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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:17 PM
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Have DU "Collyforn-ians" caved into Ahhhhnold's Pandering?
Do you guys love him because of the "Kennedy Factor?" What else could explain that this Govenor (which the Freeps/Repugs are looking to as the next Reagan) could ignore his RASCIST STATEMENTS about "hot, Black Blood" and still support him?

I'm totally NOT UNDERSTANDING this!!!

Is it possible that CA Dems feel they can "Mold" this AUSTRIAN DUAL CITIZEN to their Goals and so it's better to stick with the REPUG YOU KNOW than the REPUG you Don't?

WHAT??????? :shrug:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:22 PM
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1. No one that I have met believes the Groper

and I live in CA.

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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:24 PM
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2. No self respecting DUer supports that dick
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 06:25 PM by notmypresident
Mostly because of his disgusting sexist behavior.

As a RW asshole he is better than most but as a human being he is a fucking pig.

So what exactly made you issue this slur?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:27 PM
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3. Even Austria doesn't want this guy back.
He's totally lost the people of CA. If he's re-elected, they stole it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:58 PM
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17. I think he's the guy that "Sound of Music folks" were trying to escape....
but then, maybe he's not that bad...marrying a Kennedy and all that. :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:26 PM
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27. Do we have DNA on that?
lol
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:45 PM
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31. I know...an "ironic" LOL's .........ugh.....n/t
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:31 PM
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4. The Gropenator- ugh.
Didn't vote for him last time, won't vote for him in November...My Little Pony or Hello Kitty would make better governors. Heck, a pet rock would be an improvement.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:33 PM
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5. what the fuck are you talking about?
i'm in cali and have NEVER supported ahnuld.

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:35 PM
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7. Second this. . .
the OP's clueless. . .
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:39 PM
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8. indeed.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:00 PM
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18. The OP is NOT clueless. Arnold is likely to be re-elected...
Just a few days ago, there was a post on DU about how Ahnold is looking much more appealing (he'd just signed an important environmental bill) and that this particular DU'er was considering voting for the assturd. When I countered the OP with several links regarding Ahnold's VETOES of bills securing universal healthcare for Californians and equal rights for gays and lesbians, the OP responded back that they thought the environment (lessening of greenhouse gasses) was the more important issue; hence, they were standing by their leanings toward Ahnold.

This OP isn't alone in their leanings toward Ahnold. Stephen Spielberg and his co-exec partner of Dreamworks--both viewed by most as "Hollywood Liberals"--recently publicly announced their support of Ahnold for re-election and both contributed GENEROU$LY toward pigface's gubentorial campaign. And what was Mr. Spielberg's explanation for his heavy support of a Republican? Friendship and taxes--mostly taxes, he admitted. Spielberg claims Angelides plans to raise taxes on California's wealthy and that is the primary reason he and his Dreamworks cohort are supporting Ahnold. If Ahnold had been vetoing away the rights of Jews instead of Gays and Lesbians, do you think Spielberg might feel differently? Hmmm...me thinks I smell a money-grubbing hypocrite in Mr. Spielberg.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:13 PM
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21. What you say and that Ahhhnold is seeming to "lean to green" says that
many CA'ers are thinking he's just not so bad. I don't want another Damned REAGAN sitting in the White House a few years from now ...Just because Ahhhnold smoked something Green to get him re-elected and most folks couldn't find a Tough Enough Dem to counter Ahhhhhnold's STAR POWER!!!!

Been there and done that. Californians need to wake up and FIGHT HARDER just like those of us here in NC who have "seeming well meaning" DINO DEMS in Power ...need to WORK harder to get MORE PROGRESSIVES INTO POWER ...even if we have to suffer it's not like NC has a Gropenator married to a Kennedy with huge REPUG BACKING from a HUGE POPULATION STATE who just MIGHT become the NEXT REAGAN! GASP!!!!!and DREAD!!!!!! We've seen how this worked before...we need to "nip it in the bud." :shrug:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:11 PM
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39. You're saying you think he's going to win
based on one post on DU?

There's an entire state out there, and he hasn't made many fans in CA. Please give us a bit more credit than this. People said the same things about his ridiculous special election, which I recall went down in flames.

