In response to hawks, read up morans!

[dasmarian]

I invite you to refute my arguments that I leave here. You hawks disgust me in your own ignorance.


There was never, and is still not, any connection between Iraq and 9/11. Most of the terrorists, including OBL, are from Saudi Arabia but had been training in Afghanistan. What action has been taken in SA? None.

The reason we went to war in Iraq was not to kill terrorists. It was not to defend ourselves. It was to topple the Hussein regime and save (insert random ally here) from 'WMDs' which did not exist and which no Iraqi missle could have carried beyond 100 miles anyway. So now both issues are resolved - Hussein gone, no WMDs. Only recently has the quaqmire we find ourselves in in Iraq been respun to be a part of the 'war on terror.' It has been reworked into this convenient excuse by the administration to avoid the obvious point that we are bogged down there and spending millions per day on nothing. There were no terrorists in Iraq before the war. We have created them as a result of it.

In regard to why the OBL led group hates America -- heads up you RW morons who know nothing of history and think that killing is the best solution - here is a lesson: In the Cold War the US and Russia were fighting a surrogate war in Afghanistan against one another. We were supplying arms and cash to OBL and groups just like his to fight against a Russian occupation. How do you think OBL got so good at avoiding capture? We trained him!! He was our buddy!! (He probably got a medal from Reagan for God's sake). We promised those groups unwavering support under the Reagan and Bush 1 regimes if they continued to fight Russia. However, at the end of the Cold War and collapse of communism the need to support these groups was gone. We pulled all support from the 'freedom fighters' of Afghanistan (now known as the 'Evil Taliban') and the Russians easily routed the people we abandoned there. This is why OBL ordered these attacks (20 years later - remember, the anger seethes), in retaliation for the abandonment of the Afghanis we promised to support. It has nothing to do with personal liberties in our country or anywhere else. Heads Up - To say terrorists want to kill Americans because terrorists hate freedom is the most retarded and simplistic pseudo-excuse ever swallowed by a people, imo.

Now: the best way to breed terrorists is this -- poverty. Bombing and killing and ruining countries results in nothing but more poverty. And those people left impoverished by the destruction have nothing left than to fight the people that they see as having done this to them. Want to know why there is terrorism in Iraq now and there wasn't before the war? Because we destroyed the ability for millions of people to get a job, people who had a job and a family before. Now they don't have anything but their anger. It is the same thing that Israel has done to the Palestinians with the crippling the Palestinian economy. These actions have done nothing but foster the creation of terrorist cells. And the answer to those committing these acts? Bomb them some more, leave them even further in poverty. Great Decision!!! We are the sponsors of terrorism by propogating this cycle.

You people that think that a society can be bombed into submission know nothing of history and have only a superficial understanding of human nature and causality. The more countries we bomb, the more likely that we will ensure our own destruction. Not because of an outside attack, but because we will be forced to spend more and more to bomb more and more to repress the people we left in poverty last time we bombed them. And soon, that financial burden will be unsustainable, and our country bankrupt. OBL has said that his goal is to bankrupt the US by involving it in wars abroad that it cannot definitely win. We've fallen for the bait hook, line, and sinker. Half a trillion dollars spent, and nothing to show for it. I remember before 9/11 that the big issue was rescuing Social Security. It was going to take 40 billion, and we didn't know how to raise it. But 1/2 a trillion for war is findable. What a load of horseshit.

So you hawks stand up and applaud your loss of freedoms, your mighty war machine, and in 20 years when you kids and grandkids can no longer travel abroad because it isn't safe and because they make the wages of a third world country, let them know of your unwavering support for 'freedom.'

[razors edge]

1. they all seem to

have their fingers in their ears, blinders secured, and crying in unison- nah, nah, nah, nah i can,t here you. (repeat)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. This is the damn stupidest war I can imagine.

I mean, the Pig War of 1859 was pretty damn stupid, but this tkaes the cake.

Supporters for this war are the damn stupidest people I can imagine.

[EstimatedProphet]

3. They will never hear you

You're talking about a group of people that are shitheels of the worst kind. They spend their lives trying to start fights to prove their manliness, but are rarely brave enough to actually go through with the fight at all, so they will pick fights with people minding thier own business and strut around like they 'won' when the other person backs down. Most of them are terminally drunk. A lot of them have children just so they can have someone to beat up to make them feel strong.