***** Official PT911 Thread 2 ******

[seabeyond]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2101506&mesg_id=2101506

pt911 thread 1

[Connie_Corleone]

1. Close up of boogers in Ramzi's nose.

[karlrschneider]

2. I can't even imagine how you managed to notice that.

:D :D :D

[seabeyond]

3. no way.... now that is just reminding me too much of bush n/t

[rosesaylavee]

118. Those with DU journals won't want to miss

this thread tonight on DU -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2102609&mesg_id=2103536

[Roland99]

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

[Catchawave]

4. Thanks sea.....

:loveya: I just can't take this anymore, carry on :hi:

[seabeyond]

6. lol lol lol i think about all have turned it off. we will have to

wait for the stronger stomach of bloggers to fill us in on all th sh*t

[Diane R]

5. Sorry. Can't comment. Not watching. n/t

[Olney Blue]

7. I'm still with you, seabeyond. I don't know why.

Bathroom break? No, another disclaimer that is is fiction.

[seabeyond]

9. i havent watched a minute of it. trying to get the jest of the movie

from you braver souls. but seeming to me like everyone is dropping off like flies (whatever that means)

[Olney Blue]

17. I'm not sure I'll be able to stay awake to the end!

[hvn_nbr_2]

36. "Jest of the movie"

Was that a deliberate or accidental typo? I think it's pretty funny, based on comments so far from people with enough stomach to watch.

[tavalon]

114. I think the word you were looking for is gist, however

perhaps not. The jest is an appropriate word for the joke of movie this one is turning out to be.

[LSK]

8. they just flashed a disclaimer

Stating that it is a docudrama and some scenes are fictional for dramatic and narrative purposes.

[seabeyond]

11. ooooh in hte middle of the show. that is interesting n/t

[rodeodance]

15. yes, i noticed that. odd

[C_U_L8R]

25. dramatic? they give themselves too much credit

they should stick to mouseketeer clubs and cheesy theme parks

[jab105]

10. Im assuming that was a cut scene...

Harvey Keitel there with the (was it the Sandy Berger character...I just got back from grocery shopping)...
then it put..."This is a dramatization" on the screen for about 30 seconds, now we are in a terrorist camp...umm, ok...

[seabeyond]

13. so what, the editing was where they could be sued throw that in

that is funny

[SoCalDem]

18. "INSERT LAWSUIT HERE"

:)

[seabeyond]

22. you are so cute socal n/t

[gumby]

12. My two favorite characters:

The Jeepnee and the color Green. Not just any green, it's my favorite; that bright, 'parrot' green. I noticed it several times. Shirts, 'conference rooms (whatever)' and other places.

This "movie" was brought to you by the color green (when it wasn't brought to you by brown, dusty colors).

[Tatiana]

34. "Parrot green?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[gumby]

112. Someone else noticed the 'drinks'

were the same color.

Drink up y'all!

[StraightDope]

94. Don't forget the letter "Q" and the number "6".

:rofl:

[Crunchy Frog]

14. Thank you for starting this.

It continues to be unwatchable.

[seabeyond]

23. are you watching the unwatchable. man that must be hard to watch

not hearing much about the movie though

not that i am bitchin, personally i dont have what it takes to watch the unwatchable

[Crunchy Frog]

62. Kind of off and on.

I've got it in the background and am trying to follow it, while looking at more interesting things online.

[snowbear]

16. So what's the word on the flick so far? ...Does it still suck?

From what I can tell (it's not on here yet)

DU'ers think it's a shoddy, pathetic production.

Freepers are crying and pissing in their Depends disposables because it doesn't bash Clinton enough.

Is that still about it?

[Olney Blue]

19. Indeed. It sucks.

[AnnieBW]

26. Thanks!

Thanks for taking one for the team and suffering through this dreck.

[Connie_Corleone]

27. They put too much in it. It's got everything but the bathroom sink.

What makes it worse is that more than half the scenes are fiction. I'm being generous.

