If Clinton doesn't sue and lets this movie just slowly pass into

[IChing]

the nation's consciousness then he is either a fool or a What?

I thought his watching football thing instead of the movie was weak.

I give him until Friday to show some balls again.

[Dora]

1. "Or a what?"

I think the words you're looking for might be "sell out."

[movonne]

13. Just why can't he fight the way he did over his impeachment???

[IChing]

14. Does he care about the truth?

And do We?

I know I do.

[waiting for hope]

2. Huh?

"I thought his watching football thing instead of the movie was weak."....did you expect him to really watch it himself? He's got other people to do that for him. If the choice was between watching a ball game or a POS production making him look bad, well, I think his choice was believable.

[IChing]

5. If there is no lawsuit then I give up on him

How long do his lawyers need? If it was not slander then what was it?
Just asking how long I should wait to hear something more than the letter we saw here on DU

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. "slowly pass into the nation's consciousness."

If anything, the public will have forgotten about it in a week.

[RangerSmith]

6. yep,

no need to keep a non issue in the headlines. This one is over.

[IChing]

10. Bullshit that is how they get away with shit.

You know this film has had mass marketing hype.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Yet some how it was last place in the ratings.

Why do you want to give it even more hype?

There's no such thing as bad publicity, you know.

[EFerrari]

24. LIES need to be challenged. They almost got this bull into our

CLASSROOMS.

LIES need to be challenged, every time.

You can't win if you don't show up to the game.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

4. Clinton Is Part Of Their Club Now....

He's not going to sue. He's not going to say another thing about it.

The damage has already been done. It's in the consciousness of plenty of MORONS and rw wackos. Too late. You can't undo what has been done, and the inference has been planted in their tiny little brains already.

[NYCGirl]

7. It was in the consciousness of morans and wackos BEFORE the movie

was even thought of.

[tularetom]

8. Whattaya mean "again"?

He's never shown any balls. Apologizing to the country for Monica? The "country" didn't give a shit. Remember Tom Tomorrow was referring to him as "the waffle" as far back as 1994 or 5. He's basically a people pleaser, very charismatic, but a total invertebrate. Don't hold yer breath waitin for him to sue or even speak up.

[abluelady]

9. Haven't We Seen That For Years Now

Look at the 2000 and 2004 elections. Mr. Kerry and Mr. Gore surely should have done something. I have reached the point where if something is done, I will probably keel over from a heart attack.

[NYCGirl]

12. And what should Al Gore have done? Shoot the SCOTUS?

“In our system, there’s no intermediate step between a definitive Supreme Court decision and violent revolution.” — Al Gore

http://newyorkmetro.com/news/politics/17065/index2.html

[abluelady]

20. You left out part of the Article

“There may come a time when I speak on that,” Gore says, “but it’s not now; I need more time to frame it carefully if I do.” Gore sighs.

I'm not a political smartie, so I don't know the answer, but if an uprising in the streets was what it would have taken, I would have been in the streets. George Bush is the stain on every blue dress.

[NYCGirl]

27. And of course, back then, we knew what George Bush would do.

:eyes:

Nice to have the luxury of hindsight. I know that most people thought he'd be an ineffectual one termer like his dad.

[abluelady]

28. I Think A Lot Of Us Did n/t

[NYCGirl]

32. Really? How does it feel to be clairvoyant? NT

[abluelady]

35. Scary, actually!

[NYCGirl]

39. Did you see the future when he was governor of Texas or owner of the

baseball team?

[abluelady]

40. No, but those were clues to what was coming.

I'm not always clairvoyant but it does happen. Edited to add: Actually I met his mother once and that was scary!

[Seabiscuit]

33. "George Bush is the stain on every blue dress" - WOW!

I want that as a bumper sticker!

I want it as a t-shirt!

I want some photo-shopping done to illustrate it!

I want it as my mouse-pad!

[abluelady]

34. I Think It's Out There

I don't think I made it up. I'm sure I heard it. How many folks out there would truly get it though, I wonder!

