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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:33 PM
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****** Official PT911 Thread 3 *******
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 09:36 PM by seabeyond
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:36 PM
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1. Is is over ? I am not watching. n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:37 PM
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2. i dont think so. jsut hit a hundred, so starting another thread n/t
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:37 PM
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3. I watched a much more appropriate memorial...
Syrianna. Just ended about ten minutes ago.

Wow.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:40 PM
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4. just posted another disclaimer
Is it ending early?
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:42 PM
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8. Yea, apparently they cut out about 20 minutes
umm, yea...so apparently 9/11 was all the "Clintonistas" fault...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:44 PM
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15. they didnt cut the Berger scene
I wonder what they did cut?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:45 PM
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18. need the new zealand and possibly britian to find out n/t
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:53 PM
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33. They cut the scene where *bush practices kung fu with Neo
"Come on- stop trying to hit me and HIT ME!"
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:56 PM
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37. ROFL!!!!
:rofl:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:42 PM
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10. are we done already. doesnt even seem like i felt much of the
movie in these two long threads, lol lol. wow.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:41 PM
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5. i watched cbs about the firemen..and it was excellent!!
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 09:42 PM by flyarm
why would anyone watch the abc made up bullshit when they could have watched the real thing that was respectful and was based on fact and was the film by the two french young men and it was filmed in real time..and it was respectful to the firemen fighting to preserve life..who gave up their lives doing heroic jobs...

cbs was extrememly respectful of 9/11..

too bad people would watch a bullshit lie of a movie over the cbs real life 9/11 footage..

god bless all that died that day..and all who fought for real lives...

not a dumb fuck conservative hollywood piece of garbage.

fly
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:43 PM
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14. you say it flyarm..... i am tellin ya
i sure do you enjoy you. but.... i didnt watch, i was more interested in listening to the others. i didnt want to watch any of the 9/11 stuff this year.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:48 PM
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23. The CBS documentary is mesmerizing.
Impossible to look away.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:00 PM
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47. I watched parts of it so that I could know what to expect when
arguing with RWers. Unless you saw it, you wouldn't know just how awful it really was. We're talking the actually movie, not just RW talking points and the parts made up from whole cloth. I mean the dialog, the acting. ABC would have been better off to leave what I saw on the cutting room floor. Not worth whatever favor they got from the * admin.

Tomorrow night will be my LAST time watching ABC until they put out a documentary on 9/11 like what I've updated my signature line to be.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 02:51 AM
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68. why would you argue with rw'ers about totally lies and bullshit
i do not have to watch lies to dismiss it..
just call it what it is..who would even want to or have to argue about lies..shut anyone down just call it what is it a great big pile of manure..

its horse shit..call it what it is..you do not have to watch it to know that and ..tell a rw'er if they arte foolish to watch manure tell them where the nearest barn is!

fuck watching total garbage..

you become the very reason abc and this government gets away with propaganda..you are there audience!

you gave them their wish .,.you watched it!

fly
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:55 PM
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66. I bought the documentary on DVD
Part of the proceeds went to a down firefighters and law enforcement fund.

And yes, it was gripping.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:41 PM
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6. To reiterate,
Seems to me that the writer and producer are Acid Freaks gone Freeper.

That explains the whole thing.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:44 PM
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16. i had a couple on mixed board say it was well made,
one republican one leans that way,.... the one dem watching said bad.... like yawl.

the critics last couple days agree with yawl
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:59 PM
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45. It was hard to watch. I didn't like the moving camera work and after
a couple if intense scenes, the drums in the scenes got old and hard to listen to.

I give it a C overall as a movie goes, and I'm being kind. The propaganda was horseshit all the way around.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 03:11 AM
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69. I need to say this about the camera work:
Quite a few people here have criticized the "jumpy" movements of handheld cameras and the quickness of switching from scene to scene that made this movie so hard to sit through at a very basic physical level. Several have indicated (I presume seriously) that they were getting migraines or being made dizzy from watching the film.