Where do you people get this stuff? :shrug: Sorry, you just can't base your entire view of something on some posts on an internet board. Try to broaden your resources and see what else is out there, at least...
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:45 PM
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40. No, based on the polls
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 10:47 PM by keepCAblue
Early polling reports claim Ahnold has a sizeable lead over Angelides.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:47 PM
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41. What polls...?
I thought it was determined that these polls people get in a tizzy about are flawed...

If you want to take the opinion of a poll over those that you talk to here, that's your choice.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:37 AM
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43. I don't know why you're so hostile
I'm as concerned as anyone about the possibility of Ahnold winning. The real danger is people who are sitting around on their hands doing nothing (like Angelides?), content with the perhaps false security that Ahnold CAN'T win and that all the polls citing his lead must therefore be flawed. Instead of throwing caution to wind why not take these so-called "flawed" polling numbers as a big red flag of things to come and get to work rallying everyone you know to help in unfoiling that which these "flawed" polls are forecasting? If well-known liberals like Spielberg et.al. are brazen enough to throw their public support behind Ahnold, what makes you so damned sure that there aren't thousands of other libs, dems, and indies who are more quietly supporting das Ahnold?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:53 PM
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49. What makes you so sure there are?
If you are here, merely to bash Angelides and chide those that plan to vote for him, take it somewhere else. I'm not interested.

Oh and you still haven't posted that link to these "alleged" polls. Apparently you haven't seen any and are here just to get a rise out of people.

And speaking of people sitting on their hands, if you were so sincere and wanting Angelides to win as much as the next guy--you would be posting something along the lines of "what can I do to help" not "...whoa...Arnold's already won." How very transparent. :eyes:

Again, take it somewhere else--I'm not buying, hell you can't give it away for free.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:20 PM
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58. i'm so sick of seeing these negative posts
regarding our chances of kicking the bastard out of sacramento! i don't even want to hear it and anyone who posts them is put immediately on my ignore list.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 01:43 PM
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62. shanti...
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 01:44 PM by bliss_eternal
:yourock:

if you didn't have them on ignore, you'd notice it seems to always be the same person(s) starting these threads. Someone seems to have an axe to grind with CA. :eyes:
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:23 PM
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59. REread my posts!
Where, pray tell, have I ever told anyone NOT to vote for Angelides? Where? Really, I'd like you to respond to this question, because this is absolutely inflammatory. I myself PLAN to vote for the man and personally respect his record and position. But read the local news, blogs...HELL, read DU posts by our "fellow" dems and that's where you'll hear, ad nauseum, about the "weak candidate" the dems have put forward for this election. That, oh errant one, is not coming from me...

And as for "bashing" Angelides...I have only remarked on his lack of campaign visibility--a fact which I think most everyone--Angelides included--can't deny. Angelides himself (or his camp) has admitted that he spent the bulk of his campaign money on beating Westly in the primaries and now hasn't near enough to launch the campaign he had hoped for against Ahnold.

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 01:46 PM
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63. Interesting...
that someone that openly admits to NOT being a Californian has SO much to say about what's going on with our candidates. How many threads is this for you now?

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:09 PM
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52. ?????????????????
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 05:18 PM by bliss_eternal
Last I checked Warren Beatty is on the side of Angelides as are other celebrities. Who cares who Spielberg votes for? Do you have a point?

This is southern California, you know the place where movies and tv shows are made. There are bound to be some misguided people, even celebrities that state they are supporting people that oppose their party ties. That's their choice.

Your presumption that people will take the time to go seeking Spielberg's ideas about how to vote and then vote that way is assuming a lot of Dems don't have a mind of their own.

Whose side are YOU on? Actually, I don't think I need to ask. :eyes:

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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:13 PM
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56. Divide and conquer
That's too bad, really it is. All my posts have been strictly "on message"--that message being one of alert regarding the way the Ahnold/Angelides race is shaping up. Do you read the any of the local newspapers or watch the local news? THAT is where the "Ahnold is leading in the polls"; "Ahnold has a 13 point lead over Phil" blah blah blah is coming from. Choose to ignore the polls if you want. Dismiss the news, fine...and do nothing but sit back and launch personal attacks on those who are TRYING (obviously in vain)to light a fire under fellow dems and indies to start fighting back now, in any way possible, to help Angelides get some sort of momentum going before it's too late.

