Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

WASHINGTON (AP) (Raw Story)

http://rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2006%2FUS%2F09%2F12%2Fusaf.weapons.ap%2Findex.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved...



This is for real folks---not from The Onion.

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Then I suppose we should test our nukes on civilians first...

just to make sure they blow shit up and to win the people's approval for using them.

[LynnTheDem]

2. GREAT IDEA!!! Show Americans just why "they" hate us!

Show Americans what's done to others in our name. Maybe then Americans will wake the fuck up to the facts of American "foreign policy" when it's Americans and their babies being maimed, damaged, killed. By Americans.

According to the Marine Times, the VMADS -- called the "people zapper" -- may be capable of inflicting far more than brief discomfort when not used as directed; that is, for no more than three seconds.

"The amount of time the weapon must be trained on an individual to cause permanent damage or death is classified." (In other words, it only takes one 18-year-old recruit with a sick curiosity or a slow watch to turn the thing deadly.)

In 1995, in fact, a military spokesman qualified the concept of "non-lethal" weapons: "It's really less lethal ... because these weapons if improperly used could be lethal."

Marine Col George Fenton, likewise, is on record in the May 2000 National Defense Magazine saying the term "non-lethal ... does not mean that they can't kill or injure."
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2001/03/newshole1.html

Although high-powered microwave weapons are designed to destroy the electronic equipment used by enemy command centers, their effect on humans in the vicinity is less clear.

The U.S. military says HPM weapons are non-lethal, but that doesn't mean free from harm. The U.S Marines Corp. is currently developing a microwave-based weapon that inflicts a brief, intense burning sensation on the target's skin similar to touching a hot light bulb. Mounted on Humvee, the weapon is designed for crowd dispersal. The temperature settings are variable, however, and can be set as high as 130 degrees F.

Given that temperature variability, it's possible that someone in the path of a HPM burst might be cooked like a meal readied by a microwave oven.

Source: Scientific American, February 18, 2003
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-1E51-A98A809EC5880105

What happens to all the people driving vehicles on busy streets when they're "knocked off their feet" during rush-hour by being hit with maximum unbearable pain just because they are within that radius; is it murder when they all crash and die?

Will the US government offer tips on how to deal with and explain to children who are caught within the radius, for example playing on the swings in the playground, when they are suddenly hit with extreme maximum pain out of nowhere? Will they offer suggestions as to how we convince our traumatized and terrorized kids they can safely go outdoors again? Will the US govt pay for the years of counseling for kids traumatized, terrorized, and neurotic, living in fear 24/7 that the pain may suddenly hit them again?

Will pregnant mothers who are within the radius experience such maximum pain that they spontaneously abort be charged with murder as "late-term abortion"?

How about the ill, the elderly, the handi-capped and the infirm; when they are "knocked off their feet" by the maximum pain and fall and break open their heads; will the US govt pay for all funeral arrangements, or if they survive, for all medical and future care treatments?

What happens to those who happen to be walking next to busy streets and are "knocked off their feet" into traffic and run over?

How about high-rise window washers and construction workers? Or crane operators who may happen to be lifting tons-heavy objects when they're hit with this maximum pain & lose control of their cranes; will the US govt pay for all persons & property killed/damaged by being crushed?

What about infants and toddlers who aren't able to "flee" from the pain and are "cooked like a microwave meal"?

And this of course is assuming the WMT operator has a very accurate watch, knows EXACTLY the number of seconds before the "maximum pain" becomes death, isn't distracted for even 1 second, and isn't overly curious and/or a psychopath who wants to see what happens if the gun goes on for just another few seconds longer...

But sure...do it to Americans first, so America realizes what's done to others in our names.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

3. I believe I've read somewhere the microwave weapon...

...pictured is supposed to give a burst sufficient to superheat the water molecules in the outer layers of your skin---I'm going from memory here, not 100% certain. What would it do to someones eyes? I say we test it on the good Air Force Secretary, Mr. Wynne.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

4. "Given that temperature variability...

... it's possible that someone in the path of a HPM burst might be cooked like a meal readied by a microwave oven."

Doctors in Palestine know what this weapon can do to people.