I have to say emphatically that I was quite literally and to a surprising degree getting nauseated from the ridiculous camera work of this movie!

And I wasn't even watching the movie exclusively, so my exposure wasn't as great as others who were. Rather, I was primarily watching the ball game and switching to the movie whenever there were obvious breaks or slow times in the game to do so. Also it was logical that I should skip all the intro material to the game and instead get a good and close look at that part of the movie instead.

Well into both, I was clicking back and forth between them as I do a great many programs whenever I encounter scheduling conflicts. Btw, I don't have -- or want -- Tivo or a DVR and don't use my VCR for live recording at home anymore; there's just too much material out there to try to see it all. I've learned from much experience that I can get a really good overview and even a lot of detailed info by watching more than one show at once in this manner.

So it wasn't my own switching between programs that caused my nausea, I can assure you -- it was the damned aggravating camera work used for this idiotic movie that literally had my stomach beginning to turn. Not a metaphor for the way the movie was offputting from the standpoint of good common sense and historical accuracy, but a dismaying and very real actual physical "gonna be sick" problem it is I was having!

Now, any movie which employs such disjointed methods and jerky camera techniques that it causes honest-to-god nausea in some of its viewers and headaches and confusion in a great many more is just POORLY DONE, no matter how you slice it!

I finally almost gave up on catching any of the ABC movie since it was clearly right- and Bush-leaning in the extreme anyway, as we all had heard beforehand. It wasn't worth suffering through the terrible production values, bad acting and just plain bad moviemaking even for the sake of having SEEN it so I could better discuss it with others.

I also tuned in tonight only a few minutes of the French team's true life experiences captured live on film that day because I had seen it at least twice before in previous years. Like others here have done, I highly recommend it to everyone!

But no movie as ridiculous as the ABC-Disney one tonight is worth the misery of actually puking over it! What odious claptrap these people have put out....

However, that said, I wanted to add one more thing that might be worth mentioning.

During the overlong barrage of preview images that flashed by quickly in the ABC movie's intro, I caught several which seemed to indicate that at least some of the blame for the terror attacks of 9/11 was going to be shown to fall squarely on the Bush administration. Well, if not blame for the attacks themselves, at least blame for not preventing them since so much was known before they occurred. I noted especially one of those preview scene clips in which Dan Lauria's character was excitedly carrying on about the flood of red-lighted, urgent and rapidly emergent bits of intelligence input that were "lighting up the board" not long before the attacks.

Thus I'm inclined to be a bit more than fair and wonder, could it possibly be that it's not as much the Clinton administration as the Chimpy one that may be shown to be derelict in its duty to protect the American people on 9/11??

Naaaahh, surely not! The movie's makers clearly went out of their way to pile blame on Clinton and mock him gratuitously. I can't imagine they'd be honest and fair -- and bipartisan -- and heap a bunch of blame also on the Chimp in the second half of the movie....


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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:41 PM
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7. Just jumped ahead to one of the airplanes on 9/11.
-To Be Continued- "Stay tuned to scenes from..."

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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:42 PM
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9. It just ended with one of the flights taking off on Sept 11
Showed the hijackers preparing knives, duct tape, plastic ties on the plane. then, to be continued...
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:43 PM
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11. Commercials.
A Cheereos commercial and an ad for an "MXZ saw".

Can we take it that these are sponsors? Boycott?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:46 PM
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20. ahhhhh i like cheerios. cant mess with my cereal.
i could eat it breakfast lunch adn dinner. and i have in the past,lol
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:43 PM
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12. They've skipped over the investigation & trial of the embassy bombers
They've left out an entire chapter here, the (much derided) police work involved in investigating and prosecuting the West African embassy bombers.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:54 PM
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34. You, are once again, commenting about the value (questionable at times)
of our Justice branch of government. This is a very IMPORTANT issue.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:43 PM
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13. over 20 minutes early??? and a commercial for World Wildlife Fund
and then a brief red cross comm.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:12 AM
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70. Wouldn't it be fairly safe to assume that, since the movie was cut short
of its planned length tonight, the advertisements which aired afterwards in particular mustn't be associated with sponsorship of the movie's propaganda and therefore those organizations shouldn't be condemned or boycotted?