[Olney Blue]

33. They clearly had the resources to do a real service for our history....

what a pity.

[LSK]

20. well its really really slow and boring

But it has so far showed the Clinton admin getting the guys for the 93 bombing.

[MoonRiver]

24. My husband's watching (I'm watching the CBS documentary).

He says it's incredibly anti-Muslim, and BAD, as in bad acting and incredibly amateurish filming. He said he can't believe ABC would produce something this shoddy.

[JHB]

32. Imagine an inexperienced director given a project far beyond...

...his talent or experience.

And if you can't imagine it, just turn to ABC right now.

[VP505]

57. "inexperienced director "

given a project far beyond...his talent or experience." Just like the Bu$h Administration! }(

[bilgewaterbill]

109. Starts in 20 min. her. nt

[TahitiNut]

53. Well. after 100 minutes, here's what I've "learned" from this piece of

... cinematic feces.

You can identify a 'terrorist' by the sheen of sweat all over his unwashed, unshaven face along with eyes that furtively look left and right. These are obviously people who hate us for our freedom to use soap, water, shampoo, antiperspirant, flushable commodes, and Gillette blades - not to mention laundromats, dry cleaners, and steam irons. All of the aforementioned items are unavailable to 'terrorists' along with stuffed furniture, vacuum cleaners, and any kind of cleaning products. The only Muslims who bathe and wear clean clothes are in the Pakistani military.

One of the reasons the 'terrorists' don't bathe and wear clean clothes is because, as this fecal feature points out, they've killed all the women wherever they've been - except for when they're in strip bars, sloshing down alcohol like all terrorists do, apparently. (Maybe that's why they have those "hangover sweats"??)

The Americans working outside Washington are heroes and the only thing stopping them from wiping out all terrorists all over the world are the bureaucrats who can't seem to stop partying and going to dinner and getting blow jobs long enough to give approval for the "good guys" to arrest all the bad guys. Despite the best cellular technology - without signal drop out ANYWHERE - the good guys are always being put on hold.

The most important death in the first WTC bombing was the young, pretty, personable, pregnant woman (freshly bathed and wearing clean clothes, of course) working in the booth behind the glass that became shrapnel.


It seems to me that we could wipe out terrorism if we merely exported a few billion dollars worth of bathrooms and laundromats.

:puke:

[lonestarnot]

123. Hey your journal is very cool.

Soap and water should wipe em out egh? Serious?

[TahitiNut]

128. Thanks. Re: 'soap and water' ... well, that's the message of PT911.

All of the subliminal elements of the movie are uniformly designed to appeal to an extreme conservative perspective, imho. Jingoistic, racist, and fascist. In a sense, it's more comedic than the old westerns where the 'bad gus' wore black hats and needed to bathe and the 'good guys' wore white hats and looked like they visit the spa daily. Like the Church's old Morality Plays.

There isn't even the slightest hint that these people have any legitimate reason to feel anger. There is NOTHING about corporate predation, the oppression of vast majorities of 'hoi polloi' for the benefit of an elite (neocolonial Quislings) or any of the social or economic issues that have festered for many decades. The caricatures are obscenely biased.

[lonestarnot]

129. Agree. If they could just extend the "somber moments of silence"

we would all be much better off and chimpie bushitler can't walk in boots. Heh heh heh.

[Tatiana]

21. Caught a bit of it earlier

Is it my TV or is the lighting really weird? Like too "dark" or not enough contrast?

Sheesh, I can't believe ABC is airing this. What a waste of primetime viewing. If I were a shareholder, I'd be thinking of pressing my own lawsuit.

[snowbear]

28. LOL Tatiana!

Glad I'm not a ABC shareholder too!

[gumby]

29. The "colors" of this movie have been one of the main characteristics.

At times it has actually been very 'dark.' (hehehe)

[NYC]

122. I also thought it was dark.

I have a black and white television. I took it out of the closet for this movie. :)

I turned the knob to make it as light as possible, but it was still too dark.

