You know what they're doing don't you? (Path to 9/11)

[snappyturtle]

Put all the 'correctness' issues (in Path to 9/11) aside, not easy to do, but do it.

They're setting us up to eagerly encourage our congress critters to support *'s bill--the one that would still allow torture even the the SCOTUS has decided differently....and to back the presidente in any and all ways giving him power to get the info he needs to fight the war on terra.

There were a couple scenes the characters, the good guys, wanted to beat the crap out of their captives to get what info they wanted. In another scene they lamented not being able to seize a lap top. Then there was the security issue with the one 9/11 terrorist who didn't have a photo ID......guess they were trying to reassure us why we need to jump through hoops at the airport. Also thought they were making a point about the circuitous path the gov't HAS to go through to get approval to proceed in "managing" terrorists....this, to validate whatever methods they come up with.

IMHO Path to 9/11 is laying out the reasons, propaganda,why they should be able to shred our civil rights....with our permission, of course! :sarcasm:

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. They will likely attack us again, regardless of any torture laws.

[aquart]

2. Yup. Torture good. Civil rights bad.

What's almost funny is how much they're going to hate the results.

[snappyturtle]

3. We can only hope someone will be held to account.....

oh, silly me,that doesn't happen in this administration....I hope the results are disastrous.

[kentuck]

4. Very perceptive, snappy turtle..

and also, when they showed the terrorists getting the knives out of their carry-on luggage, we are supposed to agree with all the airport security crap too, I guess? And you had to think of those "terrorists" they caught over in Britain when they showed them mixing up the liquids in the planes bathroom?

[snappyturtle]

6. I think with the knives thing "they" are proving to us that

prohibiting knives, box cutters, knitting needles, scissors etc. has been done for our good....the terrorists have definitely won.....we have lost more of our civil liberties since 9-11 because of this event(and the has been spun into spying on us, etc.).....and that loss certainly hasn't turned up any great number of terrorists we are remined of daily who supposedly exist in our country. You know that if it had availed us of any they would be paraded through the news ad nauseum.If the administration were really concerned with our security they would secure our borders and keep the bad guys out. Instead we chase their illusions. IMHO

[AndyTiedye]

5. Screenplay by Karl Rove

[treestar]

7. Why do people think torture even works?

And the people involved are suicidal, too!

Torture is a waste of time, it's the method of incompetent cops. Competent ones go out and look, investigate, to get information.

The very premise is ridiculous, since the tortured person will tell you what you want to hear, not the truth. This is why it went out with other medieval practices.

[EFerrari]

8. Torture "works" as a method of intimidation. That is what it's

really for -- to intimidate the people who dread it, not to get information.

[EFerrari]

9. I saw that. It was a love song to Gitmo and Abu Graib.

Really distrubing.

[snappyturtle]

10. I think there is a grave danger laced into PT911......

it's planting policies into the heads of the many sheeple in this country that it is OK to do whatever is necessary to achieve the desired results.....really disturbing? YES!

[EFerrari]

11. I was struck by the sadism most of all. The obvious attempt to

engender hatred in the audience in the portrayal of the jihadis. Not to mention, the idealization of the FBI and CIA -- I'm surprised they didn't put halos around the agents' heads.

[snappyturtle]

12. Sadly,I think that's

just exactly what was wanted. As much as I believe what you say here about engendering hatred of the jihadis, I can't feel it. You may find this article interesting. It recently appeared in the Guardian. It's about the history (an oversight) of the ME with Britain and the U.S. It's no wonder they hate us.You have to scroll down through the article to get to this history part. Paragraph starts with,"The really true 'Path to 9/11' should start at least as far back as 1953..........." (The link doesn't appear to be working. I'll type out a couple of paragraphs for you.)

The really true 'Path to 9/11' should start at least as far back as 1953 when the CIA overthrew the nationalist government of Iran. Or perhaps 1918, when an earlier crusader for "world democracy", Woodrow Wilson, first started carving up the world into protectorates and fiefdoms of western powers. Or even further back, the year that the British Government backed the extremist Muslim fanatic house of Saud to take Arabia away from the Turks.

It would go through the CIA backed overthrow of the government of Iraq. It would go through 30 years of CIA organized liquidation, terror and murder of all secular opposition to US and European domination of the Middle East and north Africa. It would go through 40 years of US arming, funding and support of Israel. It would go through the funding and organization of extreme fundamentalist Islamic schools in Pakistan by the CIA as part of its plan fomenting discontent in Islamic Soviet republics.

It would certainly go through US/CIA support for radical Muslims in their war to overthrow the secular, pro-women government supported by the Soviets in Afghanistan, and to expel Soviet forces. It would go through financial (if not open political) support for the Taliban in the wake of that war. It would just as certainly go through the massive deployment of US military force in Saudi Arabia and the continued support for that brutal and repressive regime.

I have been out of school for many years. It seems I have lots to learn that was not taught in my schooling...........these things need to be taught for better understanding of others, don't you think?

Edit: Oops! left out part of the address;;;see if this works:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jeremy_pikser/2006/09/the_real_road_to_911.html

[EFerrari]

13. I couldn't agree more. The United States bears much of the

responsibility for creating it's own enemies - when those people actually ARE our enemies and not just a straw man for the kleptocracy that is in power. 1953 sounds right to me although in all honesty, I'm not very familiar with our history in the Middle East prior to that.