts were limited to only 5 complete copies

And they did a fine job of advertising it as a carefully done fact checked movie over the last year and half. I think it did surprise a lot of folks.

[bliss_eternal]

37. So this was as evil as we've implied and thought?

This was a long term, calculated effort on their part?

:mad::grr: I can't believe the company that I've given so much money to over the years could be so corrupt. I'm just thankful I found out before I gave them more, but still really pissed.

[BootinUp]

40. More background info

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2080965

Also a very good recap here:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609090003

[bliss_eternal]

50. I was reading EarlG's post last night...

I just finished it. Thanks for the mediamatters.org link.

This is all so horrible. When the left was saying this admin. smelled like Nazi Germany no one wanted to hear it...now this. What does this look like if not Hitler appearing prior to or after one of Leni's propaganda films
to put his stamp of approval on it.

:(

[pretzel4gore]

6. the gopigs lose, by winning....

and thus they 'win' by losing. the p2911 movie won't gain the gopigs anything; but it will make silly any idea that the newsmedia is anti bush or prodem.... therefore, by rights, the gopigs should be trying to get the puff piece killed (some indeed are, re bennet, tweets, chris wallace etc) but they fear giving the democrats/liberals/progressives and disillusioned rightwingers any sense of momentum or success, so they are, like sisyphus, doomed to push the rock up the hill, knowing that eventually gravity alone will make it all in vain :) cheers....

[MADem]

17. See, the mood IS changing, and you just proved it!!!

You said the magic words....

THEY FEAR

No one talks much about what "they" are afraid of. But they are afraid of losing power, and that is what is happening to them.

We need them to do a lot less gumflapping, and a lot more fearing. And if we keep on keepin' on, we can put the fear of GAWD into those muthas!!!!!!!!!

[stillcool]

9. well....

I think the reason why ABC...and all other alphabet letters are doing this is because they can. They own the airwaves, the networks, the entire media apparatus. As they say...if you got it flaunt it!

[Neshanic]

13. Video Ipods with the propoganda pre loaded for stocking stuffers I say!

Never too soon to have the kids and gramps and grandma have the fruits of the new propoganda technology.

Then I am going to sit with the whole family around our new Apple media center that downlaods ABC/Disney Christmas cartoons animated by Pixar that show Disney's latest take on the real reason Christ was born with John Stossell....boy that guy digs deep and gets the truth. Thank baby Jesus for Disney.

Later on the Disney Family Channel we will watch Pat Robertson give official blessings to the ABC/Disney board, which without them buying his network, he could not afford to redistribute his booty to the needy.

The night will be capped off praying to an image of Steve Jobs that will be aired continuously all Christmas/Disney Day!

[BeatleBoot]

16. Notice How No One Is Talking About Iraq Anymore?

[jimshoes]

21. Or the fact that the Senate

Intelligence Committee confirmed that Saadam Had nothing to do with Al Q or 9-11.

[BeatleBoot]

24. Exactly. That's what This Whole Thing Is About.

That is,

1) Drown out the truth that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. (a GOP Win)

2) While simultaneously getting the GOP Base motivated by throwing them some political red meat vis-a-vis: "it was Clinton's fault." (a GOP Win)

Its a Win-Win for the GOP.

Karl Rove is written all over it.

I imagine this is going to get even worse before November.

[City Lights]

23. I hate to say it, but we're

STAYING THE COURSE! :evilgrin:

_Disney and _ABC are dead to me.

[bliss_eternal]

29. Yes we are...

and they are dead to me as well.

I wonder if Universal Orlando would like the money dh and I were going to spend to go to WDW? :evilgrin:

[mnhtnbb]

26. I don't think the fat lady has sung, yet. Let's wait and see.

[Ignacio Upton]

34. Two reasons why:

1. The people who control Disney are ideologically aligned with the right in terms of corporate influence.

2. They don't take us seriously, because they think that liberals in general don't get as angry at them as conservatives. Although I think this is starting to change.

[EFerrari]

42. I think they're about to get their ration of Liberal Anger for the season.

Maybe we should send them some salt, just for good measure. :evilgrin:

[SmokingJacket]

45. Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think a fear of a boycott

carries much weight anymore. If anything, we boycott too much, and so diffuse the tactic's power.

I mean, of *course* we must buy stop buying stuff from companies that suck! But...I have never liked Disney or network television and so cannot boycott a thing I don't use, and I'm not the only one.

But I think that whoever's backing this thing -- because ABC must benefit from it, most likely monetarily, but maybe in other ways too (access? I really don't know) -- just holds way, way, way more power than millions of Americans do. That sounds nuts, but I think that's what it's come to.

I think the Internet is our greatest weapon -- it's practically our only weapon, our only way of getting truth out. We need to keep blogging, keep writing, and keep getting the word out to people.

[EFerrari]

51. We can multi-task. And believe me, retail cares about its numbers

in December. It's a way they use to rally their troops and pacify their stockholders.

We don't give them the number they need.

If we hit disney hard this season, we can set the bar. They can steal our elections but they can't steal our wallets (yet) without our permission.