[mom cat]

30. I watched this instead:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083&q=press+for+truth

[classof56]

102. Stunning! n/t

[originalpckelly]

117. I just got done watching it. That is the saddest thing I have ever seen.

Ever. You don't have to be a nutcase in order to think that something isn't right with the official story of 9/11.

[mom cat]

130. I think that you have to be a nutcase to accept the official story.

I will take off my tin foil hat the day that I here an iron clar alternative to thermite-thermate to explain the large pools of molten metal at the bases of all three WTC buildings for ewwks following the demolition of the buildings. Controlled demolitions is the only plausible explanation.

[Coexist]

31. Laugh Break! The funny you missed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2102530&mesg_id=2102530

[snowbear]

35. Looks like the DU'ers watching the Family Guy are getting the better deal!

[rodeodance]

38. "this administration sees this war as 'law and order' PERIOD!

[rodeodance]

40. well, they did it ---"i never had relations with that women" from Big Dog

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

45. It's making me nauseuos

The camera sweeps and fast cutting are so strangely jerky that it's practically unwatchable. This movie was about as effectively put together as the Iraq war!

[Oddly Stevenson]

69. I think you're right.

They don't seem to have an exit strategy.

[tavalon]

115. This movie was about as effectively put together as the Iraq war!

Best.Line.Ever.

Love your user name too!

[LSK]

37. and the slander begins

[seabeyond]

39. oh.... are we there yet n/t

[LSK]

42. no, they didnt cut the BS scenes with Berger

[Connie_Corleone]

51. The only thing they took out was him "hanging up" on CIA.

[rodeodance]

44. they really are portraying the missing of obl all as Clinton adm. fault.

[LSK]

48. that facts are that Clinton ordered Bin Ladins camp bombed

http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.01

[jab105]

43. Am going to have to change the channel soon...this is ALL make believe!!

THis is crazy...these are REAL PEOPLE...can you just randomly make up anything you want about real people??

[tavalon]

116. Sure!

And then those real people can sue you into the poorhouse. We can call that The Path to Bankruptcy.

[Crunchy Frog]

52. Yup.

I hope they get their asses sued off. Fucking bastards.

At least we know that most people will have already turned it off as it's unwatchable.

[Olney Blue]

41. They show Clinton with "I did not have sex" statement, with John

Neill and other FBI watching- said that Clinton said it was OK to kill Bin Laden as long as he didn't give the order.
They said it was "pathetic."

[seabeyond]

50. i read commission report today on that part. just wrong

[LSK]

55. pages 115- 120 of the 9/11 Commission report (paperback)

[seabeyond]

56. commission report

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing8/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-03-24.htm

"Senior NSC staff members told us they believed the President's intent was clear: He wanted bin Ladin dead. On successive occasions, President Clinton issued authorities instructing the CIA to use its proxies to capture or assault bin Ladin and his lieutenants in operations in which they might be killed. The instructions, except in one defined contingency, were to capture bin Ladin if possible. "


Senior legal advisers in the Clinton administration agreed that, under the law of armed conflict, killing a person who posed an imminent threat to the United States was an act of self-defense, not an assassination. As former National Security Adviser Berger explained, "If we wanted to kill bin Ladin with cruise missiles, why would we not want to kill him with covert action?" Clarke's recollection is the same.

But if the policymakers believed their intent was clear, every CIA official interviewed on this topic by the Commission, from DCI Tenet to the official who actually briefed the agents in the field, told us they heard a different message.

"What the United States would let the military do is quite different," Tenet said, "from the rules that govern covert action by the CIA." CIA senior managers, operators and lawyers uniformly said that they read the relevant authorities signed by President Clinton as instructing them to try to capture bin Ladin, except in the defined contingency.

They believed that the only acceptable context for killing bin Ladin was a credible capture operation. Quote: "We always talked about how much easier it would have been to kill him," end of quote, a former chief of the bin Ladin station said.

