"'Path to 9/11'? Who gives a damn?" (a lateral view)

[JackRiddler]

A thought-provoking editorial from one David Kubiak.

QUOTE:

Many of us are in fact rather ironically enjoying the uproar as Democratic Party defenders of the 5-year cover-up are now finding their own ox gored. You will notice that most of the ruckus is not about 9/11 truth at all, but whose political mythology will prevail. Once the GOP Rove clones recognized how easily they and their corporate media pals could sell the 9/11 Commission fantasy to protect their ass and defend their assaults on international law and the Constitution, what on earth could stop them from using that reality-fabricating power offensively to destroy a few measly Democrats?

(snip)

9/11 Commission chairman Thomas Kean's coming out as a lie-abetting consultant for ABC's little travesty should help millions more Americans learn that he is hardly married to truth, integrity or the reality of history. Co-chairman Lee Hamilton sold his bona fides decades ago for a mess of pottage perks when he personally quashed and crippled the Iran-Contra inquiry that threatened Bush the First. Kean's affable, avuncular and ubiquitous media persona, however, inspired public confidence and helped sell the Commission's damaged goods to countless inattentive folks.

The blatant slanderous fictions of Path to 9/11 that Kean so blithely signed off on should thus awaken at least a few of the lulled to his willing role as a smooth script pimp for whoever's running (and writing) the show. In other words, Kean's continued shameless flacking for ABC's partisan smear is wonderful public education since it so clearly reprises his star marketing role for the Zelikow-crafted fiction of the 9/11 Commission Report. So I can only say, Go, Tom, Go! And Go ABC! Let the chips of shattered credibility fall where they may...

(snip)

Amid the relentless drench of 9/11 disinfo that pollutes this anniversary, what is one more media spigot spouting truth-toxic BS? How can apologists for one cynical fantasy complain when an edgier partisan faction decides to push the deceit a little further down the line? Can they really shout "Foul! This is the myth we agreed upon, no further embroidery is allowed!" Rationally or not, I guess they can because that's exactly what we're hearing, and the hypocrisy is rank enough to make the 9/11 dead roll over and the truth-aware throw up.

URL:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060909170030361

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Now what do you say to that?

For my part, I'm glad that Scholastic was moved to drop the child-brainwashing materials, but that's about it. And there is an irony here, because if you do get ABC to back down, you surely realize you will be paid back in spades... no "political" drama will ever be aired on a network again.

[whistle]

1. So, it is all bullshit, is that what you are suggesting?

[BootinUp]

2. People who claim the massive 9/11 commission report

is a coverup have yet to list one single error that can be shown as such with direct evidence.

I see lots of statements about how incomplete it is or some other such claim, but no actual findings of error in the whole 500+ page document.

[TitanicWreck]

3. The Feds have the black boxes, but wont admit it,,,,

The 'plane' that struck the Pentagon was caught on film by a camera at a highway toll booth- that film was confiscated by the feds and the footage never published. Why?
Eye wtness accounts at ground zero in NYC assert at least 1 black box was found- but was taken by the feds and the recordings never released. why?

[BootinUp]

4. Have you tried to find the answers

to any of your questions in the report? Somehow I doubt you have ever looked at it.

[JackRiddler]

5. Three of four WTC black boxes found...

According to two Ground Zero workers, firefighter and paramedic:
http://summeroftruth.org/groundzero.html

Later corroborated by an NTSB official:
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html

The 9/11 Commission Report:
The only statement on the status of the Ground Zero black boxes in the 9/11 Commission Report is buried in footnote 76 to Chapter 1, but it is definitive: "The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found..." As if to leave no doubt about what is meant - that not even a trace of the total of four cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorders from the two aircraft remained - the same sentence adds: "...and the CVR from American Flight 77 was badly burned and not recoverable."

[LiberalUprising]

6. So, do you believe

everything the govt or media tells you?

JFK
Oswalt
Warren Commission
RFK
MLK
Iran Contra

To name a few of our govts more high profile lies and deceptions

[BootinUp]

7. Is this what they call setting up a strawman?

What has that got to do with the fact the 9/11 report has not been shown to be in gross or even minor error? If I were to engage you on every one of your conspiracy theories at the same time we would never make much headway on any single one now would we.