"Whose side are YOU on? Actually, I don't think I need to ask."

This is absolutely insulting. You obviously have not read my posts whilst sober else you wouldn't be asking such an utterly moronic question.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:39 PM
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11. THIS...is the F**K I'm Talking about! Ahhhnold's Macacca Moment!!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:08 PM
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51. I think the Clinton smear took precedence
DU was all over this when it broke, but then the 9/11 movie took over, rightfully so. I don't think Arnold got a pass at all, but if he did, it's because of Hollywood Dems and not the Kennedy factor.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:09 PM
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37. Me neither...
:puke:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:34 PM
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6. I don't know of any CA dems who back him.
Remember that the recall was such an idiot way of doing things that Ahnold became governor with fewer votes than Grey Davis in the regular election. He won't stand a chance in the regular election unless his cronie appointee SOS McPhearson rigs the election and that's a possibility. That's why they got rid of SOS Kevin Shelley on trumped up charges so that they could get someone friendlier to reinstalling all the electronic voting machines that Shelley had decertified.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 06:44 PM
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9. Your post is not going to make many
friends in California. We are working our asses off to get the gropenator out of office. :eyes:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:52 PM
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15. My post was about WHY we DU'ers don't know what's going on with the
Austrian Gropenfuher! My post was that I've not seen any posts from DU CA's telling us what's going on out there with that POS that got by because his WIFE was a KENNEDY!!!

So...please enlighten me....!!! I'm scared to death that he will become the NEW REAGAN! so PLEASE tell me why he will LOSE!!!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:20 PM
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53. Seems easier for some to predict the future
than to actually get out there and do the work of supporting the candidates they allegedly support.

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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. Why do you presume that those who are **paying attention**
...are doing nothing?

What are you doing? Do share, (genuinely) enquiring minds and (informed) fortune tellers want to know.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:16 PM
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10. No, but
Angelides isn't exactly lighting a fire under my ass either.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:40 PM
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12. Who is Worst to you? Angiledes or Gropenantor? And Why?
:shrug:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:45 PM
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34. Well, the Gropenator is "worst" to me
But at this point, it's only because of the R beside his name.

I wish I had a sense of Angelides supporting policies I support.

It may be his fault or the media's fault, but I haven't heard anything positive from him yet.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:45 PM
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13. The MSM is playing that up.
The Gropenator has been leaning to the left lately, hoping to win Democratic votes in November. The consensus among the MSM is that he's neck and neck with Angelides and may win the election. To that, I say...."HUH"?
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:06 PM
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19. The polls I've heard of say Ahnold is well ahead of Angelides...
You know, it seems to me Angelides is doing nothing to get his name and message to the people. I've not seen one ad, one yard sign, one bumper sticker ... NOTHING. Yet Ahnold, by virtue of his current position as gropenator, has his smirky face and snarky words oozing from every media outlet in the state. Where the hell is Angelides and WHEN is he going to start actually CAMPAIGNING?? Time is running out!!!
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:46 PM
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14. So where's the CA DU'ers "support" & "love" for the Groper? Straw man. n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:54 PM
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16. huh?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:07 PM
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20. From your OP:
"Have DU "Collyforn-ians" caved into Ahhhhnold's Pandering? Do you guys love him because of the "Kennedy Factor?" "

Was that not addressed to CA Du'ers?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:17 PM
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23. Yes...but I didn't understand your complaint about what I said?
Maybe I just am slow on the uptake...but please explain further? :shrug:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:23 PM
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25. You appeared to be suggesting that CA DU'ers love and support the Groper.
If that's what you intended, where's the evidence to support such a characterization?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:24 PM
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26. As a Lefty DU'er why would you have gotten that from my post?
Surely you've read some of my stuff including the link to the latest of Ahhnold's latest racist statements.

why would you think that? :shrug:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:16 PM
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32. Because that's how it read. I wasn't the only one who took it that way.
As for what's going on, Ahnie's seeming "move to the left" is a matter of political reality, calculation in an election year. His special election propositions were soundly repudiated by the electorate. The Dems control the Leg. No doubt he's back to trying to woo the lefties and Dems with his recent "progressive" feints. Of course, there's other legislation he's vetoing that belies his election year image tweaking. Like universal health care.