Working-level CIA officers said they were frustrated by what they saw as the policy restraints of having to instruct their assets to mount a capture operation. When Northern Alliance leader Massoud was briefed on the carefully-worded instructions for him, the briefer recalls that Massoud laughed and said, quote, "You Americans are crazy. You guys never change." End of quote.


"To further cloud the picture, two senior CIA officers told us they would have been morally and practically opposed to getting CIA into what might look like an assassination. One of them, a former Counterterrorism Center chief, said that he would have refused an order to directly kill bin Ladin.

Where NSC staff and CIA officials agree is that no one at CIA, including Tenet and Pavitt, ever complained to the White House that the authorities were restrictive or unclear. Berger told us, quote, "If there was ever any confusion, it was never conveyed to me or the President by the DCI or anybody else." End of quote. "


"Deputy Director for Operations Pavitt told commission staff that doing stuff on the margins was not the way to get this job done. If the U.S. government was serious about eliminating the al Qaeda threat, it required robust offensive engagement across the entire U.S. government.

DCI Tenet also understood the CIA's limitations. He told staff that the CIA's odds of success in Afghanistan before 9/11 were between 10 and 20 percent. This was not because the CIA lacked the capabilities to attack the target, he said, but because the mission was extremely challenging.

Covert action was not a silver bullet, but it was important to engage proxies and to build various capabilities so that, if an opportunity presented itself, the CIA could act on it. "You could get really lucky on any given day," Tenet said. "

[JHB]

46. Whoomp: there it is:

digging at "treating a war as a law and order problem",

Clintons giving wishy-washy, "pathetic" clearances...

[gumby]

93. Yes, this is one of the neo-cons recurrent propaganda points.

The neo-cons are 'real men' who want to fight evil.

'Liberals' are wussies who want to use the legal system and the Constitution.

I refer (or defer) to Lakoff. The writer and producer of this "film" are playing out the Strict Father version of reality.

Don't forget that the Bushites have declared their inherent right to declare reality.

[roody]

119. 1984 is now.

ABC is the ministry of truth.

[JimDandy]

47. I put together a list of ABC.com web site sponsors to boycott, instead

of watching the show. Please keep that thread kicked, so we can kick THEM where it hurts --in the wallet!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2102557

Thanks!

[Connie_Corleone]

49. SUEEEEEEE!!!

That whole f*cking scene was entirely fiction!
They made Berger look like an idiot!! TIME TO SUE!

[rocktivity]

54. Oh, SUE!

I thought you were hog-calling!

:headbang:
rocknation

[JHB]

59. Who's this "Patricia" who's saying "we had him"

I've lost track of who's who.

But I'm betting THAT scene wasn't in the 911 report.

[complain jane]

64. LOL

What dramatic effect! Wooo!

[Crunchy Frog]

58. Who's that drama queen going on about how "we had him"?

Is she meant to be a real person or some sort of composite?

This shit is definitely slanderous.

[complain jane]

61. She's losing her marbles whoever she is.

[LSK]

65. they never head a team there about to "nab" him

Fucking liars.

[alittlelark]

68. They will say the whole thing is a composite.... a 'Docudrama'

.... I doubt the defence will work in court. This reeks of pre-meditated calculated SLANDER.

[Crunchy Frog]

78. She must be playing the "Docudrama Queen".

:rofl:

[likesmountains 52]

60. ok, I just took my first peek...the camera's so jerky..it's like a bad

slide show...no smooth transition at all between frames. It is actually nauseating..I could not even listen to the dialog because the camera work was so awful..

[Tatiana]

63. Oh look! Eeeevil brown people!

:eyes:

[minkyboodle]

66. cue the bongos..

seriously I mean who the fuck made this piece of shit
with a straight face... (rhetorical question)

[LSK]

67. No mention of the bombing on August 20, 1998

Of Bin Ladins camps.

[Crunchy Frog]

70. Fabricated scene with Madeliene Albright.

Speculating about WMDs in a meeting. Talking about everything they can't do.

