Boycott all U want, call whoever U want it does'nt.....

[marano35]

matter. Don't you get it? The people your calling and Boycotting already realize that people with our views exist. They are going to air this shit anyway because they are hoping to get to all the people who get all their information from television, you know them, the people who keep it tuned to fox news because its the best news channel. You are appealing to the enemy. Its like asking a bear who has beaten you down with his claws and is sitting on you not to eat you. For these people the stakes are clear....keep their benefactors in power so they can get favorable legislation so they can amass more wealth at all cost, even rewriting history and destroying democracy....history and democracy are as much the enemy of GREED as those of us on here that oppose them. I agree that we have to fight back but this will not work...so think of something that will, look to history for an answer.

[ananda]

I know and it really..

.. PISSES ME OFF!

[EFerrari]

1. Bullshit. in/t

[autorank]

2. Wrong!!! Call, email, protest...don't let them do it!

The ABC executives who authorized this are the enemy and so is Scholastic, so what. Does that mean we retreat? No way. We need to make it extremely uncomfortable for them, no let up.

[marano35]

5. U are missing the point.....

Those are democratic solutions to a fascist problem. To quote Harvey Keitel from said movie, When asked, How do you fight a law and orderly war against terrorism ( replace terrorism with "a war against democracy") He said "you don't"

[EFerrari]

9. U miss the point. The only solution to this fascist problem IS

a democratic one. Get on board or get out of the way. We're coming through. :)

[jayctravis]

18. Strange phrasing in one of the sentences...

"the people who keep it tuned to fox news because its the best news channel"

First thread starter I've seen who used aol-speak.

[marano35]

19. I was being sarcastic....

about the people I know who watch Fox and nothing else because they say it the best news channel, most of them like it I think because it is the most entertaining news channel to them, of course they also like raslin(Wrestling), and Nascar, ulitimate fighting, and Jackass.

[EFerrari]

20. Don't worry about it. I got it, anyway. n/t

[mitchum]

28. No, the only solution to this fascist problem is...

well, DU rules forbid me from posting what that solution is.
But we all know what the only solution is. Fascists do not go willingly and they are not defeated by ideas.

[The Gunslinger]

3. It does matter

Ratings matter ans the sponsor's $$$$ matter. Thats all that matters. If a couple of million less people watch Lost or Monday night Football, it will matter. It just actually has to be done.

[dogday]

4. It is absolutely criminal

[imouttahere]

6. I understand completely what you are saying, and.....

to a certain extent, I agree. I liken it to the conservatives boycotting France and French products - as if they were buying French products in the first place! However....

The ONLY power we have left is boycotts/buycotts. And it is the one thing that will get their attention, because after all this is all about money, right? But it has to be full-scale, all-out. As many of us as possible must not watch MNF, must not support the sponsors, must not buy Disney products, must not go to Disneyworld or Disneyland.

[marano35]

7. what I am trying to say is...

that the number of votes that they are likely to gain in the upcoming elections by portraying democrats as idiots and cowards and themselves as the inventors of toughness and common sense will lead to more years of favorable legislation that will in turn lead to amassing way, way more wealth than a boycott by people with good common sense like us ( I am convinced that we are the minority with the smallest number in the country} would ever deprive them of to begin with... so it is a useless tactic... I will not watch them or buy their products cause it makes me feel better, but I am not kidding myself that it will in any way hurt them more than the airing of this shit will help them.

[EFerrari]

10. U R wrong. If we were the minority they wouldn't need to steal elections.

[marano35]

11. Good point but....

they have proven that they can steal elections with impunity, so how do you stop that?

[EFerrari]

13. Back up. They can steal elections because they own the media

and the vote vaporizing machines. We're fighting that in the courts. And it is a helluva fight.

But, this is different. This is about wallets that they can't control.