[JackRiddler]

8. You set up the challenge...

"but no actual findings of error in the whole 500+ page document."

We met it. The definitive statement that no black boxes were found at WTC is more than a "minor" error.

Now it's your turn. For all its contradictions, errors, distortions and outright lies, the worst aspect of the report lies in its omissions.

Justify this:

"To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance..."
- The 9/11 Commission Report, p. 172

From this we derive...

Kean Commission, Rule 1:
Don't Follow the Money!

[BootinUp]

10. Back up a minute

the factual error you showed is what?

[JackRiddler]

11. See posts 2-6 n/t

[BootinUp]

15. How do you decide which

report to believe?

Frankly I don't find this to meet the challenge. If we allow that many government officials are hiding the discovery of the flight data recorders for the F175 and F11 at the WTC, the very next thing to ask is why would they do that? And there is no sensible answer to me.

Now why would these other fellows lie or lets say report something when they were not really sure what was found? Perhaps it lends some interest to the book that was written. Why aren't these guys speaking up they seem to be hiding from requests for more info.

The next issue is whether it is possible for the recorders to be destroyed (beyond recognition) in the crash or collapse. I am not expert enough to say with authority nor have I researched it, but again I have to ask why you suspect foul play?

I call those unsubstantiated reports that do not suggest a broad cover up. Nor is it proven that there is an error in the Commission Report.

[LiberalUprising]

9. No strawman here

Just looking at the history of our governments truth telling abilities.

Not a very good track record eh?

Don't really care what you believe, just a little weary of seeing the same crap posted by you on every 911 thread today.

Have a nice evening :-)

[BootinUp]

16. Try this

The track record of citizens believing the government investigations is not good. I would go along with that. If the JFK thing is bugging you, you might try looking at more recent efforts that recreated the shooting and showed it was a lone shooter after all.

[JackRiddler]

19. Well I guess that settles it...

A lone shooter... plus a mafia guy dying of cancer just happens to throw himself at the lone gunman and is willing to kill him live on national TV two days later... nothing suspicious in that.

In all these years, I think you're the first poster to actually make me consider looking up how to use the "eye roll" function.

[BootinUp]

20. Physical evidence shows it was

I said nothing on the subject of Ruby nor the motivations of Ruby and Oswald, simply that Kennedy was shot by a lone shooter, there is no evidence of another gun being fired that day at Kennedy.

[LiberalUprising]

21. Here ya go Jack

:eyes:

and I will add :banghead:

[sweetheart]

12. - R. MOTT 2001

nt

[OzarkDem]

13. Bring it on

I'm not afraid of payback.

[JackRiddler]

14. Wouldn't you prefer television time?

[Imagevision]

17. ABC used Kean because Hamilton totally disagreed with movie direction

[JackRiddler]

18. Yes but he didn't disagree with the larger sham -

The 9/11 Commission Report itself. Not as nakedly wrong, just a lot more importantly-wrong.

[JackRiddler]

22. 9/11 relatives who did their research reject 9/11 com. report

http://www.justicefor911.org

PRESS ADVISORY

Kleinberg/Van Auken Review of the 9/11 Report: Most Family Steering Committee Questions Unanswered or Inadequately Addressed by 9/11 Commission

Originally released in October of 2004 as part of the Justice for 9/11 Complaint filed with NY Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, their report is to be re-released at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. at 11AM on September 11th by the producers of 9/11: Press for Truth. <http://www.911pressfortruth.com>

This review of the 9/11 Report was conducted by Family Steering Committee Members Lorie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg late in 2004. They are two of the four "Jersey Girls" and are featured in the recently released documentary, 9/11: Press for Truth where they discuss the fact that approximately 70% of questions posed by the 12 member 9/11 Family Steering Committee were not answered or adequately addressed by the 9/11 Commission in its final report.

(--file online - .5 megs is at
http://justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php

This is part of the Appendices to the Justice for 9/11 Petition/Complaint. It's been re-formatted for clarity and wider release and distribution on the occasion of the 5th memorial to the victims of September 11th.

Kyle F. Hence
http://www.justicefor911.org
http://www.911citizenswatch.org
401-935-7715

[orwell]

23. Spot on...

...thanks for the post.

[JackRiddler]

24. wish it made a flying feather of difference...

;-)=