Even I who have so little to donate have given to the WWF in the past when I was employed. And much as the Red Cross is criticized by many (perhaps fairly), that organization helped me and my ex tremendously when our house burned down around us in 1993. Also, since these are nonprofits and not commercial interests which could have afforded relatively expensive ad segments in primetime on this Sunday evening, it makes sense to me that they were likely last-minute PSAs or "filler" to throw into the gap left by the editing of 20 minutes or so of the movie.

And I'm with you, Sea, on the Cheerios! It's one of the few name-brand products I still buy because the generic substitute versions of Cheerios just don't measure up in quality. ;)

I just want to be sure that if we decide a boycott of companies or products is called for with respect to this absurd movie, we be sure to get the right culprits! Clearly ABC and Disney are guilty, and I have no problem with denying THEM my business. And if my local ABC affiliate had not added an intrusive and very strongly worded disclaimer by way of a crawl during the movie, I'd be perfectly happy to avoid their products as well.

I did a bit of research earlier today on the writer of the screenplay, Cyrus Nowrasteh, and it seems he's a Persian-American born in Boulder, CO, raised in Madison, WI, who has a decent resume including two literary awards in recent years (for "10,000 Black Men Named George" and "The Day Reagan Was Shot") from the PEN Center USA West Literary Awards, whatever that is. His early work in TV was on the "Falconcrest" episodic series and his interests and efforts appear to have a broad diversity.

Have yet to do research on others involved in the production we suffered through tonight, but in the end it may turn out to be a waste of valuable time. I'm going to wait and see how the wingnuts and the American public reacts, and take it from there. The damn movie was just so bad in so many respects, I can't imagine it will have significant impact on anyone at this point.

I confess I was very disappointed that Harve Keitel had the lead role in this travesty. He has done some fine work in the past -- my favorite far and away was in the movie The Piano with Holly Hunter, Sam Neill, and Anna Paquin, where Harve played the native-blooded "primitive" complete with handsomely tattooed face who won Holly's heart with his understanding of her pain and her passion for her piano. But it was great to see that at least the actor made some very public statements in the past few days about being disturbed (in retrospect?) about some of the lines his character was given to say and other aspects of the movie as well.

Frankly, I'll be glad when this whole dust-up over this worthless POS film is over and done with. I'm so surprised that the product turned out to be so inferior -- and hopefully ineffective as a result. Surely the reviews post-airing will serve this one up on a platter as the tripe it is!


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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:45 PM
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17. Scenes from "tomorrow night's uninterrupted conclusion".
"An unprecedented television event."

I'll say. :eyes:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:49 PM
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25. I seem to recall Schindler's List being shown completely unedited/uncut
and uninterrupted.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:45 PM
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19. How about giving Bill Clinton 20 minutes now
Like that would happen....
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:47 PM
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22. Special Nightline. More blaming of Clinton admin.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:47 PM
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21. Starting Nightline now.
I haven't watched it since Ted Koppel quit. Looks like it may be a continuation of PT911.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:49 PM
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26. Running the claim that Clinton had multiple opportunities
to get bin Laden, and failed.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:49 PM
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27. wow n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:50 PM
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29. they let Clarke speak
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:52 PM
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32. He blamed Tenet
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:56 PM
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38. Said Tenet "pulled the plug" on multiple opportunities..
Said Clinton had tasked two US subs to sit off the coast near Pakistan for months awaiting word that OBL was a clear target.

Sounds to me like Clinton did everything within reason. It isn't as if he could pick up a gun and go there himself to hunt for him.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:58 PM
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42. George "Medal of Freedom" Tenet
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:01 PM
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48. from what i have read no one EVER sited bin laden on ground
just sayin
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:10 PM
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55. BINGO! Tenet! BINGO! Tenet!