As for his comments, he's always coming out with something stupid he later "apoligizes" for. What's interesting and so far unknown is how a tape of the private meeting wound up in the hands of the LA Times. Just recently, he settled a Brit sexual harrassment case out of court when it became clear that it was going to go to court and he couldn't squash it. Got that out of the way and knowing the media's short term memory it won't be an issue closer to the election.

Unlike Ahnold, Angelides apparently isn't very visible. He doesn't get free media coverage. He doesn't have comparable bucks for a substantial media campaign. At least I'm not seeing it. Spent a lot in his primary battle with Westly. And despite being the party establishment's choice in the primary, there doesn't seem to be much of a push for him now before the general election.

Meanwhile, I see Ahnie ads warning people that Angelides will raise your taxes. (Ah, meaning it will raise the taxes of the monied interests supporting Ahnold. Another post previously mentioned as to why big money "Dems" in the film industry like Spielberg are supporting Ahnold. Wonder what he promised them.)

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. thanks...for what's going on there..
again, I'm sorry you took my post as antagonistic. I often come off that way for some reason. Peace!

Koko
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
47. That is exactly how your OP reads to me too,
that you are claiming that CA DUers support Schwarzenegger. You may have thought that your hyperbole would be ignored in favor of a discussion of his racist comment, but the OP comes off differently.

As for his racist remark, one of the San Francisco stations interviewed Puerto Ricans living in the area and all but one said, no big deal, we ARE hot blooded. Never mind that most ignore the combo of black & Latino insulting. The comment is not sticking.

Angelides has been invisible for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm getting robocalls on various ballot initiatives but none about Angelides. Neither Boxer nor Feinstein are making prominent statements in ads for Angelides. Feinstein in particular could sway the fence-sitting moderates and disaffected conservatives.

There are Schwarzenegger or anti-Angelides ads placed in the strategic early evening hours of TV viewing but nearly nothing from Angelides. What others have posted is true -- Schwarzenegger has been polishing his image lately with some strategic support of bills that are important to moderates and liberals. I'm sure that the national Repub party is bankrolling it. There is no evidence that the national Democratic party views this race as important.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:15 PM
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22. I'd never vote for him
I don't know anyone who is.

But Angelides better start doing something soon. It's almost as though he's given up already.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:22 PM
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24. This is an insulting post and I don't see your basis for it
I've seen very few folks support Arnie on this board, however, I do see many Duers who expect him to win. I don't think Angelides has a chance since he is so far behind in money raising, gets very little free media, and just doesn't have the star power to counter Arnie and his name recognition. Arnie is sexist, racist, and is very bad for California. I do applaud him for signing the global warming legislation. I know he was forced into it because of his previous actions and he couldn't afford to come out before an election and appear anti-environment. For that alone, I'm very thankful because it's an very important step towards pushing this nation and this world to take some action to deter the impending crisis. I will continue to work against Arnie, but at this point I think my time is better spent on Congressional races.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Cally...I'm sorry you saw my post that way...but if you look at
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 08:43 PM by KoKo01
the pitiful response to the statements of Ahhhnold over "black blood" causing hot blood with Cubans and Puerto Ricans and Blacks that he made this weekend you might understand why I was frantic that CA DU'ers had gone to the "Dark Side" when Ahhhhnold professed to be "going green."

It was an honest question... Here's my post:

KoKo01 (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-09-06 07:17 PM
Original message
Have DU "Collyforn-ians" caved into Ahhhhnold's Pandering?

Do you guys love him because of the "Kennedy Factor?" What else could explain that this Govenor (which the Freeps/Repugs are looking to as the next Reagan) could ignore his RASCIST STATEMENTS about "hot, Black Blood" and still support him?

I'm totally NOT UNDERSTANDING this!!!

Is it possible that CA Dems feel they can "Mold" this AUSTRIAN DUAL CITIZEN to their Goals and so it's better to stick with the REPUG YOU KNOW than the REPUG you Don't?