[WCGreen]

5. Crowds like Klan rallies....

Yea right...

They will be using them outside of the Republican convention...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

6. I believe they're anticipating massive citizen unrest...

...in response either to the next wave of stolen elections or something else they're planning to do. They want us to know ahead of time that gatherings in protest and demonstrations in the U.S. are going to become a thing of the past---one way or the other.

[Lars39]

8. My vote is the *cancellation* of elections,

possibly after another 'Pearl Harbor' event.
Heck, they may decide to skip the event if they think they've got us contained and confused enough.

[Junkdrawer]

13. Here's a scenario...

There's a dirty bomb terror attack tied to al Qaeda/Hezbollah. Iran is blamed and the country heads for "WWII mode" - there's a draft.

But a number of Americans cry "bullshit" and, faced with military service in Iraq/Iran, the campuses erupt. The 9/11 Truth movement spreads like wildfire in the nation's engineering/physics departments. Cries of Impeachment grow deafening.

[lonestarnot]

16. That's a scenario alright.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

The scenario you describe or some variation of it...

...is not only possible but, I think, quite likely.

[Xenotime]

7. * will keep one at the top of the washington monument...

then if there is a protest he doesn't like, "Flip it on!"

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

10. You may posit that in gest...

...but once they've tested and refined this technology, permanent outdoor installations will likely become common---first outside government buildings and military installations, then corporate America will be greenlighted to use it for their private "security needs."

[lonestarnot]

18. If they are immobile, what is to stop their destruction?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

39. I would imagine the stationary installations will...

...be designed with surrounding protective fortification of some kind---maybe like a pill box protected machine gun nest from WWII. I'm just guessing on this, I really don't know what protection they'll have, but I can't see them being easy to get at and destroy.

[Hugin]

9. What? Did they run out of monkeys?

I figured they'd be using them here before anywhere else... After all we paid for it.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. Oh, they've still got the monkey...

[Generic Other]

12. They death rayed their own citizens!

Time for American insurgents to rise up and be counted.

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[Junkdrawer]

15. We have a winner...Ugliest screed ever...n/t

:wow:

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[Hugin]

20. Hmm... Why is it I've never seen 'liberal faggots' defacing RW sites?

Loser!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

24. Welcome to DU!!!!

[Junkdrawer]

28. You should think about your mother before you post things like that George

Mrs Bush would be so upset.

[Hugin]

19. Here we have a fine example of... Freepus Moranicus.

Crikey!

They're deadlier than an angry dust bunny.

[lonestarnot]

21. Crikey is right.

"Morans" will never get a clue will they... just hopeless as shit on a stick.

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[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. Enjoy your stay.

[Hugin]

26. You first... You seem to know what you're doing.

I like to watch.

[Generic Other]

31. Are you in Iraq yet, son?

Or do you just fight for your country from your mom's basement?

[scorpiogirl]

35. Of course not... he could never pass the psyche exam n/t

[Sugar Smack]

36. Look, everyone, it's an asshole!

Hi, asshole! :hi:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

23. Man you aren't kidding!

I usually don't catch these before they are deleted, but I managed to this time.

And the really scary thing? This "person" is a "christian".

Jesus, save me from your followers. :(

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[Hugin]

29. No, obviously you aren't.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

30. Hey MODS!

What is this piece of shit still doing here, huh?

GIVE'EM THE DAMN BOOT!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

32. Whale shit? That's a new one...

...Well I think you're a porpoise poopy, so there!

[lonestarnot]

34. You fucking skank breathed pet fucking fetished piece of shit!

Go home and beat yourself and get the fuck off our board!

[Generic Other]

37. Ha! No one beats Lonestarnot for A-1 All-American cursing

:patriot:

[lonestarnot]

38. Tee hee.

:patriot:

[BlooInBloo]

33. LOL! You should stop skipping 4th period.

Damn kids - little monsters they are....

[bobthedrummer]

40. Of course it's for real-so is the history of the "research and development

of the nonlethals and directed energy weapons, this r&d history includes non-consensual human experimentation on US citizens and all kinds of other subjects once ridiculed as "tinfoil".

These "new" technologies target the human mind and central nervous system.
http://www.mindjustice.org/