Hello? Is anybody home?

As soon as I heard that it was Tenet that pulled the plug, it all fit.
He was in their pocket the whole time.

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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:49 PM
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24. In my timezone they just surrounded Bin Laden
looks like they are going through with the scene where the Clinton administration stops the capture of Bin Laden. They are fucking crooks and they do not deserve to be on the air.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:49 PM
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28. Well, I didn't want to condemn until I'd ACTUALLY watched...
...the squalid thing. Too many DU'ers have put freepers to shame in their rush to condemn something artistic they've never seen the past few days as regards this movie.

Having actually seen it, though, I can now pronounce it HORSESHIT GOP PROPAGANDA, from beginning to end.

That's all.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:51 PM
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31. Same here...now watching Nightline...
n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:51 PM
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30. Will withhold judgement until the same time tomorrow, but the
entire purpose appears to be aimed at generating hate for Moslems and the Clinton administration.

It would be terrific if you guys could run some threads that track what Allbright, Berger, Clarke, Clinton or lawyers / ACLU have to say.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:55 PM
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35. SCOREBOARD!!! They totally cut out the final scene from
tonight's part 1! I just turned it on 5 minutes ago to see the Freeper Money $hot, and they're actually doing a REAL documentary segment instead! They knew they were competely up shit creek without a paddle, and they (ABC execs) would spend the rest of their lives living under bridges once the lawsuits had run their course...
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:56 PM
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39. What was the original "money shot"? n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:57 PM
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40. what was supposed to be shown?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:57 PM
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41. Which fake scene was that?
eom
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:58 PM
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43. The only thing I saw cut out was Berger hanging up on CIA.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:02 PM
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50. That was the scene I was referring to! I wasn't going to watch
at all, but I thought I'd turn it on 15 minutes from the end of tonight's portion to see how blatantly Berger is smeared - how much ammo would he have in his suit against ABC. But they had already (I think) cut that scene completely and went to a Nightline fill-in segment...
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:04 PM
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52. It wasn't cut. That scene happened about hour and a half into it.
They only cut out Berger hanging up on them. They still left the rest of the scene of him looking like an idiot and not giving the go ahead to get Bin Laden.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:16 PM
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58. I stand corrected. It still sounds like enough to make it "Exhibit A",
introduced by Berger's lawyer, in his defamation suit against ABC.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:55 PM
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36. Can we take another nite of PT911?
I didn't watch it tonite--and have even less reason to watch tomorrow. I actually ironed some clothes instead of watching it.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 09:58 PM
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44. On a lighter note: of all the 90's music to choose from
is it just me or did they not find the most annoying songs to include???? Geez....just makes a bad movie even worse!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:00 PM
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46. Wow. Nightline just ended after only 15 minutes.
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 10:05 PM by Crunchy Frog
Is that the normal show length now? I guess it would be congruent with the typical American attention span. :shrug:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:02 PM
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49. no, something was cut from the movie
And Nightline was filler.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:03 PM
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51. well, they have to break for local news
see the usual timeslot for wether they continue.
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:06 PM
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53. Is there a fairly concise document
describing the lies in this movie. My husband watched (I didn't) and he swallowed it whole. I need something in writing about each falsehood. My thanks. I'm sure there's such a thing out there, I just don't know where to begin to look.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:13 PM
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56. that is so sad, and i am so tired. there is a lot. maybe by tomorrow
it will all be laid out for you. if not i will come back in here nad post the shit, tons of shit for you to give to your sad sad hubby

hey,..... 2000 mine voted bush. 2004 kerry. after katrina he walked away from republican party to never look back. he is liking the feel of the liberal guy.

there is always hope
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:19 PM
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59. I'm sure that will come later.
Remember that they only just finished doing quickie edits right before the thing aired.

An excellent resource right now is Amerciablog. http://americablog.blogspot.com/ They have a number of separate blogs discussing individual falsehoods.