[RockaFowler]

71. The woman playing Madeline Albright is AWFUL

She looks terrible and she is so harsh. I know Madeline Albright was never like that.

[DainBramaged]

72. Why are any of you watching? I'm sure the reports will be accurate.

[LSK]

73. I like to do my own research and make up my own mind

To be told what to think is what freepers do.

[DainBramaged]

81. (sigh) ok, what you think is ok with me.

NOT, we don't need to watch to make up our minds. Just like we don't watch Bush and still have made up our minds no matter what he spews. If you don't believe what has been reported prior to the showing, maybe you don't believe it's not Clinton's fault.

[LSK]

83. F9/11

Freepers constantly trashed that movie but never watched it. I will not be like them.

It was also reported widely that ABC was re-editing the movie, so maybe what was reported was cut (or not as I have SEEN).

Thats pretty low to claim that I think its Clintons fault.

[seabeyond]

76. i am not watching. i am listening to the reports, wink n/t

[JHB]

87. Two reasons...

1) severe, insane masochism

2) somebody has to know for sure what lies they're telling

[Olney Blue]

74. The attack on Afghanistan and Sudan by Clinton.

Showing the protests, burning of U.S. flags.

[LSK]

79. I thought they were not going to cover that

[Olney Blue]

84. They are making Albright look horrid.

[C_U_L8R]

75. hey... do you suppose this might be a comedy

y'know like ... so bad it's good ???

or is this just so bad that it sucks cheese

[Tatiana]

77. "Tell President Clinton to come to Afghanistan and fight like a warrior."

Sheesh... laid it on a *little* thick there, did we?

[vickitulsa]

80. First interesting thing happened here in Tulsa...

The local ABC station just ran a crawl -- with an annoying bleeping noise to get your attention like a tornado alert -- and in bright blue against the drab movie colors, saying, "KTUL-TV does not agree with the views and politics of this ABC production" or something like that. They ran it complete with continuous bleeping till the message went by about five or six times!

Seems the local affiliate at least doesn't want anyone thinking they actually AGREED with the propaganda....

Interesting that they chose the moments just after the infamous scenes where the supposed-Berger-character squirmed and wouldn't give the order to kill OBL. I don't think they cut ANY of the "incriminating" lines all the controversy pre-airing were about.

Mostly the film is boring dreck, but the game is terrific! Eli just caught 'em up to within two points of Indy and brother Peyton's lead with a nice TD pass.

TD receiver gave the ball to a military-clad dude in the crowd, and hugged him. John Madden, whom I normally like a lot, said, "That's something we need to see more of in the NFL."

Say WHAT???

Can't I watch ANYTHING without being pelted with catapulted propaganda??

:GROAN:

Oh, and I read in an article earlier today that ABC was going to run their "detailed disclaimer" FOUR TIMES throughout the airing of the miniseries.

I think I know why they didn't bother to edit out the scenes that were causing all the hype and controversy, though. Among other obvious reasons, it was those scenes that they knew would draw INTEREST among viewers! And they knew they'd NEED all the tricks they could come up with to help to keep people watching this boring crap.

[seabeyond]

86. interesting what your local did though.... n.t

[Olney Blue]

92. Our local affiliate here in Washington D.C. had a large disclaimer across

the top of the screen as the show was starting.

[AX10]

98. Lawsuit protection.

[rosesaylavee]

120. At least your local did that.

Who knows what pressure the station managers are under to run this crap.

[vickitulsa]

126. I thought the same thing.

Undoubtedly even if there was not a great deal of pressure applied to local affiliates, the furor about the upcoming movie only heated up near to the air-date, so locals had little recourse -- or at least none that were very optimal for their own needs. What would they air instead? They didn't even have any commercials scheduled for the time period!

Also I'm certain that whatever "commercial" (read political/fundie) income that local affiliates would receive from airing the fraudumovie would have been denied them had they not run the thing.