[Seabiscuit]

44. Well, thanks for repeating it. I never heard it before.

I think Bush's hard-core 34% would get it - they're the ones always bitching about Clinton and Lewinsky.

And DU'ers would get it.

As for the rest, who knows?

[Feuerhexe]

11. He's trying to be smart politically,

and besides I doubt he has a case, personally, to sue. American Airlines on the other hand ...

[warrens]

16. Jesus....

Launching a lawsuit is a major decision, very expensive, and you make the judgment with lawyers as to probably outcome. Not what someone on an internet board has to say.

[CBGLuthier]

17. Damn, leave the guy the fuck alone will ya

Hasn't he done enough for us already? Last legitimate president of these united states and all.

Fickle fickle fickle.

I didn't watch the POS movie why should he have? He can pay people to watch shit for him. :-)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. I understand your desire for vengeance

I'm not beyond wanting to use Clinton as a vessel for vengeance either. But I don't think we have squat to threaten him with to get him moving. If I could think of anything that we hold over his head I'd be screaming it out at the top of my lungs right now, trust me.

The last letter we saw made public paved the road for a defamation suit. I don't know why they would even mention the defamation after the first half had aired if they didn't plan to pursue the issue. Doesn't make much sense, but that's not uncommon in the world of politics.

[EFerrari]

19. We can't leave this stuff up to politicians. They have their own agenda.

WE have to do something. WE have to boycott Disney's Mickey Mouse 9/11.

WE need to hand out flyers at their mall stores and picket their parks and remind them every week of the MONEY we are spending elsewhere.

That's the only way to get their attention --- in their WALLETS.

They're giving us a GREAT opportunity to show them they can't use a national tragedy for their twisted purposes. Let's use it!

[IChing]

21. I am but I am listening to Randi and Paul and this is why I wrote this

Now I am so pissed on what was played on national networks that I wrote this rant.

[EFerrari]

23. Well -- for sure the actions aren't mutually exclusive. I wish

I could listen to Paul, too. ;)

Clinton is in a tough spot. Hil has him boxed him because of her races. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[CarlVK]

22. Don't hold your breath

I like the Big Dawg but you know, he's very comfortable right now. On top of that he has this unusually close relationship with Poppy Bush (weird eh?)....and remember, he told a large crowd once that "....we are Eisenhower Republicans."

I really don't expect him to go out of his way.

[SandyPond]

25. What is it with Clinton?

I have been lurking about here on DU for some time now and I had to register to question this. What is it with some of you folks here who love Bill clinton. He has done more to damage our party than is humanly imaginable. He cost us the House of Representatives in 1994, and the presidency in 2000. He continues to be the most selfish Son of a Bitch on the planet. It has always been about him, never about what's good for the party and to advance progressive ideals. It has always to advance himself and his personal fortunes. I just don't get it.

He perpetually lies, even when the truth is not damaging. It's high time that we collectively thew this piece of trash under the bus and moved on to someone who can actually be elected. Clinton's time is over and it will not be us who judges Clinton. That is the property of the future. And no matter who rails about Clinton's legacy, this stupid ass movie Path to 9/11, neither you nor I will be able to effect the judgment of history, now or when we are long since dead.

DU needs to wash their hands of Bill Clinton and let him drown as he did to us when he was President. That should go double for his wife Hillary. We need to move on to someone who is charismatic, intelligent, and isn't covered with the slime that is Clinton. There are plenty of possible people, to supplant Clinton. We need better than that, and we certainly can do better than the Clintons.

I want a divorce from Bill Clinton. He is the kiss of death for any Democrat who goes near him. The Republicans had Nixon, we have Clinton. It was not like Nixon had any say in the party after he was drummed out of office. Which is exactly what we should have insisted be done with Clinton.

With Clinton impeached and removed from office, Al Gore would have had less than two years as President. The 2000 election would not have been the circus it was...Gore would have won BIG. Come 2004, Gore would have beat whoever the Republicans had put up. We could have had a chance to win back the house in 2002 and had coattails in 2004 and this whole question of 2006 would be moot.

Yeah, Thanks Bill Clinton...thanks for nothing.