We're good. They're fucked. :evilgrin:

[imouttahere]

14. Give yourself/us more credit....it is never a useless tactic....

if for no other reason than what you said, it makes you feel better. You asked us to look to history for answers - well, there is the Montgomery Bus Boycott, for one. Of course, what we are talking about would have to be on a much larger scale, but what are the alternatives???

[DearAbby]

8. I know that it may not mean much to them

It means a hell of a lot to me. I will boycott Disney for this, on PRINCIPLE, because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO, in my little corner of the world.

They are not going to get one crying ass dime from me. It is a matter of principle...as old as I am, it may be for the rest of my life.

It's looking alot like a Disney-less Christmas here folks.

:nuke:

[bahrbearian]

12. If a real bear were attacking me I would curl up in a ball and play dead

But when the repugs attack I can fight back because I know they are cowards and bullies.. hit them in the nose and watch the cry.

[stillcool]

15. it is not a battle to win or lose...

it is a battle to fight. Any way you can. As an individual, there is precious little in my power to effect change. The most far out extreme measure one could think of, would not make a dent in any life other than my own. Conscious actions I take with my dollars, my remote, and all that I allow into my little reality is the way of exercising what power I do have. It is...fighting back...in the truest sense .

[marano35]

17. I totally agree....

I do the same thing. The people who are in power now are there for keeps, they own the means to stay there and this movie, the swiftboat attacks, the refusal to show Farenheit 9/11 on the public airwaves, the way both the last elections were stolen and the medias complicity in it are all examples of the fact that these people are not going anywhere and nothing is going to change until somebody forces them out.

[imouttahere]

16. Yet another way to look at it....

We are always being told that our vote counts, our one little vote, and if we don't vote we are betraying our democracy. How would boycotting be any different? When we buy a CD of our favorite musician/musical group, in a sense we are voting for them, if for no other reason than they will continue to make music for us to enjoy.

[CarlVK]

21. Right. Boycotts are rarely as impactive as people think,

If you don't believe me, ask t5he Southern Baptists who tried to boycott Disney over their "Gay Day" employee benefits.

Flopped right on its face, and Disney lost nary a perceptible penny.

[OzarkDem]

30. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Mr_Spock]

22. Calling all defeatists!!

Your attitude is how the Nazi's took hold in Germany.

That's a VERY harsh thing for me to say and I don't say it lightly.

NEVER. STOP. FIGHTING!

...no matter the odds...

[marano35]

23. I never said stop fighting....

I said COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL ACTUALLY WORK.

[Mr_Spock]

25. That's not acceptable

How many times in history did it seem like a particular event was "insignificant" at the time it occurred?

This is clearly an immensely wrong thing that ABC is doing. Not fighting this would encourage them to try something even more crazy.

[OzarkDem]

24. Welcome to DU!

What would they do at free republic?

[marano35]

26. There lies the problem....

When those idiots don't have to call or boycott to get the media to do what they want, cause they are already doing it in spades.

[OzarkDem]

29. Wrong

I have friends in the news media. They get tons of calls, nasty emails, and letters from the Freepers.

To tell Dems they shouldn't balance the effort from our side isn't good advice.

[bahrbearian]

27. I'm sure they would curl up and play dead.

[MichaelHarris]

31. yeah

and Rosa Parks accomplished nothing, neither did the lunch counter and bus botcotts. See I looked to history and saw a whole generation change the world, you need a book?

[karnac]

32. controversy/publicity alone will make up for boycott

Let's face it, the stink alone will boost ratings for abc astronomically. abc's rating have nowhere to go but up. There is always a market for anything. the suckers just have to be reminded about it. Call it market-based rubbernecking if you will.

think about it. think of *ONE* book/movie ,whicht didn't get pulled, that didn't do spectacularly because of the massive bad publicity.

what SHOULD have been done and still, to a certain extent, is pressuring/boycotting the *sponsors* that pay for it. That's the difference. the corporate sponsors of the "reagan" movie put the pressure themselves and the movie was pulled.

[Eric J in MN]

33. Another way to respond: Donate to the Democratic Party.

Howard Dean, chairman.