Probably shouldn't have let hubby watch unsupervised.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:27 PM
Original message
try this thread
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:48 PM
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65. Somebody posted this a while back as a rebuttal
The Path to 9/11

ABC's The Path to 9/11 is not a documentary. Rather, it is a work of fiction, loosely based on the events of September 11, 2001. It's important to note that, as fiction, the series includes scenes which either never occurred or which happened in a very different fashion than depicted. Following is some information and a link that will provide the accurate details of a particular event which was misrepresented in the series:

The first night of Path to 9/11 has a dramatic scene where former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger refuses to give the order to the CIA to take out bin Laden — even though CIA agents, along with the Northern Alliance, have his house surrounded.

But former White House official Richard Clarke tells what really happened:

1. Contrary to the movie, no US military or CIA personnel were on the ground in Afghanistan and saw bin Laden.
2. Contrary to the movie, the head of the Northern Alliance, Masood, was nowhere near the alleged bin Ladin camp and did not see UBL.
3. Contrary to the movie, the CIA Director actually said that he could not recommend a strike on the camp because the information was single sourced and we would have no way to know if bin Laden was in the target area by the time a cruise missile hit it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc /

And, for a fuller perspective of the many relevant events preceding 9/11, the following article is a must-read
(reprinted, here, with the author's permission):

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_083006J.shtml

Clinton, 9/11 and the Facts By William Rivers Pitt t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Wednesday 30 August 2006

The fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks is less than two weeks away, but the avalanche has already begun. Oliver Stone's film "World Trade Center" has been advertised in all corners and is being screened across the nation. CNN has announced that it intends, on the 11th, to rebroadcast all of the coverage of the attacks from 8:30 a.m. until midnight. If you don't have cable, they say, you can watch it for free on the CNN web site.

ABC intends to mark the occasion in far more grand a fashion. Starting September 10th and ending September 11th, the network will show a miniseries titled "The Path to
9/11." According to reports from early screenings, the writer/producer of the miniseries, Cyrus Nowrasteh, has crafted a television polemic intended to blame the entire event on President Clinton.

Nowrasteh, an outspoken conservative of Persian descent whose family fled Iran after the fall of the Shah, spoke last year at the Liberty Film Festival, described by its founders as Hollywood's first conservative film festival. Govindini Murty, actress, writer, and co-director of the Liberty Film Festival, wrote a review of "The Path to 9/11" for the right-wing online news page FrontPageMag.com.

In the review, Murty states, "'The Path to 9/11' is one of the best, most intelligent, most pro-American miniseries I've ever seen on TV, and conservatives should support it and promote it as vigorously as possible. This is the first Hollywood production I've seen that honestly depicts how the Clinton administration repeatedly bungled the capture of Osama bin Laden."

FrontPageMag, it should be noted, held a symposium back in May to argue that the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which were never found despite being the main reason for invasion, were actually spirited out of Iraq by Russia on the eve of the
2003 attack. So it goes.

Leaving aside the wretched truth that the far right is once again using September 11 to score political points, the facts regarding the still-lingering effort to blame the Clinton administration for the attacks must be brought to the fore. Nowrasteh, at several points in his miniseries, rolls out a number of oft-debunked allegations that Clinton allowed Osama bin Laden to remain alive and free before the attacks.

Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism in the period 1999-2001, responded to these allegations in an article for the Washington Times in
2003. "Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda," wrote Cressy. "As President Bush well knows, bin Laden was and remains very good at staying hidden. The current administration faces many of the same challenges. Confusing the American people with misinformation and distortions will not generate the support we need to come together as a nation and defeat our terrorist enemies."

Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden's network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton's 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:

Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million

Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million

Passenger Profiling: $10 million

Screener Training: $5.3 million

Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million

Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4 million

Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million

Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million

Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million

Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million

Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million

Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million

Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million

Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million

Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million

Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million

Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million

Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million

Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million

Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million

Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million

Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million The Clinton administration poured more than a billion dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a reorganization of the intelligence community itself. Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings" were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure.

Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went completely unreported by the media, which was far more concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that everything the administration said was contrived fakery.

In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and terrorism. His
1996 omnibus terror bill, which included many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted after September
11, was withered almost to the point of uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the threats Clinton spoke of.

Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them "totalitarian."

In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its criminal executives in Houston, were using those same terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board of Directors.

Just before departing office, Clinton managed to make a deal with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development to have some twenty nations close tax havens used by al-Qaeda. His term ended before the deal was sealed, and the incoming Bush administration acted immediately to destroy the agreement.

According to Time magazine, in an article entitled "Banking on Secrecy" published in October of 2001, Bush economic advisors Larry Lindsey and R. Glenn Hubbard were urged by think tanks like the Center for Freedom and Prosperity to opt out of the coalition Clinton had formed. The conservative Heritage Foundation lobbied Bush's Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill, to do the same.

In the end, the lobbyists got what they wanted, and the Bush administration pulled out of the plan. The Time article stated, "Without the world's financial superpower, the biggest effort in years to rid the world's financial system of dirty money was short-circuited."

ABC's miniseries skates right over this, and likewise refuses to address the myriad ways in which the Bush administration failed completely to defend this nation from attack. All the efforts put forth by the Clinton administration were cast aside when Bush took office, simply because they wanted nothing to do with the outgoing government. Condoleezza Rice, by her own admission, did not even bother to look at the massive compendium of al-Qaeda data compiled by Sandy Berger until the morning of September 11.

After the attacks, virtually every member of the Bush administration put forth the talking point that, "No one could have anticipated anyone using airplanes as bombs." The facts tell a different story.

In 1993, a $150,000 study was undertaken by the Pentagon to investigate the possibility of airplanes being used as bombs. A draft document of this was circulated throughout the Pentagon, the Justice Department, and to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In 1994, a disgruntled Federal Express employee invaded the cockpit of a DC10 with the intention of crashing it into a company building. Again in 1994, a pilot crashed a small airplane into a tree on the White House grounds, narrowly missing the building itself. Also in 1994, an Air France flight was hijacked by members of a terrorist organization called the Armed Islamic Group, who intended to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower.

The 1993 Pentagon report was followed up in September
1999 by a report titled "The Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism." This report was prepared for the American intelligence community by the Federal Research Division, an adjunct of the Library of Congress. The report stated, "Suicide bombers belonging to Al Qaida's martyrdom battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House."

Ramzi Yousef was one of the planners and participants in the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Yousef's right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, was captured and interrogated in 1995. During that interrogation, Murad described a detailed plot to hijack airplanes and use them as weapons of terrorism. The primary plan was to commandeer eleven commercial planes and blow them up over the Pacific Ocean. The secondary plan was to hijack several planes, which would be flown into CIA headquarters, the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the White House and a variety of other targets.

Ramzi Yousef eluded capture until his final apprehension in Pakistan. During his 1997 trial, the plot described by Murad resurfaced. FBI agents testified in the Yousef trial that, "The plan targeted not only the CIA, but other U.S. government buildings in Washington, including the Pentagon."

Abdul Hakim Murad described plans to use hijacked commercial airplanes as weapons in 1995. Ramzi Yousef's trial further exposed the existence of these plans in 1997. Two reports prepared by the American government, one from 1993 and another from 1999, further detailed again the existence and danger of these plots. The Federal Express employee's hijacking attempt in 1994, the attempted airplane attack on the White House in 1994, and the hijacking of the Air France flight in 1994 by terrorists intending to fly the plane into the Eiffel Tower provided a glaring underscore to the data.

This data served to underscore the efforts made by the Clinton administration to combat international terrorism and attacks against the United States. Unfortunately, the data and the work that inspired it was not followed up on.