So the pressures, subtle and otherwise, on them to expose their viewers to it were surely strong. I don't hold it against them so much because of the crawl warning they ran and how they ran it. I'm sure many affiliate stations across the nation will get an earful anyway from plenty of angry people. I'm satisfied with that -- for now.

[Crunchy Frog]

82. Looks like there's some major animal abuse going on in this scene.

Torturing horsed for dramatic effect, it looks like.

[gumby]

89. Remember the tortured puppies vid?

Yeah, those Bad Guy tortured puppies to see if their chemical weapons worked.

Don't get me started.....

[gumby]

85. There is a SKUNK outside my house right now. Really smelly.

Coincidence?

Disclaimer: I am not making this up.

[seabeyond]

88. Coincidence?............... i think not

eery music filters in......

lol lol

take care of your skunk will ya

[gumby]

For sure can't let the dog out.

Don't want to deal with that!

[countryjake]

113. That should go over in this other topic, LOL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2101553&mesg_id=2101553

Laughing at your disclaimer line!

[Olney Blue]

90. "Clinton is Satan"

They must be reading the Free Republic.

[jseankil]

91. Did Toyota pay for ad placement?

Quite a few clear shots of Toyota's name throughout the show I've noticed.

[seabeyond]

95. anyone drinking a coke,wiping their ass with charmin..... maybe

that is how they got their advertisement dollar, lol lol

[aquart]

101. Yes. Product placement is an important revenue stream.

[McCamy Taylor]

124. The Taliban specifically requested Toyota trucks from Bin Laden.

After that product placement scene early on, I was ready to barf, so that was when I left. When a truck company will shell out bucks for a recommendation from the Taliban, you know that the capitalists have gone too far.

[aquart]

125. LOL! So true!

[Olney Blue]

96. "Why is it the women are always the alert ones?"

Harvey's line after a female U.S. border guard nailed the guy with explosives at the Canadian border near end of 1999.

[seabeyond]

97. GONNA START OFFICIAL THREAD THREE

then i am off to bed


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2103042
thread three

[Olney Blue]

99. Does anyone recognize the restaurant where Neill et al. keep partying?

[Canuckistanian]

108. It was all shot in Toronto, Canada

I think there's a listing of all the sites on IMDB...

[gumby]

100. Psychedelics anyone?

This is just one big Acid Freakout.

[Canuckistanian]

103. Sounds like all this movie needs

is a couple of plastic UFOs dangling from strings....

[Olney Blue]

104. To be continued......

[JHB]

105. They've skipped over the investigation & trial of the embassy bombers

They've left out an entire chapter here, the (much derided) police work involved in investigating and prosecuting the West African embassy bombers.

[jseankil]

106. And what happen to the report that Bush got about Bin Laden? /nm

nm

[4dsc]

107. Where the google bomb??

EOM

[tinfoilinfor2005]

110. Maybe this is one of those shows where we are meant to participate...

You know, like snapping a rubber whenever they talk about Clinton's BJ, and wearing a white lab coat covered with fake blood whenever condi rice appears. "Dammit-Janet!"

[Sparkly]

111. Just tuned in -- did I miss the whole thing??

Sounds like it was just plain bad -- as in stupid, ill-conceived and badly executed (like so many things BushCo does).

Memo to Harvey Keitel: FIRE YOUR AGENT!

[NYC]

121. I watched the entire thing (so to speak).

I had the television on the entire time. What did I see? Who knows? I remember the goats. They were the best part of the movie. I assume that was Afghanistan.

It jumped all over the place, and I didn't even try to pay attention. Ramsey Youssif, Ramsey Youssif, Ramsey Youssif. That is what I heard the most.

I don't even know how it ended. Furthermore, I don't care. I doubt it had much value as propaganda. It was unwatchable.

[complain jane]

127. They should have put $40m in a pile and lit a match.

It was a flop as propaganda, a flop as entertainment, a flop as a "docudrama", it sucked.