[SmokingJacket]

53. Are there lots of Disney lovers who have been royally pissed off

by this movie?

Because if so, we have a good chance of making the impact you describe.

(It's hard for me to get my brain around because I've never knowingly bought any Disney crap in my life, and those people I know who DO like Disney are Republicans or apolitical...)

[EFerrari]

56. I hear you. My bro is in this group. He's got three girls under 15

and he is the hardest working person I know.

He doesn't have TIME to analyze all of this. But, when I tell him that rightwing nutcases have contracted with disney to make Clinton a fall guy, my bro WILL explode. He may not be visible or very vocal but disney can kiss their sales good bye.

Sometimes the quiet gestures are the most lethal ones.

[bliss_eternal]

52. I understand what you're saying...

...but you seem to assume most people are like you and the ones you know of, that don't use Disney's products, don't go to the parks, ESPN zone, etc. and don't watch ABC.

As a ardent Disney fan I know personally how many fans they have. I also know that a sizable amount of them are Dems who are pissed.

I think you make an interesting point about the power of boycotts. But how many do you know of that are organized and consistent?

I honestly don't recall a concentrated boycott effort like the one we put forth for Sinclair. But, since I found out about Buyblue.org I've made an effort to NOT shop places that are HUGE GOP contributers, like Home Depot. Well, I recently heard they filed for bankruptcy so apparently some others aren't shopping there either. Maybe it is working on some level.

I believe that this CAN work. But you are of course entitled to believe it won't. :)

[SmokingJacket]

55. Well, I don't know if it'll work, and it's probably not something

I *personally* can put a lot of energy towards, since, as you say, I'm not a Disney fan.

But if you believe it'll work, I support you all the way. :thumbsup:

(I buy blue too! Is that true about Home Depot?? Wow -- well, they certainly spread themselves too thin, imho.)

[EFerrari]

57. Home Depot is my heartbreaker. I fix things and learning how red

they are just about killed me.

But, there are plenty of alternatives, including local mom n pop hardware stores that could use our support.

[bliss_eternal]

59. Oh...I'm so sorry...

:hug: I know how you feel, though. It is heartbreaking when companies that offer items or experiences you enjoy turn out to be red, rat bastards.

I'm particularly heartbroken over Disney--and not feeling much better right now regarding Apple. :( I can't believe they are streaming this pos free over the internet and ipod. :wtf:

[EFerrari]

60. That's Chapter Two. Apple just plummeted on the Progressive Scale

and they will regret this.

:nuke:

[bliss_eternal]

61. Think we should start an Apple e-mail campaign ..?

For people to state they will also be boycotted for airing this thing?

I tried to start a thread Thursday (I think), but it didn't get many hits. I think people were really distracted, and focused on ABC/Disney, no one even had the energy to think about Apple's role in all of this.

I'd love for them to be as swamped as Disney has with all of this. I tried to call Apple and couldn't get through.

[EFerrari]

62. We should probably do that first because they are DISTRIBUTING!

I confess to being distracted but, they are the outlet.

We need to go after them.

[bliss_eternal]

65. Here's the thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2074866

Take the contact information from it (cut and paste)if you'd like, and start a new thread, stating they are distributing and request DU'ers contact them by e-mail over the weekend, phonecalls on Monday...letting them know they too will be boycotted, etc.

:hi:

Trying to get off here. lol.

[EFerrari]

66. Thanks! Good weekend!

:hi:

[bliss_eternal]

68. You too!

Let me know if you start a thread so I don't create one, too. :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

58. Thank you for your support...!

:hi: That helps!

On home depot, hmmmm. I went looking for info. and all I could find was this:

http://www.11alive.com/money/money_article.aspx?storyid=84037

stating that they are downsizing and cutting many employees from their Atlanta corporate offices. :shrug: So maybe they are, maybe they aren't.

Spread too thin? In terms of opening too many stores?

[SmokingJacket]

64. Yes, it seemed to me that Home Despots were springing up like mushrooms

for a while there. I think a lot of people were taking home equity loans and doing *a lot* of home improvement stuff. If the housing boom is cooling, and interest rates are rising, I suspect people won't be remodeling quite so much.

Does our town need our brand new HD AND a Lowes? I don't know; we got a long fine for years with just our little local hardware store. It seems like people will have buy a TON more hardware to keep them both in business.

[bliss_eternal]

67. Same here...

We have a Home Depot that always seem busy. They are opening a Lowe's right across the street from them. We go to Osh. ;) :rofl:

[minnesota_liberal]

63. Besides permanently boycotting ABC and Disney?

I'd love to see something like this by MoveOn or a similar organization:

ANNOUNCER: (Name of celebrity), now that you've (won the Superbowl or some other accomplishment), what are you going to do now?

CELEBRITY: I'm sure as hell NOT going to Disneyworld!

ANNOUNCER: Why not?

CELEBRITY: By airing "The Path to 9/11," ABC and Disney intentionally presented a falsified account of a historical event and politicized a tragedy, not only failing in their broadcast duty to serve the public interest but also attempting to influence the upcoming election. At the very least, they deserve to be shunned.