[Stardust]

26. Well, since you put it THAT way - I have to agree. It's just so

comfortable to hearken back to the Clinton Years, lamenting how he was wronged. But since he couldn't keep his * in his pants for a few years while he held the most powerful position IN THE WORLD, we are paying dearly.

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[EFerrari]

30. Bill Clinton is a politician and this is news to you?

Al Gore did not lose that election. Al Gore was ROBBED.

And to compare Bill Clinton with Richard Nixon is ridiculous. Nixon was a criminal. Bill Clinton is still the most popular president since JFK. *You* throw him away. *I* admire this man who is *still* beloved, warts and all, all around the world.

[SandyPond]

43. Clinton isn't a criminal?

By every reasonable account Gore lost in Florida. You can argue robbed if you like, and if that makes you feel better then fine. But the fact is that Gore lost by a very slim margin by the rules laid out at the beginning. To get into semantical arguments about the electoral college at this stage is just plain pointless. I still believe that it would have been no contest between Bush and Gore in 2000 but for Clinton, and that whole circus was a national embarrassment.

How can you say that Bill Clinton isn't a criminal. The record of his criminal achievements is unparalleled. In 1992 it was Jerry Brown who brought to light the seedy world of Clinton and the extensive criminal activities in Arkansas. The list of persons associated with Clinton who have had their lives ruined by them is mind boggling.

Clinton may very well be popular, so was John Gotti.

We as Democrats need to move beyond this worship of Clinton because in the end I believe that it continues to make us look bad and untrustworthy. The more we defend and love Clinton, the more the political center slides to the right. Since Democrats are going to vote for the party's candidate, and the Republicans are going to vote for their candidate, that leaves the center. The center believes that O.J. Simpson IS guilty and there is no doubt in my mind that Clinton is too.

We have to be better than the Republicans. We have to retake the political center, and by standing by Clinton we are viewed by the center as unscrupulous and weak.

Do you want to win or do you want to feel good? I want to win and I will feel good after winning. The only way we are going to win is to throw Clinton under the bus. If we don't hit him the first time, then we need to back it up to make sure we got rid of him.

[EFerrari]

46. No, the Media Consortium found that Al Gore won Florida.

I don't have to argue the point at all. Even Gore says he took Florida. And you should be extremely concerned about rigged elections given the mountain of evidence that the last two federal ones were stolen.

I don't worship Bill Clinton, thanks. And to compare him, dirty tricks, women and all, with Richard Nixon is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous.

You know you're letting the rabid Right set your agenda when you're ready to throw over the biggest political asset you have.

And, for your information, the "center" doesn't hold the same views as right wing wackjobs.

lol

[SandyPond]

50. They can't cheat if it isn't close

I don't believe in conspiracy theories from either side. I accept that Bush won Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Why you ask? Because there hasn't been anyone to come forward after six years and say, "yep, I did....and that's how we won." I don't believe it and never will. Anyone who asserts that there was fraud is lying for their own purposes. Charges of fraud when unproven, undermine the legitimacy of the entire system. You mention a mountain of evidence. It's a mountain of garbage, all of it unsubstantiated charges. Correlations, which do not prove causation.

I ask you this...let's say the next time it's razor thin and it happens to go our way. The other side charges fraud. What legitimate right do we have to assume power? None, as I see it. We wasted our credibility on specious charges such as the ones you are making. Until you personally can prove positively that there has been voter fraud it would serve the party better to spend your time and energy on more productive pursuits, such as actually winning elections by a margins where there is no doubt about who the winner is.

I'm tired of the Democrat party being hijacked by people who wish to change the rules after we have lost. It's unseemly and make us all look like tin-foil hat wearing fools.

I'm not letting the rabid right set my agenda at all. My embarrassment is what is driving me, and of late I have been feeling embarrassed to admit I'm a democrat. The embarrassment stems from exactly what you have done.Make specious charges without concrete evidence to support those charges.

[Bridget Burke]

52. "Democrat" party? n/t

[Bridget Burke]

51. Do you ever say an unkind word about Republicans?

No, Gore did NOT lose Florida by every reasonable account. Look it up. Many think that "distancing" himself from Clinton & picking Clinton-critic Leiberman as his VP candidate cost him more votes than he gained.