A mission statement from the internal FBI Strategic Plan, dated 5/8/98, describes the FBI's Tier One priority as 'counterterrorism.' The FBI, under the Clinton administration, was making counterterrorism its highest priority. The official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General Janet Reno to department heads, dated 4/6/2000, detailed how counterterrorism was her top priority for the Department of Justice. In the second paragraph, she states, "In the near term as well as the future, cybercrime and counterterrorism are going to be the most challenging threats in the criminal justice area. Nowhere is the need for an up-to-date human and technical infrastructure more critical."

Contrast this with the official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General John Ashcroft, dated 5/10/2001. Out of seven strategic goals described, not one mentions counterterrorism. An internal draft of the Department of Justice's plans to revamp the official DoJ Strategic Plan, dated 8/9/2001, describes Ashcroft's new priorities. The areas Ashcroft wished to focus on were highlighted in yellow. Specifically highlighted by Ashcroft were domestic violent crime and drug trafficking prevention. Item 1.3, entitled "Combat terrorist activities by developing maximum intelligence and investigative capability," was not highlighted.

There is the internal FBI budget request for 2003 to the Department of Justice, dated late August 2001. This was not the FBI's total budget request, but was instead restricted only to the areas where the FBI specifically requested increases over the previous year's budget. In this request, the FBI specifically asked for, among other things, 54 translators to transcribe the backlog of intelligence gathered, 248 counterterrorism agents and support staff, and
200 professional intelligence researchers. The FBI had repeatedly stated that it had a serious backlog of intelligence data it has gathered, but could not process the data because it did not have the staff to analyze or translate it into usable information. Again, this was August 2001.

The official Department of Justice budget request from Attorney General Ashcroft to OMB Director Mitch Daniels is dated September 10, 2001. This document specifically highlights only the programs slated for above-baseline increases or below-baseline cuts. Ashcroft outlined the programs he was trying to cut. Specifically, Ashcroft was planning to ignore the FBI's specific requests for more translators, counterintelligence agents and researchers. It additionally shows Ashcroft was trying to cut funding for counterterrorism efforts, grants and other homeland defense programs before the 9/11 attacks.

Along with these new priorities, which demoted terrorism significantly, there were the warnings delivered to the Bush administration about potential attacks against the United States. Newspapers in Germany, France, Russia and London reported in the months before September 11th a blizzard of warnings delivered to the Bush administration from a number of allies.

The German intelligence service, BND, warned American and Israeli agencies that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack important American targets. Egypt warned of a similar plot to use airplanes to attack Bush during the G-8 summit in Genoa in June of 2001. This warning was taken so seriously that anti-aircraft missiles were deployed around Columbus Airport in Italy.

In August of 2001, Russian intelligence services notified the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots had been trained for suicide missions, and Putin himself confirmed that this warning was delivered "in the strongest possible terms," specifically regarding threats to airports and government buildings.

In that same month, the Israeli security agency Mossad issued a warning to both the FBI and the CIA that up to 200 bin Laden followers were planning a major assault on America, aimed at vulnerable targets. The Los Angeles Times later confirmed via unnamed US officials that the Mossad warnings had been received.

On August 6, 2001, George W. Bush received his Presidential Daily Briefing. The briefing described active plots to attack the United States by Osama bin Laden. The word "hijacking" appeared in that briefing. Bush reacted to this warning by continuing with his month-long vacation in Texas.

Richard Clarke, former Director of Counter-Terrorism for the National Security Council, has worked on the terrorist threat for the Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. administrations, amassing a peerless resume in the field. He became a central figure in the commission investigating the September 11 attacks. Clarke has laid bare an ugly truth: The administration of George W. Bush did not consider terrorism or the threat of al-Qaeda to be a priority prior to the attacks.

Clarke, along with former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, who as a member of the National Security Council was privy to military strategy meetings, indicated that the Bush administration was obsessed with an invasion of Iraq from the day it arrived in Washington. This obsession continued even after the attacks, despite the fact that the entire intelligence community flatly declared that Iraq was not involved.