WHAT???????

AND HERE'S ORIGINAL POST about Ahhhnold's "Macacca Moment" that the MSM seems to have put on the "back burner."

This statement by Ahhnold is enough to turn anyone against him it's so RACIST...and yet there were no CA posters who complained on the thread.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Link to Ahhhnold's MACACCA MOMENT!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2085271&mesg_id=2085271
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. THanks, I didn't respond on DU about Arnie's sexism
and racism because it failed to surprise me. Most of us know that he's racist and sexist. I just hope it can be used against Arnie and maybe, finally, Californians will recognize Arnie for who he is.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:27 PM
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28. We have war profiteering corporate news monopolies out here, too, you
know. They make it difficult to know what's real. We also have state Democratic Party leadership in the legislature that is perhaps even more collusive with the Bushites than the Dem Congressional leaders. So here's what happened...

Circa 2000: Republican Bill Jones is Sec of State, and he and his chief aide Alfie Charles lay the groundwork for corporate control of our elections--for instance, laws permitting TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in electronic voting systems--and promote a rash of county purchases of expensive, insecure and extremely insider hackable electronic voting systems, with Sequoia being one of the favored vendors (also Diebold and ES&S); all of this prep for the so-called "Help America Vote Act," coming down the Republican pipeline.

2002: The biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (now indicted or resigned in bribery scandals), abetted by Bilderberg 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd (Lieberman's counterpart in CT) and others, engineer the "Help America Vote Act," which appropriates nearly $4 billion to fast-track electronic voting systems all over the county. The bill fails to place any controls of the use of "trade secret," proprietary vote tabulation; fails to require a paper trail; encourages paperless voting (no recount or audit even possible); permits secret industry "testing of the machines); and fails to control lavish lobbying, "revolving door" employment and other corrupt practices.

Late 2002: Democrat Kevin Shelley is elected Sec of State on a reform platform. He begins investigating the security of electronic voting machines. Jones and Charles go to work for Sequoia--in an outstanding example of the corrupt practice of "revolving door" employment. Shelley bans "revolving door" employment in the Sec of State's office, and begins riding herd on county election officials, like Connie McCormack in Los Angeles, who have become advocates for Diebold and paperless voting.

Early 2003: Shelley is barely in office, when the Schwarzenegger/G. Schultz/Ken Lay/Enron cabal files their petition for Recall of Gov. Gray Davis (who was trying to get back the $9 billion that Enron stole from Calif.--a theft that changed Calif from a state with a huge surplus to one that was in the red). The Recall, the first big election to take place since the onset of the electronic voting coup, ends up with 125 candidates on the ballot, making distributive shifts of votes from major candidates to any number of minor candidates easy and undetectable. Time Magazine and Larry King additionally lard famous actor Schwarzenegger with millions of dollars worth of free publicity prior to Recall vote. The corporate news monopolies fail to report on the Schwarzenegger/Ken Lay meeting in May 2001, and completely ignore the real issue in the campaign--protecting Bush/Cheney's biggest donor, Ken Lay (and Davis doesn't make the matter clear either). Schwarzenegger, not surprisingly, "wins."

2004: Due to many problems of electronic voting machine failure, breakdowns during elections, and growing concerns about election security, and the secret programming--all evident in the Recall--Shelly has intensified his investigations of electronic voting. In late spring, six months before the 2004 presidential election, he sues Dieobld for their lies about the security of their machines, de-certifies the worst machines (the touchscreens), and demands to see Diebold source code. He also provides Californians with a paper ballot option at the polling place. Shelley is at this point the national leader on election integrity and is inspiring other election officials to look carefully at their purchase of these machines. But behind him is a snakepit of county election officials--led by Connie McCormack--who are seething about Shelley's reforms, particularly about their inability to pay off Diebold and ES&S with big electronic contracts for their crapass technology. (McCormack is best friends with--wines, dines and vacations with--Deborah Seiler, Diebold's chief salesperson in Calif.) Shelley has withheld the money appropriated by Tom Delay, Bob Ney & Co. for purchase of this equipment, pending investigations of its security and reliability. Aside from McCormack, most of the county officials opposed to Shelley are Republicans from rightwing counties. Just before the 2004 election, allegations of corruption against Shelley appear in the corporate news monopoly press. The allegations are vague and flimsy and seem to go away. The 2004 election occurs. Kerry wins the state by a 10% margin, statewide, but, oddly, Barbara Boxer wins back her Senate seat (against none other than Bill Jones) by a 20% margin, statewide. All of the difference between Kerry and Boxer's margin of victory is to be found in the Republican Counties (--a shave of Kerry votes that probably was done in the central electronic tabulators). Shelley, however, is now distracted, big time, by an effort to oust him from office.

