"May this country forgive you." Sorry, Keith, but it ain't happening...

[derby378]

For this atrocity, there can be no forgiveness - only justice. And for the current occupant of the White House, the path to justice ends in a solitary cell next to the one occupied by Moussaoui.

My wife just pointed out that in order for forgiveness to take place, you must have sincere contrition on the part of the offender. George W. Bush will never apologize, never seek forgiveness, never admit to any real wrongdoing.

For that matter, neither did Adolf Hitler.

[C_U_L8R]

1. "MAY"

odds are pretty slim though

[ShortnFiery]

6. I hope it's slim even though it is totally just - IF the economy tanks

and we are forced into a Depression, there will be justice for these evil men and women of this Criminal Administration. However, far too many good people would suffer.

Dear Leader and his ghoulish crones will receive TRUE and Everlasting Justice from Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates in the form of a one way ticket to Hell. ;)

[AndyA]

2. Forgiveness from America is not forthcoming for Mr. Bush

I couldn't get over how in his speech tonight, Bush spoke of the innocent men, women, and children who died on 9/11.

And the fact that he said nothing about the men and women he sent over to battle without a plan for winning, in an illegal war, and without proper equipment was just as obvious.

No forgiveness.

Investigate.

Prosecute.

Incarcerate.

THEN - and only then - can the healing begin.

[MadMaddie]

3. Ooops...."neither did Adolf Hitler" no truer words written....

* will be hiding in his bunker after November....I wonder if history will repeat itself? Just askin....

[MoonRiver]

4. Yep, that would be the bottom line: sincere contriteness.

And we all know how likely that scenario is for Dim Son. :eyes:

[babylonsister]

5. Love it, derby378. Turn that beat around! Il Dunce likes to

equate Iraq to WWII, turnabout is fair play (except when Durbin mentioned it :eyes: )

There can be no forgiveness. I just wish our country could hear what was said tonight.

[Rabrrrrrr]

7. Absolute, pure, unadulterated BULLSHIT and HOGWASH

in order for forgiveness to take place, you must have sincere contrition on the part of the offender

Pure bullshit.

Under that condition, it isn't forgiveness, it's vengeance.

Forgiveness is FREE - utterly and totally free, without regard for the "feelings" or "contrition" of the one needing forgiveness - or it is WORTHLESS, VALUELESS, and UTTERLY CONTEMPTIBLE.

That said, I have yet, and probably will never forgive Shrubbie and his evil cabal. I forgave the terrorists on the way home, because I can at least understand why they did the evil they did. I don't agree with it, but I can at least understand it. Shrubbie &co. I will never understand - to allow one's own people, after one has taken a vow to protect them, to be murdered, to allow property to be destroyed, to allow a country to suffer under fear and anxiety, all for the financial gain of himself and his friends is, for me, at least now, an unforgivable offense. I leave it in God's hands, because God is able to forgive, until such time as I can catch up.

[derby378]

9. Sorry, but I disagree

Forgiveness is often used by religious fundamentalists as a club: "You have to forgive the rapist who violated you because the Bible commands you to..." and shit like that. If that rapist isn't the least bit repentant, attempting to offer forgiveness to that rapist is like throwing pearls on a turd farm.

So, in that case, forgiveness cannot be offered to Bush. Not now. And probably not ever. We'll leave that responsibility to God. We, on the other hand, have our children to worry about.

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. You are mistaking forgiveness for acceptance/affirmation

Entirely different things. Granted, you are correct - the fundies have a horrible history of forgiveness, never offering it when they should, forcing it when they shouldn't - but forgivess that is not freely given is merely vengeance, and is not real forgiveness. True forgiveness exists only when the forgiver requires no action from the one being forgiven.

Forgiveness is a powerful took in healing - it DOES help for the person who was raped to forgive the raper. The fundies would have us believe that means that the rapee should then continue to live with the raper (assumning it was her husband) or some other bullshit; that's entirely false. The raped can forgive and STILL abide by a rule of never allowing the asshole near her again.

But until people get over this awful, heinous, and detrimental idea that forgiveness can come only with vengeance, or retribution, or some other "price", we'll never evolve as a people, and we are no better than the republicans, the fundies, the terrorists, or anyone else who is bad.

[Raffi Ella]

8. "For this atrocity, there can be no forgiveness - only justice"

AMEN.

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