Please list all of Clinton's crimes--aside from fudging the definition of "sexual intercourse."

You seem to regard Clinton as an extreme Leftist. His more sane critics would find that label ridiculous.

Your wish to throw Clinton under the bus would be frightening if it weren't so childish.

[karynnj]

31. Hi Sandypond - Welcome to DU

I agree with everything you said. I second your call for a divorce. I just read most of an article on Clinton in New York magazine - in two different parts of their interview he calls Gore and Kerry loser, unlike him. I assume that he has forgotten that his bad behavior was why Gore chose Lieberman and why he lost. (I literally couldn't finish the article because he was soooooo infuriating.

He also said that Kerry should have called for Bush to debate him on what they did in Vietnam - which Kerry rhetorically did in April when the SBVT first surfaced. I wonder if his efforts to stop the 911 film will break through his overwhelming egotism. He also ignores that many of his allies sat on their hands rather than help Kerry.

He also pats himself on the back about winning - unlike Gore and Kerry - ignoring that he was not beating Bush until Perot imploded after hitting Bush pretty hard. Also Bush 1 had an approval rating about 10 points lower than his son. He had an easier race and he almost lost it.

Bill Clinton does not have half the character or integrity of Al Gore or John Kerry.

[Disturbed]

36. It will be a big surprise if he sues.

He made his point and now he will go back to his projects.

Yeah, he is a people pleaser and damn good at PR for himself and his causes.

[SandyPond]

48. Thank's..It's a pleasure to be with you

[blm]

38. You expected Dems to go along with impeaching a president when he HADN'T

committed a crime of office or a crime against the constitution?

Why on earth should we as a party betray the law and the constitution just as an election angle?

I am as tough on Clinton as anyone - but I stick to REAL FACTS in my criticisms.

[SandyPond]

47. Perjury isn't a Crime?

While it may not be on the same level as murder, last I knew perjury was still a felony. And he committed perjury while IN office.

As you can tell I despise Bill Clinton with every fiber of my being. I hate him worse than any right-winger you can think of. He has been an abject disaster for Democrats. The thought of he or his wife coming close to the oval office, scares me as much as a President Chaney does.

Sure, Bill can raise funds, but what good is money if anyone with whom he associates is political toast. It's not about money it's about winning and Bill hasn't won jack shit since 1996.

Let's not look backward, (and Bill Clinton is the past) we should be looking forward. And forward is purging our party of anyone who was associated with Clinton. The sooner we can expurgate him the better our fortunes will be.

[Bridget Burke]

53. So--which Democrats do you prefer?

This ought to be interesting.

[mnhtnbb]

49. Hey SandyPond, me too. I always thought Bill should have resigned

when he got caught lying to not just Hillary, but his Cabinet, the press, the country. It would have been the honorable thing to do. But no, not Bill! I agree, Al would have had 2 years under his belt as Pres and Bush would haven't been able to buy enough votes to beat him.

And as for Hillary as a candidate for POTUS--forget it.

[bobbolink]

37. "either a fool or...." Complicit?

Would that be the first time?

What happens Friday?

I mean, I fully agree with you, but.. what to do?

[Exiled in America]

41. Give it a rest - the only one making a story out of it is us.

No one watched the damn thing - ratings were tanked. The only reason its even remembered now is because we keep going on and on about it.

I could totally understand if it had huge ratings and significant attention, but it didn't. It flopped. We look so much better totally dismissing it as ludicrous and insignificant than we do getting all riled up about something that most americans didn't even bother to tune in to.

[Justice Is Comin]

42. His legal counsel wrote three letters laying th ground work.

This don't happen overnight. The case needs to be layed out and legally structured in 4 corners foundation.

There is no rush. It's not like they must act precipitously as for an injunction. I want them to take their sweet time and them give them a financial colonic.

[IChing]

45. I hope you are right as I explained I was on a rant

after I hearing the lies and the slander on Randi on AA with our DUer Paul