2005: The national Democratic Party places an "Iron Curtain" over any talk of election fraud. Verboten. Taboo. In concert with the corporate news monopolies. In Calif, investigations against Kevin Shelley rage. One of the allegations is "misuse of HAVA funds." Turns out this had mostly to do with Shelley's withholding the funds (as was his right and duty) for purchase of Diebold touchscreens (which had been de-certified). Indeed, every allegation against Shelley turns out to be substanceless (he is later completely exonerated of any wrongdoing by the Calif Atty General). McCormack tells a state legislative committee that she wants to "bulldoze" the Sec of State's office (to get that money). The EAC (Bushite Feds in charge of pushing crapass electronic voting machines all over the country) threaten an investigation of Shelley. He is without any personal funds for his defense. (Tells you something about Shelley.) The new Democratic legislative leadership (the old guard had all retired, just the year before), with a 2 to 1 majority in the state legislature, abandons Shelley, fails to defend him, strongarms other Dems into silence, and Shelley, who cannot do his job under these besieged circumstances, and with no party support, resigns in Feb. 2004. Schwarzenegger promptly appoints Republican Diebold shill Bruce McPherson--with the full cooperation of the Dem Party leadership--who has now illegally re-certified Diebold touchscreens (the machines at issue in the recent CA-50 special election; election personnel took these hackable machines home overnight and kept them in insecure locations for days).

2006: The Calif legislator who introduced a impeachment bill against Bush and Cheney, recently, was interviewed by Randi Rhodes. (It was discovered by an Illinois legislator that a state legislature can introduce a bill of impeachment, as a privileged resolution, to Congress, and all Congressional business must stop while it is considered.) Randi asked this man, "Why aren't the Calif Democrats immediately passing this bill of impeachment and sending it to Congress? You have a 2 to 1 majority!" He answer was that some of the Democrats in the Calif legislature are trying to "work with" Schwarzenegger on several joint proposals, and don't want to ruffle Republican feathers.

Thus we have lost the integrity of our elections in California, at the hands of our own Party, as much as at the hands of Bushites. The message that went out across the land, in the "swift-boating" of Kevin Shelley, was that if you fight this election theft system, you will suffer the same fate. No doubt some state Dems failed to support him out of fear. Others are corrupt. All are now beholden to Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, and the corrupt county election officials who work with these corporations to keep our elections private and out of our control.

You ask: "Is it possible that CA Dems feel they can 'Mold' this AUSTRIAN DUAL CITIZEN to their Goals...?" It's the other way around. Schwarz and Bushites and Diebold are molding the Democratic leadership into "good Germans."

Whether they can mold the majority of Californians into "good Germans" I don't know. I don't think so. The rank and file Dems are up in arms, and I have reason to believe that moderate/liberal Republicans are not happy. (For one thing, this interesting '04 evidence that seems to point to a lot of Kerry votes being stolen in REPUBLICAN counties--no doubt to help pad Bush's popular majority. If what I suspect is true, Kerry also won the state--like Boxer--with something closer to a 20% margin, much of it Republican votes.)

I am simply mind-boggled by the Democratic Party leadership's silence--and apparent collusion--on Bushite corporate control of our elections. I have been a Democratic Party member, and loyal voter and supporter, for 40 years. The Kevin Shelley "swift-boating" is the ugliest thing I have ever seen in Calif politics. And there is no reason to believe anything but that the national party, at that time, went along with it. (I don't know that Dean would have.) We have a grave problem in our own party, folks. And nothing short of a massive, grass roots, citizen BOYCOTT of these election theft machines, by Absentee Ballot voting, can remedy it. Neither the Repubs nor the Dems are going to give us back our right to vote. We have to TAKE it back.

