The Bush administration - the biggest patsies in history

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

Do they not understand that they were used by Iran to do something they (Iran) had been unable to do for years - get rid of their biggest enemy - Saddam Hussein? Saddam and Iran were checks on each other. Bush has de-stabilized the MidEast. No, we are not "safer". The world is far more dangerous because of the greed driven ideologues who govern us.

[whistle]

1. Dimson does it again

[The Deacon]

2. Hmmm...

You don't suppose Ahmed Chalabi (with a home in Tehran) and his Iraqi National Congress would have had anything to do with that, do you? Naw, surely those geniuses at PNAC wouldn't have been fooled by an obvious ploy like that!

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

4. They were played as total suckers by Chalabi and the INC. nt

[Liberal Dose]

6. Pah! Chalabi? The little cowpoke doesn't even know him. The photos and

video of Chalabi sitting next to Pickles at the SOTU were faked. Vast left wing conspiracy. :D

[Richard Steele]

3. They aren't 'patsies', they're PROFITEERS.

This new world war is working out VERY well for all of them.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

5. I did call them greed driven ideologues

But, I wonder if they will every realize how massively they blew everything. History will view them as the stooges of Iran.

[Richard Steele]

8. I don't think they care what OUR history calls them.

They only 'blew it' for _US_, the little people.

Millions, hundreds of millions could die from the crap
they've started, and it will have NO effect upon
their lavish, private-compound lifestyles.

They live in their own private world, with it's own
private history. And that history is VERY different
from ours. THEIR history will regard them as rather
successful businessmen, pillars of their private
community.

[Greyhound]

7. Exactly.

I'm still trying to think of a way for anyone to fix this mess as it seems the horse is already out of the barn.

Seven and a half trillion dollars flowed into their pockets from 2000 to 2001. Then, they got another huge pile of cash with their "tax cuts". Since then, they have profited by another half to three quarters of a trillion from the war profiteering, and all of this mechanism has been legislated so it's not going to be easy to undo, even if we have the will to do so.

I just don't see how this can be fixed within the framework of politics as usual, IMO it will take some radical measures to undo any meaningful part of the ongoing looting.

[Richard Steele]

9. Personally, I'm investing heavily in torches and pitchforks.

If ya know what I mean.

[nealmhughes]

10. Absolutely: the Iranians got what they wanted, and the AEI, Heritage, etc.

gave us sermons and phoney philosophy to "justify" our/Iran's aims. The oilogarchy (not misspelt) is happy: lots of oil safely guarded with flow restricted and prices high. The BushCo,Inc. "true" agenda was to blow smoke up our collective anuses while tapdancing on top of Iraq, screaming Terror! Terror! Terror! and convincing us that Ari Cohen had it "all figured out." He is the shill, along with Robinson, et al.

All the bodies piled up at the Baghdad morgue is good: it keeps the oil speculators in a tizzy. The bases we are building is fantastic: it keeps the Gulf open.

Saddam made the mistake of Napoleon: dreaming of a huge empire without pseudo-aristocrats, oil bankrolling health, education and defense, bringing the Baathist secular agenda to all the Arab world. Of course, he liked his golden toilet seats as much as the al Sabbahs and House of Saud, but then again, Napoleon felt he deserved a crown from the Pope and to live in a palace in Paris... liberty (from Mullahs, Hashemite and al Sabbahs, etc.), fraternity and "Arab" socialism, i.e., the development of the resources of the Arab World for all Arabs. Unfortunately, his own greed and power hunger robbed him of all political vision he had, as Abu Gharab I was also his favorite place for toruture before they went to the garbage dump.

A little revanche on Iran from Saddam was perfect for the Reagan's Ghost, that is to say, Bush I and II...enter Iranian War. But when he started to do more than gas Kurds and stop playing Stalin instead of Napoleon and regain his Napoleon troup, then the fur flew: the Kuwaits "needed" to be saved from cheap oil...not from a secular republic's invasion.

Conveniently, we had the "Democracy on the March" talking points to set us all straight, courtesy of the Heritage Foundation, Pat Robinson, the AEI, et al. Then return to status quo in the Clinton Years. Then 911 and a chance to get those wonderful bases that Big Oil craved, along with mayhem to keep the prices high while flow was secured...

When has capital ever not trumped philosophy and the pulpit? Not in the Middle East, as we have never met a dictator...je m'ajuste...monarch that we didn't love... They keep the people quiet about stupid Enlightenment ideas and the oil keeping the Chinese factories churning out our trinkets.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

11. I just got home and I am kicking this discussion.

This is a major point, not? This administration was played like no one's been played before.