Five years later, the questions surrounding what exactly happened on September 11, and why they were allowed to happen, remain unsettled. A recent national poll conducted by Scripps Howard/Ohio University states that more than one third of Americans believe that Bush's government either actively assisted in the 9/11 attacks, or allowed them to happen so as to create a justification for war in the Middle East.

The New York Post, reporting on this poll, stated, "Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Seventy percent of people who give credence to these theories also say they've become angrier with the federal government than they used to be."

"Thirty-six percent of respondents overall," continued the Post, "said it is 'very likely' or 'somewhat likely' that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them 'because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East.' 'One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right,' said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 Commission). His Congressionally-appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al-Qaeda five years ago. 'A lot of people I've encountered believe the U.S. government was involved," Hamilton said. 'Many say the government planned the whole thing.'"

The passage of time will, in all likelihood, finally expose the truth behind exactly what happened on September
11, and why. Until the moment of final revelation comes, however, we are all best served by a systematic analysis of the facts surrounding that dark day. Efforts such as this ABC miniseries to use 9/11 as a partisan club should be shunned, and hard data should be highlighted instead.

Back in 2003, CBS was forced to pull its miniseries "The Reagans," after conservative groups lambasted the network for crossing the line into advocacy against the Reagan administration. A similar effort should perhaps be undertaken to compel ABC to pull "The Path to 9/11." At no time should a conservative producer with an anti-Clinton axe to grind be allowed to use public airwaves to broadcast a rank distortion of the truth, especially on the anniversary of the worst day in our history.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:07 PM
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54. Give Richard Clark a 10 second response to the movie
It could only be 10 seconds.

Interviewer: How many times did the Bush Administration meet on the warnings about Osama Bin Laden attacking the United States?

Clark: None

Interviewer: Thanks.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:15 PM
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57. what 'rubbish'- makes the Northern Alliance seem like the only really
'noble' people in the film-

Such stereotyping, worse than a spaghetti western.....

To be quite honest, I really RESPECT the decision NOT to kill women, children, and innocents, if indeed the Clinton Administration chose not to act unless the risk was lessened. If only * had this kind of integrity. Because an 'enemy' chooses to do things that are what 'we' would consider reprehensible, it doesn't make it ok for us to compromise our beliefs and moral integrity with the claim 'yeah, but they did it first'-

How many civilian Afghani, and Iraqi victims blood is on our hands these five years after 9/11??

Thousands upon thousands, with no end in sight-

And we act like our losses are so grievous and un-forgettable.- Our victims may not make docudramas that seek to glorify those we have knowingly murdered calling them 'collateral damage'- or have million dollar victim funds- they may never even be counted or acknowledged by the world, but the lives of each person dead as a result of our response to 9/11 were every bit as precious to those who knew them as mother, son, child or parent- And those who died here on 9/11 are not vilified, honored, or redeemed by the further carnage which we have brought about-

This whole media blitz had got me so frickin depressed- Good people die daily, for no 'good' reason- we need to quit glorifying tragedy- we need to stop picking our scabs, and re-opening wounds
.....

what a screwed up nation we are
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:27 PM
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60. has anyone made an error/falsehood list yet?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:35 PM
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62.  I only watched it. For that, you'd need to record it and go through...
...scene-by-scene, no recording made.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:29 PM
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61. End of Part 1
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 10:30 PM by sunnystarr
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:40 PM
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63. when is sellout tom kean from the 9/11 commission chair going to
do his little "we're no safer now" crap -- i thought that was his bargain with the devil to act as consultant to this "film"

they said they would give him air time after the movie. is that only tomorrow night? tomorrow the movie looks like it is only two hours and then primetime comes on. and bushies little "and i approved this ad" will be inserted one hour into tomorrow night.

where's the bla bla from kean???

trading with the devil only puts you into hell gov. kean. (asshole!)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:42 PM
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64. Dang, was that tonight? I missed it!
I kid.
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4nic8em Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:06 PM
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67. The one redeeming
benefit of this movie is that it made me long for the never ending 24/7 coverage of Jon Benet Ramsey and that dipshit from Thailand.
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