Bust the Machines--Vote Absentee! If enough people vote by Absentee Ballot (--and many already are--it's up to 50% in Los Angeles), we can FORCE reform NOW.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:39 PM
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30. Your reply explains alot...and we have similar problems
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 08:42 PM by KoKo01
in my state and others. Thanks for taking the time to do a detailed reply about this...it's a huge problem that activist Dems are seeing in their own state Everywhere..

Quote from you:

You ask: "Is it possible that CA Dems feel they can 'Mold' this AUSTRIAN DUAL CITIZEN to their Goals...?" It's the other way around. Schwarz and Bushites and Diebold are molding the Democratic leadership into "good Germans."

What you say in this post and your experience is what is worrying many of us Activists working for "awakening" in our own States as to what's really going on out there.

I understand what you say...and again, thanks for taking the time to detail your experience in your post.... It's not often we can get the "REALITY" of "on the ground" out there, today. That's kind of what I was trying to do in my post. And, it might have come off as too contentuous for folks to understand.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:56 PM
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42. Best synopsis of what happened that I have seen.
Thanks Peace Patriot.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:47 AM
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45. I would like to know who those CA dems were...
...

"He answer was that some of the Democrats in the Calif legislature are trying to "work with" Schwarzenegger on several joint proposals, and don't want to ruffle Republican feathers."

We need to expose them for the DINOs they are and get them the hell out of office.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:58 PM
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50. Then do something productive about it.
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 05:05 PM by bliss_eternal
Start calling your senate offices and asking questions. Since you want to see Angelides win...if you are so sincere.

Or do you just want to sit on an internet board kvetching about things that haven't even happened yet, and about mysterious polls that speak of the doom sure to befall all Democrats, because Angelides sucks soooo much,...

:eyes:
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:59 PM
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55. Wow. Getting a bit personal...and way off base.
I HAVE been doing something about it. A LOT. What have you done?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 01:43 PM
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61. What...exactly?
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 02:03 PM by bliss_eternal
If you could be so kind as to share? "A LOT" really says very little.

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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:52 AM
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46. Absentee votes are counted by machine as well...
They are fed through the scanners and so are just as easily subject to manipulation.

I was shocked when, in this last primary election, I asked for and was refused a paper ballot. Paper ballots had ALWAYS been available at my polling place here in Santa Clara County until this last election. I called and called the county's registrar of voters office to find out when and who dictated that paper ballots would no longer be given out, but always got dumped into voice mail. In spite of my many messages, I never received a phone call back.

This change--denying voters paper ballots at the polling locations--is an obvious consequence of McPherson's take-over of the Sec. of State's office.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:08 PM
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36. No, none of us like him.
A quick visit to the California forum would have cleared that up.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:09 PM
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38. I think a lot of straight males have a homoerotic response to Ahnold
I think that accounts for some of the vote, even among males who should know better.

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:43 AM
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44. I'm a bit perplexed on this too. Especially after Mel Gibson's episode.
Is it only wrong to say racist shit about jews?

Is this where we are in America, that a governor of the biggest blue state, can make racist comments about latinos and african americans, and there is NO outrage?

I don't get it. It's one HUGE double standard.

Arnold isn't just an action movie star. He's now a governor of the largest state in the union... It's pathetic he's been given a free pass on this...
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 12:13 PM
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48. We had no choice this time around
Cruz said the n-word during his campaign. I don't expect anything from the Repugs, but can't the Dems start coughing up some better candidates here? I feel like the party is abandoning us...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:27 PM
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54. Does Ahhhnold get a "Pass" because he's married to a KENNEDY?
What can explain that Californians still support this Austrian Bushbot?

:shrug:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:15 PM
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57. "you guys"
don't insult OUR intelligence here on du! :grr: "we" did NOT vote him in because WE knew about him from the beginning! :mad:

now the people who DID vote for him - well, they are kool-aid drinking, starstruck morans.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:04 PM
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64. Locking
This is flamebait.
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